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U.S. Navy Hangs Back in Persian Gulf as Questions Mount About Defecting Iranian Revolutionary Guard
Fox news ^ | June 22, 2009 | Katherine Herridge

Posted on 06/22/2009 10:35:07 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard are showing "discontent" and some are "contemplating the contingency" of defying the regime in the wake of last week's disputed election, the former crown prince of Iran contended Monday.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Defense is "on edge" over the turmoil in Iran, and has directed U.S. naval assets in the Persian Gulf to be, in layman's terms, in "non-incident mode."

U.S. military commanders are said to have been instructed to be alert to any possibility of a clash with Iranian naval assets, and to position themselves in such a way as to diminish the ability of Iran to stage an incident, however small, that could be used to rally the support of the Iranian people to the regime and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose backers are accused of voter fraud in the national election 10 days ago.

A Defense Department official told FOX News that U.S. Central Command has sent a message to all Navy service members in the Persian Gulf region that they are "expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner and to avoid any unnecessary escalation or confrontation" with Iranian ships or other military assets.

"Given the heightened sensitivities in Tehran we don't want to feed into what is already a very tense situation on their side," the official said.

Currently the aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower in in the Northern Arabian Sea supporting Operation Enduring Freedom F-18 flight missions along with its battle group, which consists of multiple support ships. Roughly half a dozen Navy ships, including destroyers, are located in the Persian Gulf.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhodod; bhoiran; bhomiddleeast; iran; oef; revolutionaryguard; usnavy; usseisenhower

1 posted on 06/22/2009 10:35:07 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jeff Head

Ping


2 posted on 06/22/2009 10:36:52 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: nuconvert

Ping


3 posted on 06/22/2009 10:40:08 AM PDT by StilettoRaksha
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To: Jet Jaguar
more of the “present” we have become familiar with.
4 posted on 06/22/2009 10:40:24 AM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Defense is "on edge" over the turmoil in Iran, and has directed U.S. naval assets in the Persian Gulf to be, in layman's terms, in "non-incident mode." U.S. military commanders are said to have been instructed to be alert to any possibility of a clash with Iranian naval assets, and to position themselves in such a way as to diminish the ability of Iran to stage an incident, however small, that could be used to rally the support of the Iranian people to the regime and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose backers are accused of voter fraud in the national election 10 days ago.

Short Version: Obama has ordered our Navy not to fire back if attacked.

5 posted on 06/22/2009 10:41:04 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Jet Jaguar

Whoa! A lot of Iranians, many military, defected around 1979. We could be seeing a second wave.


6 posted on 06/22/2009 10:42:06 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Jet Jaguar
Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard are showing "discontent" and some are "contemplating the contingency" of defying the regime in the wake of last week's disputed election, the former crown prince of Iran contended Monday.

True or wishful thinking? Anyone have inside info?

7 posted on 06/22/2009 10:42:16 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: Jet Jaguar

**Questions Mount About Defecting Iranian Revolutionary Guard**

Wow, I had not heard this, but then I don’t have a working TV.


8 posted on 06/22/2009 10:42:22 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: pabianice

I’m certainly no fan of zero, but to me, this makes sense. let the candle snuff itself out, don’t throw fuel on the fire which would only serve to make the mullahs appear wise. This way, attention can remain focused on the uprisings, not a national battle against a common enemy, the USA.


9 posted on 06/22/2009 10:43:37 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: colorado tanker
True or wishful thinking? Anyone have inside info?

Considering the source I'd say probably wishful thinking. But if it is true, and if those you would expect to be most loyal to the regime are talking about deserting, then it doesn't bode well for the current Iranian government.

10 posted on 06/22/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Jet Jaguar

Perhaps false information, to start the defections.


11 posted on 06/22/2009 10:47:48 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Let their hope for freedom be snuffed out? I don’t get it.


12 posted on 06/22/2009 10:49:44 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: pabianice
I can appreciate having the Navy position themselves so they wouldn't necessarily have to defend themselves. It's one thing for the US civilian leadership to speak out and support freedom. It's not like it's a secret or anything, we've only been doing it for 233 years. And ZerØ has been far too timid in that regard IMO.

But having our forces engage, even defensively, Iranian assets at this particular time, would be a detriment to the freedom movement taking place in Iran. I'm not saying they shouldn't defend themselves if the situation warrants, just that they should try and avoid being in the position to have to do so.

13 posted on 06/22/2009 10:51:31 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Mark was here
I don’t get it.

I can tell.

14 posted on 06/22/2009 10:52:16 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Well explain your self better for dolts like me.


15 posted on 06/22/2009 10:54:17 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

If the Iran Gov’t is really splitting apart, the US Navy should really watch out for rogue elements launching anti-ship missiles.


