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GAO Reports On Arms Trafficking In Mexico
NRAILA ^ | 06/20/09 | staff

Posted on 06/20/2009 6:51:27 AM PDT by epow

The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report this week entitled, "Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges."

Among other things, the report asserts that Mexican officials consider illicit firearms the number one crime problem affecting their country's security; that about 87 percent of firearms seized in Mexico and traced by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) in the last five years originated in the United States; and that these firearms are increasingly more powerful and lethal, including "high-caliber and high-powered" AK-47 and AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles. The report further contends that the country's law enforcement agencies are insufficiently organized, and that Mexico has a history of corruption at the federal, state and local levels.

With regard to the "87 percent" statistic, the report's figures make clear that BATFE only traces a fraction of the guns seized. Those firearms are not selected randomly, but are likely selected because they are the guns most likely to have come from the U.S. Trace data reveals nothing about the large number of guns that are not traced.

The report also states "According to U.S. and Mexican government officials, these firearms have been increasingly more powerful and lethal in recent years. For example, many of these firearms are high-caliber and high-powered, such as AK and AR-15 type semiautomatic rifles." The report, however, states that about 25 percent of firearms traced were of that type, which works out to only eight percent of all firearms seized. Also, the report does not indicate what percentage of murde

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antigun; banglist; cartel; firearms; mexico; wod
Biased report by GOA. They only used the data that was favorable to the Obama agenda for destroying our RKBA. As long as Obama is in office all we will see in reports on Mexican drug cartels like this one will be lies and "studies" that are nothing more than data carefully edited and massaged to make American firearms owners look like criminals.
1 posted on 06/20/2009 6:51:28 AM PDT by epow
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To: epow

Another analysis indicated 7,000 out of about 30,000 guns were “traced.” Hardly a conclusive report.


2 posted on 06/20/2009 6:57:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: epow

87% of those tracked by the BATF. I’m surprised that its no 100% given the Mexicans only contact them concerning weapons that have U.S. import markings or manufacture data on them.

Sort of like saying that 87% of the cars used in a crime that Florida asked Georgia to trace originated in Georgia.


3 posted on 06/20/2009 6:58:13 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: epow

Why should Mexican drug lords bother with moving guns from the U.S. to Mexico when they can simply use their own drug routes with less expense and less risk?

4 posted on 06/20/2009 7:01:19 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: epow
"high-caliber and high-powered" AK-47 and AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles.

High-caliber? High-powered? Are these different from AR-15 semi-autos I know about? 5.56 mm isn't exactly an elephant gun round.

5 posted on 06/20/2009 7:02:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Chrysler and GM are what Marx meant by the means of production.)
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To: epow

More,,,,,

In Border States, BATFE Asks: “May We See Your Guns?”

Friday, June 19, 2009

NRA-ILA has recently received several calls from NRA members in border states who have been visited or called by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. In some cases, agents have asked to enter these people’s homes, and requested serial numbers of all firearms the members possess.
In each case, the agents were making inquiries based on the number of firearms these NRA members had recently bought, and in some cases the agents said they were asking because the members had bought types of guns that are frequently recovered in Mexico.
This kind of questioning may or may not be part of a legitimate criminal investigation. For example, when BATFE traces a gun seized after use in a crime, manufacturers’ and dealers’ records will normally lead to the first retail buyer of that gun, and investigators will have to interview the buyer to find out how the gun ended up in criminal hands. But in other cases, the questioning may simply be based on information in dealers’ records, with agents trying to “profile” potentially suspicious purchases.
On the other hand, some of the agents have used heavy-handed tactics. One reportedly demanded that a gun owner return home early from a business trip, while another threatened to “report” an NRA member as “refusing to cooperate.” That kind of behavior is outrageous and unprofessional.
Whether agents act appropriately or not, concerned gun owners should remember that all constitutional protections apply. Answering questions in this type of investigation is generally an individual choice. Most importantly, there are only a few relatively rare exceptions to the general Fourth Amendment requirement that law enforcement officials need a warrant to enter a home without the residents’ consent. There is nothing wrong with politely, but firmly, asserting your rights.
If BATFE contacts you and you have any question about how to respond, you may want to consult a local attorney. NRA members may also call NRA-ILA’s Office of Legislative Counsel at (703) 267-1161 for further information. Whether contacting a local attorney or NRA, be sure to provide as many details as possible, including the date, time, and location, agent’s name, and specific questions asked.


