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Minn. lawmaker vows not to complete Census(worth a repost)
Washington Times by way of Drudge ^ | Wednesday, June 17, 2009 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/20/2009 4:17:26 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy

EXCLUSIVE:

Outspoken Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann says she's so worried that information from next year's national census will be abused that she will refuse to fill out anything more than the number of people in her household.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acorn; census; resist
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2275143/posts

just say no....

1 posted on 06/20/2009 4:17:26 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy
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To: hatfieldmccoy
All I'm going to give is the number of people in the house.
That's all I'm required to give. So that's all they'll get.
2 posted on 06/20/2009 4:23:05 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)...Ayatollah of GlennBeckistan... keep it goin' brother...(o)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

I am kind of surprised that a federal official would say that she won’t fully answer all census questions. But I agree with her that this ACORN takeover of the census is wrong. I wish something could be done about that.

We all know what is going to happen. ACORN will over estimate a bit here and there how many people live on the South Side of Chicago, East LA, Harlem, etc. They will use the statistical sampling to up the numbers of people officially reported by the census in favored regions.

Politically, it could add electoral votes to states such as New York, Illinois, and Calif, all of which are big states which expect to vote for Obama again in 2012.

Some gov’t activity should be non-political, and the census is definitely one of those.


3 posted on 06/20/2009 4:30:32 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ThreePuttinDude

When the Census people come to my house I’m going to tell them that whatever Obama said when they asked for his proof of Birth Certificate..........that’s what I say also about your Census.

When I see Obama’s Birth Certificate - I’ll answer your questions ...........until then .......Please get off my property.


4 posted on 06/20/2009 4:36:07 PM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

When the Census people come to my house I’m going to tell them that whatever Obama said when they asked for his proof of Birth Certificate..........that’s what I say also about your Census.

When I see Obama’s Birth Certificate - I’ll answer your questions ...........until then .......Please get off my property.


5 posted on 06/20/2009 4:36:15 PM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: EnglishOnly

We’ve never had census takers come to our house.


6 posted on 06/20/2009 4:48:04 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: ThreePuttinDude

That’s what I wanted to do also, but a lawyer on our local talker said that there’s some law that unless you answer ALL questions on a census form you can be fined $5,000 so I looked it up on www.census.gov.

Do I have to answer the ACS questions?

Yes. Response to this survey is required by law (Section 221 of Title 13). Respondents are required to answer all questions on the ACS to the best of their ability. Your answers are very important because they represent the answers of many other similar households in your community. The data that you and others provide in response to this survey are required to manage or evaluate federal and state government programs. If you submit an incomplete form or provide data that are unclear, the Census Bureau may contact you by phone or in person to obtain or clarify the missing information.

Then they go on to say:

What are the penalties if I do not respond to the survey?

Both Title 13 and Title 18, United States Code, provide for monetary penalties for failure to respond. Title 18, U.S.C., Section 3551, et seq., the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, establishes uniform penalties for all federal crimes. Title 13 U.S.C., Section 221, makes it a misdemeanor to refuse or willfully neglect to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers and imposes a fine of not more than $100. This fine is changed by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 from $100 to not more than $5,000. The Census Bureau is not a prosecuting agency. Failure to provide information is not likely to result in a fine. The Census Bureau staff work to achieve cooperation and high response rates by helping the public understand that responding to the ACS is a matter of civic responsibility, and prefers to encourage participation in this manner rather than prosecution.

Yeah, I just BET dumb0 won’t take the chance to collect yet more $$$ for the gov’t.


7 posted on 06/20/2009 4:50:10 PM PDT by leapfrog0202
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To: leapfrog0202

I gotta tell you I’m damn tired of the expanding Federal Government rectal exam. I’m telling the Census what is Constitutionally required. My next call is to Levin’s law firm.


8 posted on 06/20/2009 4:55:23 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (The Obama beat down of America continues)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

I did this in 1990 when they sent me the long form of the census to fill out. I filled out only the information necessary for the allocation of votes for my area which is the basis for the census in the constitution.

I got a call at work from one of the nicest people I ever talked to who informed me that I didn’t fill out my census form. I told him that I filled out that portion of the form that satisfied the intent of the census, and that, respectfully, that was all I was going to fill out. I told him that I was prepared for the possible consequences of refusing to fill out questions like what kind of movies I went to see and the like. I asked him why the census bureau was asking these kinds of questions. He said the purpose was that if they got more money from Congress, this information would tell them where to apply it. I asked him what his party affiliation was, given what he was saying. Bet I don’t have to tell you what his answer was.

We talked for about 10 minutes after that about things. In the end, he said he kind of agreed with my position on the purpose of the census. I wonder to this day if I won one over!


9 posted on 06/20/2009 4:57:25 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: leapfrog0202

Hey,what about an OMB#?Does the census form have one?


10 posted on 06/20/2009 4:57:46 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: hatfieldmccoy

That’s all the info I’m giving too.

And God help ACORN if they come to my house w/o a warrant and a SWAT team.


