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New Acropolis Museum highlights missing marbles (RETURN THEM NOW!)
Associated Press ^ | 6-19-09 | ELENA BECATOROS

Posted on 06/19/2009 11:14:41 AM PDT by eleni121

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To: AnAmericanMother

Go to the new museum and see the sulptures lord elgin was not fast enough to take. The polish and smoothness are pristine like they were carved yesterday.


81 posted on 06/21/2009 6:32:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
Laches does not depend on current demand at all. In fact, the whole point of laches is that current demand comes too late.

Once you open the door to demands for property on the basis of claims that come a couple of centuries after the fact, all sorts of uncomfortable things will begin to happen.

The Indian lack of concept of property law goes directly to the issue of fraud -- they were defrauded because they didn't understand what they were agreeing to. If laches is tossed out because of passing objections at the time (and there were always objections from somebody from the time of Bartolomeo de las Casas to the present day) then you are going to find yourself unable to sell or borrow on your house because of various Indian claims (meritorious or otherwise - it doesn't matter if they slap a lis pendens on your place).

82 posted on 06/21/2009 6:35:33 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: longtermmemmory
Carved yesterday? You mean like this?


83 posted on 06/21/2009 6:39:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: eleni121

I was stationed in Crete in 1993. It was one of the best places I’d ever been to. The people were very nice, the beaches were gorgeous and the food was fabulous!! I would live there if I knew the language and could find a job. I spent all my off-duty time in Chania, sightseeing, shopping and lounging in the cafes.


84 posted on 06/21/2009 6:56:10 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

It is unfortunte how difficult it is for talented people like you to live and work in Greece. But you should not give up the dream. Being “Greek” is not just an ethnicity—it’s a whole philosophy of life.


85 posted on 06/21/2009 8:27:34 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: eleni121

Thank you, for your kind words.


86 posted on 06/21/2009 9:36:42 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: longtermmemmory

Elgin and the Brits are nothing but bloody pirate vandals.


87 posted on 06/21/2009 10:54:32 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: AnAmericanMother; longtermmemmory; All
And the local administrator figured he suckered Elgin over a pile of damaged rock.


NO no no -—the local TYRANTS - the Muslim Turks knew quite well the ethnic pride and value of the Greek pagan patrimony to the subjugated Greek people and -—the Parthenon was converted to a mosque, and the Erechtheion functioned as a harem.

Briefly
Later stored gunpowder and ammunition there to ward off any possible attacks from Europeans. In 1687 the Venetians aimed badly hitting the ammo and the Parthenon which was quite intact until then was seriously damaged. The explosion blew apart the long sides of the Parthenon, and the ensuing fire that lasted for two days left the building in the skeletal state we see today.

88 posted on 06/21/2009 11:16:22 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: jpsb; Kolokotronis; longtermmemmory

NO your comments are actually very PC.

Most DNA studies show that Greeks today are identical to the Greeks of the ancient era. Brits are not fit to lick the boots of Greeks in terms of what they have offered the world.

as for restoring — you cannot restore a Hill - the Acropolis is a hill. You must be referring to the Parthenon-—I am no archaelogist but I suspect that restoration of ancient ruins is a contoversial topic. One might reinforce and brace the ruins but restoring is another matter. Lots of loonies like Evana ( another Brit) have tried doing that in the past-— at Knossos he caused large areas of the Palace to be rebuilt in reinforced concrete, ending up with a complex of modernist pseudo-ruins that stand today as a monument to the questionable taste of his artists and architects.


89 posted on 06/21/2009 11:36:14 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: GunRunner

Went to Santorini and Mykonos 2 years ago....we were late in arriving in Athens by 2 days. I highly suggest travel insurance. Missed seeing everything in Athens....but you will LOVE Santorini! Best Wishes, too!


90 posted on 06/21/2009 11:43:20 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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To: mwilli20
Mykonos is a beautiful island but as Eleni pointed out, it’s full of people that have a different sexual preference than yours... and boy do they flaunt it!

I took my teenaged daughters and motherinlaw to Mykonos....or should I say she took us. We stayed at a beautiful family owned hotel above town. I saw very few gays about....none at out hotel...lots of families and college kids. We went to town to eat early by local standards and left back to the hotel. I understand that kind of action took place on the other side of town. I loved the town, the restaurants and the place that we stayed. I HIGHLY recommend it Vencia

91 posted on 06/21/2009 11:56:09 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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To: eleni121

“Most DNA studies show that Greeks today are identical to the Greeks of the ancient era.”

Most especially, as is well known, in our part of the Patrida, Eleni mou!

“Brits are not fit to lick the boots of Greeks in terms of what they have offered the world.”

And as they become more and more Mohammedanized they sink even lower than their drunken, loutish, pasty-faced personna has already reduced them.


92 posted on 06/21/2009 12:06:59 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The American Indians could wind up taking your nice suburban house and lot away from you.


I’m not worried....The way this country is going many of us will welcome the opportunity to live with the Native People if they take us... rather than giving up our rights to the socialists in washington


93 posted on 06/21/2009 3:30:10 PM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The doctrine presumes you have done nothing.

The greeks have been consistent throughtout the years.

It is akin to the current cases of adoption where the adopting parents look to sabotage the claim of a natural parent by prolonging their physical possession of the child. The courts have always frowned on this type of gamesmanship.

Besides there are parlamentary records going back over the decades where the Greeks have demanded the sulptures and the demand was refused.

The fact of the matter is that based on current treaties there is movement in returning stolen antiquities to their rightful homes. The fear of hundreds of claims is specious because we are talking about moving from one museum to another. In this case moving from a controversial outdated museum to one of the most modern up to date museums at an appropriate location for study.

The law on this issue is fairly well developed. Seriously look up the Kanakaria Mosaics case and see how it should be handled.


94 posted on 06/22/2009 9:31:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
If the parties by treaty can come to an agreement in light of the growing trend to return antiquities to their source, that's fine.

And that's the way to go, because otherwise some pretty cataclysmic changes are going to take place in the law of laches, and a few slick lawyers are going to get VERY rich. Seriously, if continuing sporadic protests (as opposed to actual legal action) are enough to allow an allegation of fraud to survive indefinitely, then various tribes of Indians have a pretty good claim to most of the continental United States.

And I'm sure the World Court would enjoy very much throwing U.S. property ownership into total chaos.

95 posted on 06/22/2009 9:54:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Kolokotronis
No doubt. The world is in desperate need of DNA like the kind these fellows had...
96 posted on 06/24/2009 4:32:44 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: eleni121
Δικος μας Παππους, Ελενι μου!
97 posted on 06/24/2009 5:32:13 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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