Posted on 06/22/2009 11:25:31 AM PDT by Schnucki
The Islamic burqa is ‘not welcome’ in France and should be banned, President Nicolas Sarkozy announced today.
In comments which were set to infuriate radical Muslim leaders, he said the body covering ‘is not a sign of religion, it is a sign of subservience,’ adding: ‘It will not be welcome on the territory of the French republic.’
A group of 58 MPs from the Left and Right has called on Parliament to take action against women who are adopting what they called oppressive head-to-toe Islamic dress that ‘breaches individual freedoms’.
There are more than five million Muslims in the secular French Republic, but everything has been done to prevent showing off their religion in public.
In 2004 France banned religious headcover in state schools.
André Gerin, a Communist MP, led the motion for the latest inquiry, calling the burqa and niqab ‘a moving prison’ for women.
Women’s groups, including some Muslim ones, back the new measures against the practices of a growing but still small minority of radical Muslims.
Fadela Amara, a rights campaigner of Algerian background, who is the Housing Minister, said that she was alarmed by the number of women ‘who are being put in this kind of tomb’.
She added: “We must do everything to stop burqas from spreading.”
Dalil Boubakeur, the rector of the Paris Mosque, supported an inquiry, saying that face covering for women was a fundamentalist practice originating in Afghanistan that was not prescribed by Islam.
But the national Muslim Council, which is less tied to the Establishment, accused lawmakers of wasting time on a fringe phenomenon.
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If only our president wouldn’t bow down and be submissive to the neck-slicers.
Well done Sarkozy!
it is a sign of subservience, our President Obama couldn’t say this.
They are also a big F-you to society.
Sign of subservience? Are you sure he wasn’t talking about that time 0bama said hello to the king of SA? I recall Sarko looking highly amused.
Honestly it’s time to bring back the Leather necks, back in the days of the Crusades the Christians would wrap their necks in leather so the muslims could not cut their heads off as easily.
Beats the heck out of a burka any day.
Sad isn’t it, that France is standing up to this stuff better than Obama? The french have out done us here. Thanks for the Hope and Change Bambi!
Yet another government dictating what people can and cannot do. I love how the French Communists are all over this. I wonder why lol
This is a really bad idea.
While I am no fan of Islam, and I definitely don’t think women should cover their faces for legitimate state requirements such as taking pictures for photo ID, etc.
I don’t think it’s the government’s business what a person chooses to wear on her heads when they’re going about their own business.
Obama must wonder where he can get one of those things.
Fewer burqa, fewer muslim women in France; fewer muslim women in France, fewer muslim babies turning France into an islamic state.
Makes sense.
There’s only one leader of the free world...and he’s not sitting in DC. I think Sarkozy ought to go ahead and stand up completely...he’s the lighthouse in the midst of the darkness.
If we really want less govt on our lives, do we really want the fed govt to tell us what or what not to wear?
I for one, do not want the govt to tell me to wrap leather around my neck...
I think it is intended more as a “shot across the bow” to slow down or stop the Muslim insistance on moving toward sharia law. It is the Muslim strategy in all western countries, and to stop the drip, drip, drip of eroding the rights of the majority, it has to start somewhere....
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Yeah exactly, why would anyone support this in a free society. They are free to choose what to wear, this is just heavy handed government intervention in personal affairs.
You’re probably right, he’s posturing so that when he backs off on this it will look as though he’s giving them a concession.
The Shah of Iran tried to outlaw the headscarves. As a consequence, popular support for Khomeini swelled. And then came Jimmuh to help move things along.
maybe... I think even saying it sets a bad precedent especially when you’ve got the Communists shouting about it alongside you.
Doesn’t france have better things to worry about?
I better get ready to duck, but I don’t understand how banning the wearing of the burqa means you are ending subservience. If the government says you cannot wear a burqa, and you must comply, doesn’t that make you subservient, only to the government instead of a Muslim code? The religious habit of a Catholic nun also implies submission to vows, shall that be outlawed too on the this basis.
The problem with radical Islam is not Burqas or Ramadan or the Arabic language, it is its built in proclivity to subvert everything that isn’t Islam, through whatever means available.
Subservience hell, you dummy. It’s a sign of concealing thugs carrying bombs!