11 posted on 06/20/2009 5:04:18 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: leapfrog0202

No-one has ever been successfully prosecuted for non-compliance. I’m willing to be a test case if Odumbass wants to try.


12 posted on 06/20/2009 5:07:16 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader, then Barack Obama is Jar-Jar Binks!")
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To: leapfrog0202

No-one has ever been successfully prosecuted for non-compliance. I’m willing to be a test case if Odumbass wants to try.


13 posted on 06/20/2009 5:07:20 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader, then Barack Obama is Jar-Jar Binks!")
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To: ThreePuttinDude

just say no to the census bump.


14 posted on 06/20/2009 5:09:18 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: leapfrog0202
This sounds like IRS voluntary compliance.We have a serious government problem folks.They don't seem to understand who's paying the bills for their neglect of office”treason in layman's terms”.They really think this is a free for all and anything goes!Fleece the public they say because we got more suckers on the way.
15 posted on 06/20/2009 5:11:39 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: Slings and Arrows

No-one has ever been successfully prosecuted for non-compliance. I’m willing to be a test case if Odumbass wants to try.
____________________________________________________________

I didn’t know that. I’ll maybe give it a try too!


16 posted on 06/20/2009 5:17:53 PM PDT by leapfrog0202
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To: hatfieldmccoy

I did mine over the phone. Every answer that did not pertain to the number of people living in my household was answered by “decline”. The lady on the other end of the phone did her best to wriggle some info from me but did not get much. When I protested some of the questions SHE was the one who said I had the option to “decline” an answer.


17 posted on 06/20/2009 5:24:36 PM PDT by MGBGUN (Freedom is not free.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
refusing to fill out questions like what kind of movies I went to see and the like.

WTH? How does that apply to anything? It's odd, but I have never spoke to a census worker or received a census form in my life (and I'm many decades old). I wonder how I got under the radar.

18 posted on 06/20/2009 5:27:27 PM PDT by DejaJude
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To: BARLF

Neither myself. I will be a rude exchange when/if it happens.


19 posted on 06/20/2009 5:42:10 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: hatfieldmccoy

Name, Address, City, State, Zip - everything else NOYFB.

The number of people in my house is on my 1040.


20 posted on 06/20/2009 5:45:34 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: All
Headline?

New low- to mid-level terrorist threat identified
2010 ACS Non-responders Threaten Census
Agents will "visit" compounds of people not completing 2010 American Community Survey, White House said.

21 posted on 06/20/2009 6:33:33 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Are they already asking the questions door to door? I heard a guy on the local radio say a nut from ACORN gave hime something saying he was required to answer all questions, yet the ACORN nut had already filled everything out before going to the house.


22 posted on 06/20/2009 6:40:33 PM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: BARLF

We had a young Crow tribe Indian gal come around and she was so timid. She was asking me where everyone lived and looking accross the river at hillside cabins she wanted to know how many people were up there.Too scared to travel down the trails to get there. She did not ask for race, age, nothing but simple numbers of residents.


23 posted on 06/20/2009 6:49:00 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: liberty or death
nothing but simple numbers of residents.

That's all they will get from me.

24 posted on 06/20/2009 6:53:17 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF

I like it! Perhaps everyone should tell them to (respectfully, shove it.) What they gonna do then. In my part of the woods people are pretty peeved with the Fed Gov.


25 posted on 06/20/2009 7:00:18 PM PDT by JamesA (He who hesitates is lost.)
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To: JamesA

If a census taker comes to my door (they never have) my first question will be ,”Are you from ACORN?”


26 posted on 06/20/2009 7:08:00 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: leapfrog0202

When the questioning moves away from the # of people at our address, thats when
I tell them “Whoa, stop right there, I’m through with ya’”


27 posted on 06/20/2009 7:48:15 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)...Ayatollah of GlennBeckistan... keep it goin' brother...(o)
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To: EnglishOnly

I won’t say, “Please”. And I’ll back it up if need be...


28 posted on 06/20/2009 8:07:43 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: hatfieldmccoy

If you are threatened with fines or legal action by a census taker by phone or in person use this:

“Since you have threatened legal action, I respectfully decline to answer this question based on my 5th amendment protection against self-incrimination due to the possibility that my responses might be used against me in a court of law.”

Repeat for each question asked.


29 posted on 06/20/2009 9:22:59 PM PDT by HomeAlone
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To: HomeAlone

I would bet even money that the AORN community organizer bosses will instruct their most loyal field reps on how to fill in any forms where the household contacted doesn’t want togive more than the number of persons living in the residence ... fabrication for exquisite effect is ACORN’s modus operendi don’tchaknow.


30 posted on 06/20/2009 9:28:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I don’t doubt it at all. The purpose is to redistrict with bias. Getting GPS data makes it easy to draw boundary lines once the demographics are plotted against the GPS data.

In the 2000 census they asked the next door neighbor for info when I refused any more than number of residents.


31 posted on 06/20/2009 9:39:06 PM PDT by HomeAlone
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