16 posted on 06/22/2009 10:54:21 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Jet Jaguar

***...”expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner and to avoid any unnecessary escalation or confrontation” with Iranian ships or other military assets. ***

Don’t worry! Obama and friends will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of VICTORY!


17 posted on 06/22/2009 10:54:38 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (A modern liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do so long as it is compulsory.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
Giving moral support to the protesters is, in no way, throwing fuel on the fire.

I agree that we should take no provocative military action yet, but the protesters need our support...they need to know we are with them.

18 posted on 06/22/2009 10:56:55 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: Non-Sequitur

It’s interesting to me that they’ve sent this Basij militia into the streets instead of the Guards. It may be a lot of Guardsmen won’t fire on their own civilians. Just speculation.


19 posted on 06/22/2009 10:57:01 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: pabianice

No, I think it’s more of a case of “don’t do anything that would make yourself a target.” He wants our assets there to steer clear and keep an eye on things, but not to put themselves in a position where I’manutjob or the mullahs could stage an attack and then scream to the world when the USN defends itself.

}:-)4


20 posted on 06/22/2009 10:57:47 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: Mark was here

Here you go: “don’t throw fuel on the fire which would only serve to make the mullahs appear wise. This way, attention can remain focused on the uprisings, not a national battle against a common enemy, the USA.”

If we’re nearby, those in charge can whip up nationalistic frenzy, minimizing the protests. If we back off, (not adding fuel to the fire) that can’t happen, snuffing the nationalistic frenzy.

I appreciate your honesty, btw.


21 posted on 06/22/2009 10:58:09 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: SueRae

In 1979, that was the Shah’s military

Now the Shah in exile is expecting the scraggy bearded IRGC to defect? I don’t think so. Their own officers will execute them. Or the people will take matters into their own hands. Best solution.


22 posted on 06/22/2009 10:58:19 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: colorado tanker

The Basij are apparently Arabs brought in from other countries.


23 posted on 06/22/2009 10:59:13 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I agree that we should take no provocative military action yet, but the protesters need our support...they need to know we are with them.

If you haven't done so, get on Twitter and let them know. It's quick and easy to set up.

They're in it now, they had better see it through or they'll be made to regret it if they fail.

24 posted on 06/22/2009 11:03:51 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Giving moral support to the protesters is, in no way, throwing fuel on the fire.

Nope, but engaging their military would help quiet the protests, change focus away from the elections.

25 posted on 06/22/2009 11:03:54 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: pabianice

Well, there is the point that if the protestors perceive the US as an aggressor, it might unify the Iranian public and stall the protests. However, O needs to be giving one of his elOquent speeches about freedom and liberty—heh


26 posted on 06/22/2009 11:05:23 AM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: PGR88

I would agree with your response, as they should also be on the lookout for moored mines and “Floaters”, a-la 1979-1982. It may become very tight in the PG for anything bigger than a FFG.....but wait, we don’t have anymore of them, do we?....


27 posted on 06/22/2009 11:08:04 AM PDT by shredderman (Living in a Blue State, with a Blue Wife, But I'm Red to the bone.....)
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To: Mark was here
The Supreme Mullah is in trouble. The best way to get the sheeple behind him is to create an external enemy, e.g. "The Great Satan".

The fastest way to do it is send some idiots in to get themselves blown away by overmatching firepower and be victims.

I am not a TOTUS backer, but in his coward's way, the orders are correct, but we all know it is a result of his voting "present" again.

"Stopped Clock"

28 posted on 06/22/2009 11:09:56 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: silverleaf

Defect to where? Please point to a Gulf sheikdom or emirate that would take them? I ask that rhetorically, silverleaf. We’re in complete agreement.


29 posted on 06/22/2009 11:14:56 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: ConservativeMan55

The Basij are apparently Arabs brought in from other countries.

&&
Really? Source?


30 posted on 06/22/2009 11:18:39 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Bigg Red

Found someone posting something here.

Otherwise I’ve seen it on Fox several times.

They said many of the Basij were yelling at the protesters in Arabic.

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-272814


31 posted on 06/22/2009 11:28:03 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Jet Jaguar

...and 0bama saying that we should not get involved because he doesn’t want to make this a US issue...

that’s like France saying we shouldn’t get involved in the American Revolution because the British press will make it a French issue...


32 posted on 06/22/2009 11:30:35 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar

From what I’ve heard, the IRG may be somewhat behind this, prepping for a coup.


33 posted on 06/22/2009 11:31:49 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Cap ‘em.


34 posted on 06/22/2009 11:32:37 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: BCW

Hear, Hear!


