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Statement Opposing Resolution on Iran
House.gov ^ | 06/19/2009 | Ron Paul

Posted on 06/20/2009 2:43:51 PM PDT by GoldStandard

I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about “condemning” the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.

Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama’s cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.

I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; dumberthandirt; headinsand; idiot; idiotalert; iran; isolationist; paul; retard; ronpaul; stpauligirls; stuckonstupid; transcript
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1 posted on 06/20/2009 2:43:51 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: GoldStandard
It is statements like this is why Ron Paul's presidential run was such a joke.

He's a ignorant fool. Good riddance to him as prez material.

2 posted on 06/20/2009 2:48:30 PM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: GoldStandard

Good article. But in this case, we KNOW what the tyrant was doing.


3 posted on 06/20/2009 2:49:25 PM PDT by Republic (Jedem das Seinesc)
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To: MaestroLC

I don’t really like Ron Paul but, other than the shout out to Clinton, I pretty much agree with him.


4 posted on 06/20/2009 2:51:06 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: GoldStandard
Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership?

This was, I think, the best point he made in the statement.

5 posted on 06/20/2009 2:56:06 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Have you risen above your own public education today?)
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To: GoldStandard
"I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran."

Really? Rep. Paul, two words: Fox News.

6 posted on 06/20/2009 2:56:17 PM PDT by MaxSD
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To: GOP_Raider

Well, that’s not entirely true. The main difference is that Saudi Arabia is an ally for all intents and purposes so we’d probably be shooting ourselves in the foot by condemning the lack of elections (sham or otherwise) in Saudi Arabia.

Yes, I’m pretty much aware of the fact that I probably just contradicted myself. So there.


7 posted on 06/20/2009 2:59:40 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Have you risen above your own public education today?)
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To: GoldStandard

Historic relativism is as condemnable as moral relativism. Has Ron ever heard the phrase: “Strike while the iron is hot?” No…and you see why Ron is irrelevant and doesn’t get anything down.

By Ron’s gauge, how many years of prefect consistency in foreign policy will be required before we might take a stance against the worst of the worst thuggery...20, 50, 100 years? 1000 years?


8 posted on 06/20/2009 3:00:06 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: GoldStandard
Every once in a while, I think maybe Ron Paul has a few points, maybe isn't a complete lunatic, but then comes a statement like this, and I am reminded: He is an idiot.
9 posted on 06/20/2009 3:02:41 PM PDT by omniscient (No birth certificate - no peace)
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To: Fitzy_888

and L. Ron Paul voted against condemning ahmadinejad when he spoke in NY.

I guess a dictator who wants America destroyed, Israel wiped off the map, denies the holocaust, and responsible
for thousands of deaths is just another guy who should have free speech.

L Ron Paul is a demagog and his supporters are delusional.


10 posted on 06/20/2009 3:28:18 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: GoldStandard

What a joke he is. Anyone who can look at the video of that woman getting shot, and find no ability to say it was evil, is nothing but a joke.


11 posted on 06/20/2009 3:33:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: GoldStandard
I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation had a right to inter-meddle in the internal concerns of another; and that, if this country could, consistent with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace. George Washington – Letter to James Monroe, August 25, 1796

Another "idiot" I presume. Enough with the name calling. You may not agree with Ron Paul, but he is reasoned and principled in his arguments.

12 posted on 06/20/2009 3:48:39 PM PDT by Emo4SC (Disclaimer: All thoughts expressed here are not my own, but merely what I've been told by Talk Radio)
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To: Emo4SC

No, I’d say he’s an idiot. But 95% of the population pretty much knew that already.


13 posted on 06/20/2009 4:28:20 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Are you in a union job? I'm sorry to hear that.)
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To: GoldStandard

Ron Paul would have fit in perfectly with the isolationist crowd of 1940.


14 posted on 06/20/2009 5:13:18 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Captain Kirk; Gondring; ...

Ron Paul Ping


15 posted on 06/20/2009 5:34:46 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: GoldStandard
I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity.

God bless Dr. Paul...now that is REAL change that we can believe in!

16 posted on 06/20/2009 6:24:54 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: MaestroLC

So you don’t have a problem w/ us sticking our nose into the affairs of other nations?