6 posted on 06/20/2009 7:04:18 AM PDT by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: epow

Oh please. Some MExican drug gang is going to get all of their arms by soliciting an American grandma to buy a rifle. A typical Hussein-type report. Make the Messiah happy or re-figure the statistics until you do!


7 posted on 06/20/2009 7:17:38 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: bravotu
A simple, "show me your warrant", should suffice.

But of course this means they are keeping records of that which they are not supposed to keep records of. Unless they are acting strictly on the multiple purchase reports, and this does not sound like that. After all, very few folks go in and buy 10 ARs or AKs at a whack.

8 posted on 06/20/2009 8:13:50 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: epow

“... these firearms are increasingly more powerful and lethal, including “high-caliber and high-powered” AK-47 and AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles....”

How are they able to obtain them, from whom??


9 posted on 06/20/2009 8:15:58 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: epow

Bump for later reading.


10 posted on 06/20/2009 8:24:49 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: epow

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal’s after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called ‘Operation Wetback’. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took 2 Years, but they deported them!

Now...if they could deport the illegal’s back then - they could surely do it today!


11 posted on 06/20/2009 8:32:30 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: epow

Can somebody please answer a simple question for me?

The price of a “real” AK-47, capable of fully automatic fire, is actually lower on the world market, than the semi-auto only versions sold in the US. I presume it’s the same for M-16s, since they would be coming, in bulk, directly from government warehouses. It’s not like there’s any reason for the drug cartels to avoid importing weapons from illegal sources!

Why in the world would criminals buy semi-auto only guns from “legal” channels in the US, since they’re more expensive, and could lead to “problems?”

It just doesn’t make any sense at all, and I want to call “Shenanigans!”

Mark


12 posted on 06/20/2009 9:02:40 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: epow
Who is watching the watchers?

Report: US not doing enough against gun smuggling

WASHINGTON — Two federal agencies are being faulted for not coordinating their efforts against border gunrunners, a failure one lawmaker says made it easier for Mexican drug cartels to smuggle illegal weapons from the United States.

-snip-

• ATF did not tell ICE about a covert operation where ATF agents delivered weapons across the border in an attempt to ferret out the Mexican organizations receiving illegal arms.

ATF should have notified ICE about the controlled attempt to export weapons illegally, the GAO said. Lack of coordination raised the chances that the weapons could end up in the wrong hands.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_go_co/us_drug_war_guns

13 posted on 06/20/2009 9:11:44 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: MarkL
"Why in the world would criminals buy semi-auto only guns from “legal” channels in the US..."

I'd bet that the 17% or so of firearms seized in mexico and traced to US origins came from individual citizens who had someone 'import' them for protection. I'd back that bet with another saying that virtually 100% of the semi-automatic only "M16" and "AK47" style rifles seized in mexico fall into that group.

The bad guys can buy full auto and untraceable weapons in bulk and, since their business is illegal import and export to begin with, have no trouble getting them to their ground troops. Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, will have to rely on relatives in the US, small time smugglers, and wildly inflated price tags to get anything at all for personal protection.

14 posted on 06/20/2009 9:50:19 AM PDT by norton
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Now...if they could deport the illegal’s back then - they could surely do it today!

Of course "they" could, if "they" wanted to but "they" don't. One group of "theys" who don't want illegals deported is the Democrat party, which is eagerly looking forward to millions of new Hispanic immigrants voting illegally for Democrats in future elections. Nationwide, over 60% of legally registered Hispanics vote Democrat, and the percentage is much higher in states where most Hispanics are of Mexican extraction.