Here is something to think about, although we rarely see it here: in the 70s an Italian political scientist postulated that the political spectrum was actually a circle, not a line (with left and right). It was based on voting patterns in the Italian parliament, where often, the communists and the fascists (the assumption here being that the fascists are “right” wing) voted together— but for different reasons. The only time I have seen it here was on bi-lingual education in California in the late 70s. The left supported it as “sensitive to the needs of Hispanic children.” The right supported it because it created a permanent underclass to work the fields!
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This presupposes that burqua wearing is freely chosen. I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that it isn't. This isn't a religion of freedom we are talking about; this is a religion whose holy book advocates the subjugation of women, the killing of all apostates, and the death of all those who do not convert.
I dunno, I am pretty sure nobody in France is going to force them to wear it in public. Maybe their husbands or parents, but all they would have to do is just divorce/move out and not wear it. Since they’re still wearing them anyway, it sounds like a choice to me.
Government shouldn’t be making choices for us, even if we us don’t like the choice.
I see what you are saying, yeah. I don’t really get the underclass part because english education means better job opps in the future... am I missing something?
Funny - and Obama just told them the opposite in Cairo: “We will respect your right to force women to wear Burhkas!”
I’ve liked this guy from the get-go... The more I see/hear from him, the my respect grows.
I think you see the point completely. Continuing to teach in Spanish, rather than demanding complete immersion in English, limited the future job opportunities for those that spoke Spanish at home.
A friend of mine pitched a fit when his very-Caucasian daughter was being forced into a bi-lingual class in San Jose, CA. He and his wife went down to the school, where they met a Hispanic mother equally upset because her son was being forced into a Spanish-first class. The Hispanic mother wanted English-only for her son. When both sets of parents joined together to threaten a lawsuit, both children were “approved” for the English-only class, but the policy, otherwise, continued....
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I like a man who has a pair.
This doesn’t just cover their heads. Their whole bodies are covered and nothing shows except the eyes. They are horrible looking.
Ahhh, ok. Point taken. It’s kind of scary how the far right and far left all want the same thing, to control you.
haha, no kidding. i bet some of the women under those things are babe-alicious. they need to let it all hang out!
You sound very naive to me. Muslims kill their women for not obeying, they are called honor killings and they happen in all western countries, including France and US. Read about the lawyer in NYC a few months ago who killed his wife because she wanted a divorce? He was considered a "moderate" Muslim.
Making a law that forbade husbands to force their women to wear burkas wouldn't work, they(the husbands) would simply scare the women into wearing them anyway and claiming they want to wear them. They do that now.
Muslim women cannot freely divorce without fear of dying, muslim girls can't date who they want without fear of dying.
Sarkozy is merely trying to clamp down on the muslim terror that permeates parts of France.
Remember the burning cars and the "youths" who are responsible?
|Maybe their husbands or parents, but all they would have to do is just divorce/move out and not wear it.”
I think the implied circumstance is that in families where this is mandated, females aren’t running the show.
Who would have ever thought our president would be the sissy boy and the president of France would be the manly one?
This cheap punk quota boy is disgusting.
Sarkozy for President.
I was watching one of these shows like “Forensic Files” or “Snapped”, and they had a murdered young woman whose own mother and father killed her brutally for dating someone they did not like, and she stood up to them. This was a true story, not a Based on a True Story.
I forgot to mention they were Muslim.
I guess... I have fairly frequent business trips to France and most of the time all you see is the headscarf. Most of my french business colleagues haven’t even seen a muslim woman in a burqa personally (like on the street)... they are just too rare. I’m sure there are some loonies in the country that force women to wear them, but you never see them really.
I think the whole thing is overblown just so that the French government can get another foothold in civil rights and open the door to whatever other social engineering they have planned. What’s next, no visible crucifixes?
Yeah that’s true, though you’d think a modern country would help get them a way out of it instead of running roughshod and banning religious garb... are they going to start cracking down on nuns or something next?
islamofascism shouldn’t be fought by eliminating personal freedom
“islamofascism shouldn’t be fought by eliminating personal freedom”
I don’t think you are going to find a way to integrate severe religious fundamentalism and modern western social and legal values, particularly in the context of islam, which did not form a fundamental part of the western legal system (unlike christianity). Western legal institutions have no way to effectively relate to a religion operating the way fundamentalist islam works.
Additionally, I do not believe the west has the political power/will to stand up to the immigration issues it faces (especially in europe).
On the French Muslim nude beaches, the burqas are sleeveless.
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