Answer me this question (if you can): would you be upset if China, Russia, etc. condemned us for the outcome of the 2000 election? Would you tell them to “shut up...it’s none of your business!”, or would you have stood up & cheered?


17 posted on 06/20/2009 6:28:18 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: MaxSD
...two words: Fox News.

W/ Fox News being all Iran all the time, I wonder what's going on in D.C. that they're NOT telling us about....kinda like that song "Things Goin' On" by Kynyrd Skynyrd.

18 posted on 06/20/2009 6:32:33 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: M. Espinola
Ron Paul would have fit in perfectly with the isolationist crowd of 1940.

You got a problem w/ that??? Hell, Pearl Harbor, our entry into WWII, & dropping the A-bomb might never have happened had we listened to the advice of "Mr. Republican" Sen. Robert Taft (R-OH).

19 posted on 06/20/2009 6:36:53 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Emo4SC
Re: Washington's letter to Monroe, please remember that he was just another dead, slave-owning white male that lived over 200 years ago. His writings are completely irrelevant to our day & age. Besides, he sounds too much like Ron Paul to have any merit. < /sarc>
20 posted on 06/20/2009 6:44:37 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Fitzy_888; SoCalPol; omniscient

And just WHOSE interests was Dr. Paul elected to represent? And (allegedly) whose interests was the Pres__ent hired to represent?

Oh, that’s right... AMERICAN interests. I realize that Obambi only represents American interests when it suits his socialist agenda, but Dr. Paul is quite correct when he asserts that it is none of our OFFICIAL business what is happening in Iran. While we, on this forum, as PRIVATE CITIZENS, are fully free to express our opinions, our support for the dissidents and our loathing of the regime in Tehran, our GOVERNMENT is supposed to be looking out for these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not sticking its nose into the internal affairs of another nation, not for ANY reason. And, as someone mentioned, it is totally hypocritical to want to condemn one nation whilst ignoring even worse behavior in another, just because it supposedly supports us (even as it exports the Wahhabism brand of evil islam, which is so anti-American it should make your eyes water. Dr. Paul is correct and he is properly representing his employers, the Americans who elected him to office.


21 posted on 06/20/2009 6:54:30 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: djsherin; ChrisInAR; GoldStandard
Paul's views unpopular here as usual.

I must admit that beyond reporting it I don't know of anything the US government can do here of any good. You cant help wonder if the democracy in Iraq is fueling this(many Iranians are jealous of Iraqis) , but we don't know what the outcome will be, good or bad.

Imagine this ending like the Berlin Wall falling in 1989 a year after Reagan, that could actually (partially) redeem the GWB disaster. The media would never admit it. just a thought I had watching the news today.

22 posted on 06/20/2009 6:58:50 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: dcwusmc
Dr. Paul is correct and he is properly representing his employers, the Americans who elected him to office.

od bless you! I hope that Emo4SC doesn't mind if I snag & re-print that statement by George Washington (THANK YOU Emo!):

I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation had a right to inter-meddle in the internal concerns of another; and that, if this country could, consistent with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace. George Washington – Letter to James Monroe, August 25, 1796

23 posted on 06/20/2009 7:01:32 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: dcwusmc

Dream on, happy wishful thinking


24 posted on 06/20/2009 7:04:23 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: GOP_Raider; dcwusmc; ChrisInAR; bamahead; djsherin
The main difference is that Saudi Arabia is an ally for all intents and purposes so we’d probably be shooting ourselves in the foot by condemning the lack of elections (sham or otherwise) in Saudi Arabia.

What kind of ally permits fifteen of its citizens to commit mass homicide by slamming hijacked civilian jets into office buildings?

Suggesting that Saudi Arabia is our ally is like suggesting that the RINOs are conservatives' best friends.

25 posted on 06/20/2009 7:06:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: ChrisInAR

Nice quote, but Iran has been the cause behind terrorism that has killed Americans from Teheran to Beirut to Baghdad for over 30 years. They are the nexus of Islamic terrorism.

They have meddled with us.

It is time they were paid back, especially for the IEDs and weapons that have taken the lives of hundreds of our servicemen in Iraq.