Another major reason illegals are not deported is that businesses and industry love the cheap labor they provide. They contribute heavily to members of Congress and the Senate who vote against and work against any legislation that would mandate deporting illegals and stopping more illegals from entering.

15 posted on 06/20/2009 11:21:05 AM PDT by epow ("Never take counsel of your fears" .....General Thomas "Stonewall " Jackson)
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To: MarkL
Why in the world would criminals buy semi-auto only guns from “legal” channels in the US, since they’re more expensive, and could lead to “problems?”

I know a native Liberian who married an American woman and now lives part time in the US. In the aftermath of the fairly recent Liberian civil war the normal going price for a used but serviceable full auto AK-47 on the Monrovia black market is, or was recently, $50.

I don't know what a FULL auto AK smuggled in from Africa sells for in Mexico, but I'm pretty sure it would be far less than what a SEMI-auto AK or Bushmaster smuggled from the US would go for. A Mexican drug runner would be a fool to pay up to $1000 or more for a semiauto AK or AR smuggled in from the US if he can get the original full auto version for far less.

16 posted on 06/20/2009 12:28:07 PM PDT by epow ("Never take counsel of your fears" .....General Thomas "Stonewall " Jackson)
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To: bravotu
In Border States, BATFE Asks: “May We See Your Guns?”

Thanks for posting that. I just read it in my nra-ila news. Going to people's houses? This is just plain scary. IMHO, You should post it as an article. People need to know.

17 posted on 06/20/2009 4:47:56 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: bravotu
"BATFE Asks: “May We See Your Guns?”

My response: "May I see your warrant?"

18 posted on 06/20/2009 4:52:28 PM PDT by Czar ((Still Fed Up to the Teeth with Washington))
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To: KarlInOhio
" 5.56 mm isn't exactly an elephant gun round. "

.22 caliber to be obviously clear...

I'll gladly let the idiots who use those terms shoot my .223 -- and then shoot my old British SMLE (.303) carbine -- with steel buttplate. That should give them some perspective... '-)

19 posted on 06/20/2009 6:06:27 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA
and then shoot my old British SMLE (.303) carbine

I had an old WWI era Smellie myself many years ago when they were sold at Sears for $9.95. The full length rifle didn't kick too bad, but the WWII era so-called Jungle Carbine that my friend bought kicked like a mule. It must have been the odd shaped buttstock that magnified the felt recoil because I have fired many modern rifles since then that are quite a bit more powerful but don't kick as much. Or at least you don't feel the recoil as much as you do with the old Smellies and 03 Springfields.

20 posted on 06/21/2009 7:43:20 AM PDT by epow ("Never take counsel of your fears" .....General Thomas "Stonewall " Jackson)
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To: epow
It is the difference in weight that increases the felt recoil. My uncle gave me a SMLE that someone had "sporterized" by removing all the bayonet-mounting hardware and by cutting the stock back to what is usual on hunting rifles. That entailed eliminating at least one barrel band -- and, then they used a scraper to thin the wood down to a more sleek thickness.

Compared to a mil-spec SMLE, the "sporter" really hammers you with sharp, hard recoil. The first time I fired it was from a bench that was too high for me, and after the third round, I was, literally, nauseated. That's the only weapon that has ever shocked me like that...

I'm in the process of eliminating the steel buttplate, shortening the buttstock and adding a recoil pad -- but for extensive shooting, I'll probably still want a "Sorbothane" pad in my shooting jacket...

The SMLE Jungle Carbine will remain a collector's piece. The combination of fierce recoil and muzzle blast takes all the fun out of shooting it...

By contrast, "#2 Son" demonstrates the light recoil of the .223 AR-15 by shooting it with the buttplate on his chin, instead of his shoulder. (But I'd like to watch him do that with my S-I-L's M4 in 6.5 Grendel!) ;-)

21 posted on 06/21/2009 11:02:44 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: epow

BTTT!


22 posted on 06/22/2009 8:38:15 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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