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Legislature to debate allowing Arizonans to carry concealed weapons without a permit
Sierra Vista Herald ^ | 19 June 2009 | Howard Fischer

Posted on 06/19/2009 7:44:53 PM PDT by greatdefender

PHOENIX — Are you 18? Not convicted of a crime?

Legislation set for debate today would let you carry a concealed weapon without having to bother with the background check, training and proficiency test now required.

Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said she believes all Arizonans should have the right to defend themselves. Allen, who does have a state-issued permit to carry a concealed gun, said she does not believe that makes gun owners any safer.

More to the point, she said the law makes Arizonans less safe.

Allen’s proposal, SB 1270, does not do away with the concealed weapon permits. In fact, it actually would give those who do decide to get those permits the right to carry their guns into places now off limits, ranging from school campuses in certain circumstances to various public events and buildings — including, as the measure is now worded, the public gallery of the state Senate.

Her proposal drew alarm from Attorney General Terry Goddard along with a handful of police chiefs and sheriffs.

“This bill would made a radical and very dangerous change in state law,” Goddard said at a Thursday press conference. “It would put our law enforcement officers at significant increased risk.”

(Excerpt) Read more at svherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; arizonans; armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; concealed; concealedcarry; gun; permit; rkba; sierravista; weapons

1 posted on 06/19/2009 7:44:53 PM PDT by greatdefender
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To: greatdefender

Those that really really want to already do.

No laws regarding background checks or training effect them in any way.


2 posted on 06/19/2009 7:49:35 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (When they came for GM I did nothing because I was not a car dealer....)
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To: greatdefender

“This bill would made a radical and very dangerous change in state law,” Goddard said at a Thursday press conference. “It would put our law enforcement officers at significant increased risk.”

I really don’t understand the logic in this statement, those who pose a significant threat to LE are already carrying guns as it is and 99% are most likely convicted felony already barred from guns by law.


3 posted on 06/19/2009 7:49:52 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: greatdefender

I like the idea.

I love Sierra Vista, have been there many times. Traveled there every other week for years. Nice friendly folks. Beware of the drivers on the 1 long main street. Some are airplane pilots, and move.

Would love for Texas to have such a law. We are very pro gun anyway.


4 posted on 06/19/2009 7:50:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: greatdefender
Her proposal drew alarm from Attorney General Terry Goddard along with a handful of police chiefs and sheriffs.

“This bill would made a radical and very dangerous change in state law,” Goddard said at a Thursday press conference. “It would put our law enforcement officers at significant increased risk.”

The unmitigated arrogance of some members of law enforcement. They believe only they are smart enough to handle firearms.

NOTE: I don't believe most members of law enforcement are anti-RKBA.

5 posted on 06/19/2009 7:52:25 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: greatdefender

That’s the way it should be across the nation.


6 posted on 06/19/2009 7:53:03 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: greatdefender

Good for Arizona. Criminals do already.


7 posted on 06/19/2009 7:53:51 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: greatdefender

That’s the way it should be.


8 posted on 06/19/2009 7:58:08 PM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: Repeal 16-17
NOTE: I don't believe most members of law enforcement are anti-RKBA.

I have a good friend who is a Superior Court Judge, he tells me that many cops are anti RKBA.

9 posted on 06/19/2009 8:01:30 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: greatdefender

This only makes sense.

If you can legally own a gun, you should be able to carry it, and would qualify for a permit in most states anyway. Why in the hell should you need a permit?


10 posted on 06/19/2009 8:06:31 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

And all the bad guys already carry without a permit. Give the good guys a fighting chance. Nothing in the 2nd amendment requires a permit or license.


11 posted on 06/19/2009 8:12:40 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: c-b 1
I have a good friend who is a Superior Court Judge, he tells me that many cops are anti RKBA.

Does your friend believe most of them are anti-RKBA?

12 posted on 06/19/2009 8:14:45 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: doc1019

Very true on both counts!


13 posted on 06/19/2009 8:15:25 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: greatdefender

““This bill would made a radical and very dangerous change in state law,” Goddard said at a Thursday press conference. “It would put our law enforcement officers at significant increased risk.””

Someone must have pushed that chap’s Bravo Sierra button.


14 posted on 06/19/2009 8:17:57 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: greatdefender

How do law abiding citizens that exercise their 2nd Amendment rights put police at risk?

They damn well don’t. They are the same people with or without their weapons.

I wish to God they’d ask the people who say this point blank that question.


15 posted on 06/19/2009 8:21:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Repeal 16-17

“They believe only they are smart enough to handle firearms.”

That is a delusion common among LEO’s. From that Drug Enforcement chappie who shot himself in the foot in front of a class in a Miami school during a “Aren’t We Coply” talk, to far too many of the rank and file LEO’s, shooting skills are all too often just enough to pass department qualifications.

That’s not much, in most departments.