And that, George Washington would not only agree with, but he would act upon it.


26 posted on 06/20/2009 7:13:49 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: exit82
They have meddled with us.

Only because we have been meddling w/ them...whether it be putting The Shah into power back in the 50's or 60's, putting our military bases on what Muslims consider to be holy soil, having our Marines in Beirut, our involvement in Iraq (@ least twice that we know of), & who knows what else. Had we taken George Washington's advice decades ago, we wouldn't have had to deal w/ what we have now.

27 posted on 06/20/2009 7:31:50 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ChrisInAR

Muslims consider all their soil to be holy. Big deal.

Islam is not a religion, it is a political death cult.

Muslims are offended by the very act of breathing by infidels like us.

And who has the US fought the wars of the last 20 years on behalf of?

Oh yeah, Muslims—freed Kuwait, freed the Kurds, freed Iraq, freed Afghanistan—twice—once from the Russians and once from the Taliban. And help the Kosovans and Bosnians.

The US and the Muslims go back a long way, since before 1805. They meddled with us first.

We need to meddle with them last.


28 posted on 06/20/2009 7:39:48 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: exit82
And who has the US fought the wars of the last 20 years on behalf of?

It doesn't matter....our military needs to be used to defend the United States, rather than fighting wars all over the world for other folks in the name of (BS) "democracy". Can you tell me where the Constitution gives the feds the power to police the world?

29 posted on 06/20/2009 7:51:15 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: exit82; ChrisInAR
It is time they were paid back, especially for the IEDs and weapons that have taken the lives of hundreds of our servicemen in Iraq.

Actually, this is a legitimate point. Interfering in a lawful war makes one a belligerent nation. And, IMO, the acts of the Iranian state with regard to the Iraq war are considered acts of war against the United States. Furthermore, by any standard set forth, the assault on the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in the 1970s was an act of war, too.

30 posted on 06/20/2009 7:56:35 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: GoldStandard
Red letter day, I completely agree with Ron.
31 posted on 06/20/2009 7:59:19 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: ChrisInAR
Chris, you just argued in a big circle.

We are in Iraq to defend the United States". I said Iran has been complicit in killing American soldiers in Iraq, and is responsible for terroristic acts that have killed Americans for over thirty years.

You argued that the Muzzies are justified in hating us, going back to the Shah of Iran and the coup in 1953.

I countered that Muzzies hate us because we are breathing and there is no pleasing them, in spite of the blood and treasure we have expended on Muslim countries in the last 20 years.

The Constitution does not say we are to be the world's supercop.

But in Afghanistan and Iraq, we are there to defend the US against terrorism.

And Iran is the nexus of that terrorism.

Knock off their leadership and the world instantly becomes a better place.

For the US.

32 posted on 06/20/2009 8:00:10 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: exit82

Saying we are in Iraq to defend the US is an absolute joke. it’s a LIE. We halped create the foundation for today’s problems in Iran by meddling in their affairs decades ago.


33 posted on 06/20/2009 8:02:46 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: GoldStandard
“There are those who will say that the liberation of humanity, the freedom of man and mind is nothing but a dream. They are right. It is the American Dream.” - Archibald MacLeish
34 posted on 06/20/2009 8:04:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO = "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: ChrisInAR
Saying we are in Iraq to defend the US is an absolute joke. it’s a LIE. We halped create the foundation for today’s problems in Iran by meddling in their affairs decades ago.

I don't lie, Chris.

And I don't joke about the deaths of 4500 of my countrymen dying to protect your butt and mine.

The sickness that is Islam existed long before there was a US, or before we "meddled" in their affairs.

We could have been the greatest benefactors to Iran in decades past, and these mullahs would still consider us the Great Satan.

The only absolute joke I see is your understanding of the world you live in.

35 posted on 06/20/2009 8:08:14 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: exit82

All I know is what the Constitution says...& have read the words of the Founding Fathers re: how our federal government should act. Our nation has drastically changed not only what it thinks the Constitution says, but also its attitudes concerning what the Founders wanted for us. We have failed miserably in continuing their legacy.