35 posted on 06/22/2009 11:33:01 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Actually, the Basij are almost entirely Iranian, numbering some 5 million members. Not every member of the Basij is out there trying to squat their countrymen like gnats; in fact, only a small hard-core element is out there doing this. Apparently the leadership does not entirely trust the membership at large.

The mullahs have indeed brought in elements of Lebanon's Hezbollah and Syrian Hamas to deal with the uprising, but the problem with this approach is that they speak Arabic, not Farsi, so the people know who they are, making it easier when the appropriate time comes (if, indeed, it does!) to deal with these imported elements the people neither trust nor like.

I've read stories of at least one Guard commander (who is apparently rather high up) saying he and his men won't shot at their own people.

To get around the (potential) Guard problem, the mullahs have begun to resort to pulling Guard units from their own home regions and placing them elsewhere, to avoid the dilemma of Guard members shooting at members of their own families, but one has to wonder at what point it dawns on these guys (the Guard members in question) that the corrupt leaders who forced them to do this were merely engaged in an exercise of rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.

As a practical matter, they simply cannot bring in enough outsiders to handle this, and at some point (sooner rather than later, methinks) the police and Guard will begin to lose the necessary stomach to finish this job.

Once that point is reached, look for the military to make a move, and I doubt seriously it will be on the side of the mullahs.

Just the way I see it...

CA....

36 posted on 06/22/2009 11:34:49 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
A coup is possible, of course, but the IRG cannot possibly hope to pull it off without the Army's acquiescence, at the bare minimum.

It is instructive to note that at the outset of the unrest (well, few days after it started) the military professed openly it was neutral, a stance viewed by many as an open invitation to revolution.

We'll see, won't we?

CA....

37 posted on 06/22/2009 11:41:51 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

The Basij are apparently Arabs brought in from other countries. ..................................... Partially true, Khomeini brought in other Wahhabis from outside Iran. There was an influx of non Farsi speaking Mullahs after the 79 Revolution. When they came in so did their relatives. Don’t even think that the Iranians are completely ignorant of that fact,they too want them out of there. All the Iranians that I have been exposed to, have been the friendliest kind of people who are much like the Italians. When I was laid up in a Hospital, my first 2 visitors were Iranians. Get rid of that regime and you will see how friendly and good natured they really are.


38 posted on 06/22/2009 11:47:22 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Salvation

How are they going to defect?


39 posted on 06/22/2009 11:50:33 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Bringbackthedraft

bttt


40 posted on 06/22/2009 11:51:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Bringbackthedraft

My experience with Iranians as well...


41 posted on 06/22/2009 12:06:07 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Stay neutral? Against our #1 enemy? This “they’ll turn against us if we take their side” makes no sense at all. We need to be buzzing Tehran with jet fighters in a show of strength.

Let's support the rebellion and not “let a crisis go to waste”.

42 posted on 06/22/2009 12:19:05 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (OY IRAN)
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To: colorado tanker
If the dictator sends the Revolutionary Guard against the people then we should start taking out RG barracks and assets. They are a designated terrorist group and congress has already given the military authorization to attack any terrorist group in Persian Gulf region.
43 posted on 06/22/2009 12:28:40 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (OY IRAN)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Correct.


44 posted on 06/22/2009 12:31:39 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Bigg Red
From twitter. The Iranians hear them speaking Arabic. Some Palestinian Hamashole sniper shot that fifteen year old Iranian girl in the heart.
45 posted on 06/22/2009 12:34:21 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (OY IRAN)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard...

Hey, I thought they were "Elite"? Or maybe that's Iraq's [former} 'Elite Revolutionary Guard'? Or maybe Revolutionary Guards are only elite when they're fighting US troops. Or perhaps the press got rid of the 'Elite' after they kept getting their asses kicked...by us...?

46 posted on 06/22/2009 12:52:16 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Redleg Duke
I agree not to give them a military reason to rally behind the flag. I question Obama being the first US president to acknowledge the Mullas as being a legit government. We should be squealing like a greased pig on behalf of the people who want free of their captors. We should not let up on moral pressure, we need to offer real assurances they won't be left holding the bag. We have to be smart and willing to chance that doing the right thing will prevail ... Like Bush did.
47 posted on 06/22/2009 12:56:02 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Makes sense.
We do not have the money, troops, or will to stabilize Iran or even fight an all out war with them. The ruling class of Iran, however, needs that war to unify them.

Pull back and let things play out.

48 posted on 06/22/2009 5:38:25 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Blue State Insurgent; ConservativeMan55

Thanks for the info.


49 posted on 06/22/2009 6:07:49 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well, I hope they defect, and go to Europe or Brazil. Please, no more Asylum seekers here...


50 posted on 06/23/2009 5:44:48 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68 (Bring back the crusades)
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