16 posted on 06/19/2009 8:21:27 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

It aint’ much to pass a concealed carry test either. I don’t know why they even have those silly tests.

My dad just got his first concealed carry permit. He’s OLD! Apparently he was the star performer in the shooting aspect of the course. but then he was a pistol champion on the army pistol team when he was a kid. It was a two man team and they chose only the two best shooters on the whole base...my dad and a gray haired old alcoholic sargant that couldn’t miss even when he tried...that’s the story dad tells anyway. Supposedly the old sarge had the shakes pretty bad, but as soon as his hands touched a firearm, they steadied like a surgeon’s hands.


17 posted on 06/19/2009 8:34:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“It would put our law enforcement officers at significant increased risk.”

Only if they go messing with innocent civilians.


18 posted on 06/19/2009 8:36:02 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't blame Bush anymore)
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To: greatdefender

Yesssss! [ fist pump ] Constitutional rights recognized without submitting a DNA sample and asking permission first. What a concept!


19 posted on 06/19/2009 8:38:00 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Repeal 16-17

The dumb ones that don’t even know themselves how to handle a gun are anti. The smart ones know better than to utter such idiocy.

You will find plenty of dumb ones in the big cities where race/gender quotas, union favoritism/nepotism, and other such big government corruption runs rampant.

I got a buddy that’s a cop and votes democrat. His wife wouldn’t allow firearms in their home before he became a cop. He had to sell all of his guns to me right after they got married. I asked him about his views of private citizens owning guns after he got hired on the force, years ago. he said “we can’t be everywhere, people got to be able to handle it themselves til we get there”.

That’s all I needed to hear.


20 posted on 06/19/2009 8:44:30 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: greatdefender

Well, the crooks are already carrying without permits. Why not the rest of us?


21 posted on 06/19/2009 8:46:11 PM PDT by GOPJ (...those who make non-violent revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.- JFK (Iran))
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To: greatdefender
Her proposal drew alarm from Attorney General Terry Goddard along with a handful of police chiefs and sheriffs. Because, just like the other libs, Goddard understands that government knows best how to manage the day to day affairs of your life; your job is to shut up and fork over your money so they can hire more libs to govern you even more thoroughly. Will no one rid us of these freedom-sucking lib parasites?
22 posted on 06/19/2009 9:13:16 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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We don’t need a permit here in Alaska. I do have one for those times when I travel to the states. Despite all the hand wringing it hasn’t become the wild west.

All states should follow this example.

BTW, Sarah signed the law allowing anyone to carry w/o a permit.


23 posted on 06/19/2009 9:16:38 PM PDT by white17x
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To: mamelukesabre
You will find plenty of dumb ones in the big cities where race/gender quotas, union favoritism/nepotism, and other such big government corruption runs rampant.

Exactly!

24 posted on 06/19/2009 9:23:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Texas Fossil

Not as progun as Vermont...


25 posted on 06/19/2009 9:58:49 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: donmeaker

Yep, Vermont and Alaska have this law and must be among the lowest crime states.


26 posted on 06/19/2009 10:23:57 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: white17x

By “anyone”, does that mean that when I go to Alaska, I can walk into a shop and purchase a firearm after a simple criminal records check, or do I have a few other hoops to jump through as a foriegn national?


27 posted on 06/19/2009 10:30:37 PM PDT by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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To: Repeal 16-17

As I remember it he didn’t say most, he said a lot of them are anti-gun.


28 posted on 06/19/2009 10:58:39 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: c-b 1

OK, no one asked so I will. What the hell is RKBA???


29 posted on 06/20/2009 12:24:56 AM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (This is not a free ride. Become a monthly donor like me.)
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To: Peacekeeper357

Right to Keep and Bear Arms


30 posted on 06/20/2009 12:57:58 AM PDT by deks
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To: c-b 1

I have a good friend who is a Superior Court Judge, he tells me that many cops are anti RKBA.


Government unionist thugs are generally opposed to anything that cuts into their economic turf by making their services less necessary.


31 posted on 06/20/2009 6:08:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: greatdefender

That is progress.


32 posted on 06/20/2009 3:18:45 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: mamelukesabre
You will find plenty of dumb ones in the big cities where race/gender quotas, union favoritism/nepotism, and other such big government corruption runs rampant.

That is just one of the ways government creates class distinctions through privilege.

33 posted on 06/20/2009 3:21:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Texas Fossil

Works in Vermont and Alaska .....Texas should have same freedom.

BTW. Texas DPS is six months backlogged on CHL permits. Renew EARLY !!


34 posted on 06/20/2009 3:42:45 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: deks

Thanks, I figured it out after the post but thanks again for your reply.


35 posted on 06/20/2009 8:59:07 PM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (This is not a free ride. Become a monthly donor like me.)
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To: Peacekeeper357

You’re welcome. I once had to ask what BDS was :-)


36 posted on 06/20/2009 9:49:33 PM PDT by deks
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