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Before the Battle (Iranian Citizens Preparing to March to Their Deaths Tomorrow)
Atlantic Magazine ^ | 19 Jun 2009 04:34 pm | Andrew Sullivan & unnamed Iranian blogger

Posted on 06/19/2009 2:01:27 PM PDT by lewisglad

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To: mad_as_he$$

>Meanwhile in the US our government strips our freedoms daily and we riot because the Lakers won.<

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We ceased to be one nation a long time ago when we became a heterogeneous society. Iran, with all its problems, is still very much a united country and will survive long after the US and Europe. Iranians still believe in an Iran.

One cannot say that about the US where there are plenty of jihadists (and more coming in) and large groups who have no intention to assimilate but rather change the country to resemble the one they just left. Then there are those who downright hate this country and want it destroyed.


51 posted on 06/19/2009 3:18:47 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: humblegunner
Better they arm themselves and blow away the mullahs.

Interesting observation. Apparently the armchair warriors of FR, when faced with a REAL revolution, prefer Obama's plan. Do nothing.....

52 posted on 06/19/2009 3:21:39 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Youaskedforit

You are beginning to see the light of what Iran, the Middle East and Islam is all about.


54 posted on 06/19/2009 3:24:28 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Tallguy

Hi Tallguy,

I hope you’re right. I once participated in an Iranian student protest for democracy and was shocked to see how all the different factions were fanatical and even physically violent. It’s that damned Islamic ethos that seems to REQUIRE oppression.


55 posted on 06/19/2009 3:26:23 PM PDT by Youaskedforit
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To: lewisglad

We look at these people and are in awe at their bravery. How many of us would be as brave? Well, speaking for myself, I would rather die than live in an Islamic hell-hole. They probably feel the same way.


56 posted on 06/19/2009 3:27:25 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: humblegunner
Please point to a target & workable plan locally. Otherwise, shut your ass up.

Return to your fetal position....tuff boy. I have no use for defeatists, such as yourself.

57 posted on 06/19/2009 3:28:48 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: ScreamingFist
Whatever you say, Twatley.

I'll go out and blow away the local constable.

That'll do a lot of good, right?

Learn some history, learn some strategy and then come crawling back.

Tie a green rag around your head in the meantime.

58 posted on 06/19/2009 3:33:22 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
I'll go out and blow away the local constable. That'll do a lot of good, right?

I believe they are blowing away the Basiji, which are the personal militia of the Supreme Ruler. But don't let facts get in the way of your "They're all dead" rant. Try to grow a pair...

59 posted on 06/19/2009 3:37:43 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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So, lets hope they can have a revolution, then they need to pay back the butchers who have terrorized them all these years.

The first one they need to get is this thug that the Imams call a Judge, named Haji Rezai, who murdered 16 year old Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh.
60 posted on 06/19/2009 3:40:34 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: layman

Its like watching a live time Les Miserable unfolding on CNN & FOX.


61 posted on 06/19/2009 3:40:39 PM PDT by lewisglad
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To: omega4179
Maybe the events in Iran will pecipitate a "two fer" in favor of Freedom.

Sure is interesting that Obama and his running dog lackeys are unable to do anything but dither. I dobt cowardice extends much beyond Gates.

62 posted on 06/19/2009 3:42:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lewisglad

posted on a leftwing site no less.


63 posted on 06/19/2009 3:44:01 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: omega4179

God bless ‘em - they should have done this when GWB was still in the WH.


64 posted on 06/19/2009 3:57:43 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Their blood has sparked the Iranian torch of freedom. May it burn brightly and fiercely and burn away the abuses of the Mullahs. These people are giving their lives for freedom and many will face the horrors of rape centers and starvation camps. The dead will be the lucky ones. They know this, yet they will march anyway. May the people rise with them and sweep away the tyranny of the Mullahs and their henchmen. Let freedom ring! How many of us would do the same? Who knows? We may face such a thing in our own land soon enough. How many will march knowing it means death of worse than death imprisonment? May Allah the compassionate grant them victory and comfort those who fall, ushering their souls into the seventh heaven promised to those who die as true martyrs.


65 posted on 06/19/2009 4:44:54 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Youaskedforit
Seriously, could you get anymore bigoted?