36 posted on 06/20/2009 8:13:31 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ChrisInAR

Your post 36, I agree with. Our ruling class in DC takes an oath to uphold the Constitution, and then ignores it.

But that is a separate issue from what we are discussing.

Your post 32 needs an edit from you. I cannot let that statement stand unchallenged.


37 posted on 06/20/2009 8:19:28 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: GoldStandard
This fellow questions his own elective office's authority to consider judgments concerning foreign affairs.

Is that close to what he said?

This is the genius who was supposed to bring succor to our fallen system?

38 posted on 06/20/2009 8:22:02 PM PDT by Radix (This Tag Line no verb.)
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To: ChrisInAR

Have you ever even read a book in your life?


39 posted on 06/20/2009 8:25:37 PM PDT by Radix (This Tag Line no verb.)
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To: Radix
This fellow questions his own elective office's authority to consider judgments concerning foreign affairs.

He is questioning whether or not Congress has the authority to make such judgments in the 1st place -- which, if you read what George Washington said in Emo4SC's post #12 (& my re-post on #23), they are inconsistent w/ ea other.

40 posted on 06/20/2009 8:32:00 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Radix

No...I’m completely illiterate. My dog is doing the typing for me.


41 posted on 06/20/2009 8:34:03 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ChrisInAR

Smart dog. Want to sell it?


42 posted on 06/20/2009 8:37:37 PM PDT by Radix (This Tag Line no verb.)
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To: Radix

Then how will I get the news? I don’t have a TV.


43 posted on 06/20/2009 8:40:59 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: ChrisInAR
I am not impressed with Ron Paul. Never have been.

In fact there are few in this world who do impress me regardless of their station.

I think that it is cowardice indeed for elected officials to not take stands that are discernable.

If you believe that this fellow Ron Paul deserves more than a cursory review, then you ought to make a better presentation than what is in your profile and posts.

44 posted on 06/20/2009 8:43:18 PM PDT by Radix (This Tag Line no verb.)
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To: Radix
I have no prob w/ them taking stands individually. I think they should all speak out, & I'm sure he does too. But using Congressional power to make statements (which the Constitution doesn't permit it to do, as far as I can tell) rather than attend to The People's Business is a total waste of time, hot air, & $. It will only make things worse than they are right now.
45 posted on 06/20/2009 8:49:03 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: dcwusmc

“what is happening in Iran”

What exactly is happening in Iran?

Because frankly, the only information that we are getting about Iran comes from the establishment media and the federal government.

I find it interesting that just as we were starting to talk about socializing X% of the Republic’s GDP through (more) unconstitutional federal intrusion in health care, all of a sudden we are plastered with wall to wall news about the national elections in a third world country. For what purpose? This is all a nice big distraction as the current administration takes over car companies, interferes with private contracts, puts just about everyone with a conservative or traditionalist view on a watch list, devalues the currency, goes after the 2A etc.

BTW...what about our electronic voting systems? Are they secure?


46 posted on 06/20/2009 8:49:44 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: djsherin

Once again Ron Paul gets it right. Meaningless resolutions are do gooder feel gooder exercises which amount to nada.

Too bad Americans don’t have the courage of some Iranians. Our last Presidential election was stolen without so much as a whimper. Part voter fraud , part count fraud, part precinct fraud, and govt supported ACORN fraud all contributed to a marxist being elected.

So what are we arguing about? We’re arguing about who supports or doesn’t support the voters of Iran.

We deserve everything Obama stiffs us with.


47 posted on 06/20/2009 8:52:20 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: SecAmndmt

That IS a good question. I suppose it could well help cover up something much more sinister... and you KNOW our voting machines are not secure... never have been.

Makes for interesting contemplation!


48 posted on 06/20/2009 9:55:37 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: takenoprisoner

WE, here, can properly argue that... But our “leaders” should not be... They need to tend to the LEGITIMATE business of AMERICA.


49 posted on 06/20/2009 9:58:34 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
No, I’d say he’s an idiot.

I'd say name-calling is pretty pathetic. I doubt if you ran for office and had your every word and thought scrutinized a thousand times over, most wouldn't think of you as a genius frankly.

50 posted on 06/21/2009 2:22:19 AM PDT by GoldStandard
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