They shout “Allah Akbar” from the rooftops because the regime that oppresses them now used the very same tactic 30 years ago when it seized power.

They are spitting in the theocracy's eye and calling for it's downfall.

66 posted on 06/19/2009 4:58:47 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (She is our Joan of Arc and we are her Guardian Captains.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

...Liberty or death, it is a good day to die...

...Semper Fi, hurah!!!


67 posted on 06/19/2009 5:08:31 PM PDT by gargoyle (...66.7% , A good round number...)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

Hello Blue State Insurgent,

I am not bigoted. That they want to tear down something awful and unsuccessful is clear. What is not clear is what they WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH.

So I see it as some well deserved mob frenzy, but not as a true liberation movement of democratically minded people. I think a lot of foreigners are “reading” what they like into this rebellion and thinking of it in western terms. We hate the nutjob and so anybody fighting the nutjob is good. I’m okay with that, but I have serious doubts that it’s about democracy or the end of female oppression, not with those people howling Allahu Akbar from the rooftops. I see it as a fiery mix of highly dissatisfied people. Should they be so lucky as to bring down that regime, I’ll bet you that civil war will ensue with today’s allies killing each other off until the next strongman comes along.

Democracy and Islam don’t mix. They’ll go on being nasty to women, developing nukes, hating Israel, lopping off hands and lapidating lovers. As a matter of fact, I find it OMINOUS that chants of freedom and chants of Allahu Akbar are being combined. Should they be successful, I see more Islamic green revolutions rising in which the young will try to get rid of the old in the name of some vague la-di-dah freedom.

Put it this way. There were two great revolutions, the American and the French. The American revolution made the USA, legality, stability, reasonableness. The French revolution led to a reign of terror.

My hackles tell me that an Iranian revolution will lead to terror. I hope for them that they get a more benevolent despot, but - should they be successful - I don’t see democracy being the upshot.

My view is that we westerners don’t know what’s up, because not even the Iranians do. They have facebook and twitter and SMS and satellite dishes... they have the communications, but they don’t have a unifying ideal beyond tearing down the regime. Is their leader REALLY their leader in an ideological sense or just a momentary excuse for all the different groups?

If Mousawi (sp) is their leader, well check out his record. He’s a Nutjob Light. If he’s just an excuse, then - should they bring down the regime, there will be a civil war.


68 posted on 06/19/2009 5:37:11 PM PDT by Youaskedforit
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To: Youaskedforit
There were two great revolutions, the American and the French.

The French Revolution led to the Reign of Terror. From Wikipedia.

The Reign of Terror (5 September 1793 – 27 July 1794), also known as the The Terror (French: la Terreur) was a period of violence that occurred fifty months after the onset of the French Revolution, incited by conflict between rival political factions, the Girondins and the Jacobins, and marked by mass executions of "enemies of the revolution."

Nothing great about the Jacobins. There were the first modern leftist cabal. You might want to read a little about the September Massacres.

69 posted on 06/19/2009 5:58:32 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: lewisglad
So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to the Arabs and the Mongols but did not surrender to despotism.

Wow.

70 posted on 06/19/2009 6:03:48 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

That may be just one of the contingency plans. Bush is/was smarter than he looks.


71 posted on 06/19/2009 6:19:36 PM PDT by Texas resident (Texan by birth and by choice.)
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To: Youaskedforit

You nailed it. It is so refreshing to see an accurate assessment of the situation. I am tearing my hair out at the dewey-eyed sentimentalism on this thread. These Iranians are cut from the same cloth as the mobs that took over our Embassy in 1979 and paraded around our crashed helicopters and the bodies of US servicemen. Don’t mind the backlash you may get here, you are 100% right.


72 posted on 06/19/2009 6:27:15 PM PDT by 6323cd (Loyal Oppostion My Ass)
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To: Youaskedforit

Not sure who you are, but I know what you are, and that’s all that matters.

I think you are possibly the only one here that understands the true nature of what is going on in Iran, and how idiotic our “Congress” is to favor riots and destruction of property as a proper method of “political” protest, which is no different than the same kinds of riots in France, Germany, Belgium, and Scandinavia. How come they did not protest those governments “repressing” those riots... I mean demonstrations? They were done by the same kind of people (Muslims) for the same reason (to have things their way.)”

If anyone thinks these riots are about freedom, thy have no idea what freedom is or what Islam is.

Appreciated your post.

Hank


73 posted on 06/19/2009 7:43:00 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Youaskedforit
Again, you are misunderstanding the intent of shouting Allah-o Akbar from the roof tops. They are mocking the slogan that regime's own revolution used 30 years ago - taking it back as their own the and using it to usurp religious and political authority from the hypocritical tyrant.

What could being more frighting for the dictatorship then to now hear the very words they shouted 30 years ago to bring down a regime echoing in the streets?

Islam and democracy don't mix you say? Well, the Iraqis and now the Iranians beg to differ, don't they?

74 posted on 06/19/2009 7:43:05 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (OY IRAN)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

“They are mocking the slogan that regime’s own revolution used 30 years ago”

You know this how? You’ve spent how much time in Iran? Your knowledge of Islamists is from where?

Hank


75 posted on 06/19/2009 7:54:03 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Former MSM Viewer
Christian prayers for fellow human beings of the world who just want to live free

Yes, and there's a surprising number of bold Christian Iranians in those crowds, I've been keeping up with them through Voice of the Martyrs, may God bless and protect them and raise them up during these trying times.

76 posted on 06/19/2009 8:03:40 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Hank Kerchief
I know this because they said so, that's how. It's not the islamists who are doing the shouting now. This time around the cries of “God is Great” are instead putting fear in the hearts of islamists. Cool, huh?

The Iranians are pulling off the ultimate Freep. Can't you just root for them like the rest of us?

77 posted on 06/19/2009 8:22:35 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (OY IRAN)
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To: lewisglad

Outside of the US military, I’ve never seen a people so brave, so selfless, so willing to fight to the death and go out in public when they know they could be shot, all to overthrow an evil regime and fight for freedom.

Prayers for the Iranians. Tomorrow will be a momentous day over there.


78 posted on 06/19/2009 8:26:33 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: lewisglad
This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children…” - an Iranian blogger, with more courage than most of us will ever know.

I will pray for the safety of this young person - and all the other brave Iranian people.

79 posted on 06/19/2009 8:34:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (...those who make non-violent revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.- JFK (Iran))
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To: lewisglad

I see that there are quite a few of us here that are not happy with Obama’s response, but I don’t really see what Obama can “do” right now besides say what he said. Is it possible that our government is appearing publicly neutral while at the same time helping the opposition in the background in ways that we don’t know about? It just seems like there’s only so much we can do, really.


80 posted on 06/19/2009 9:12:51 PM PDT by Floratina
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To: Texas resident

fYou are right, Iran was a part of Bush’s strategy: After
Iraq, Iran was next.


81 posted on 06/19/2009 10:11:15 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

“It’s not the islamists who are doing the shouting now.”

“Can’t you just root for them like the rest of us?”

Root for them if you like, that’s what freedom of speech is.

I do not believe any Muslim. They are taught to lie to us infidels. Iran is not my country, it is none of my business how it is run, or who runs it, and it is no one else’s business either.

Iran is not a threat to the U.S. It is only a threat to those who meddle in its affairs.

I do not see any difference in the riots in Iran, which is what burning busses, cars, morocycles and destroying property is, than those in Paris or Malmo—just Muslims doing what Muslims do.

Hank


82 posted on 06/20/2009 5:35:55 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: stockpirate

True.


83 posted on 06/20/2009 6:13:18 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: tflabo

Our B-2 Spirits from Whiteman AFB, MO, equipped with 30klb MOP bunker busters (escorted by F-22 Raptors) would bomb the important hardened underground facilities while the visible ones would be taken out by Israeli F-15Is and F-16Is.


84 posted on 06/20/2009 6:13:18 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: lewisglad

And finally demand an impeachment from the congressmen.

Oh wait, they were bought and paid for.


85 posted on 06/20/2009 6:13:18 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: Tallguy

Iranian Anti-Islamic Revolution!


86 posted on 06/20/2009 6:13:18 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: humblegunner

Yes, all hail Gob.
lol


87 posted on 06/20/2009 7:12:13 AM PDT by stockpirate (The 2nd amendment protects all other rights as outlined in our constitution. Without it we fall.)
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