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Revolutionary Guard Commander Defies Khamenei's Orders To Use Force On Protestors
The International Business Times ^ | 22 June 2009 @ 02:00 pm

Posted on 06/22/2009 12:07:22 PM PDT by lewisglad

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To: txroadkill

Copyright 2002.

My, how things have changed in just 7 years. That cartoon needs updating. I can see Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, Durbin, Wright, ACORN, et. al. placing dynamite sticks in the Liberty Bell’s crack intending to blow it to smithereens.


51 posted on 06/22/2009 12:43:20 PM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Injured young students die in Iran by BASIJIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npdISZUtdmU

June 22, 2009


52 posted on 06/22/2009 12:43:56 PM PDT by Son House (Øbama "What Would J.C. Do?" >> J.C. = Jimmy Carter)
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To: Vermont Lt

ROFL at your tagline.


53 posted on 06/22/2009 12:43:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Oath Keepers are not “secret” or in hiding.


54 posted on 06/22/2009 12:44:54 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Neda, Is She Iran’s Joan of Arc?
Neda Has Become a Symbol and Martyr for the Iranian Opposition http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7897043&page=1


55 posted on 06/22/2009 12:45:37 PM PDT by lewisglad
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To: unkus
Right ... they're using their real names. That's a whole lot more serious than the bunch back in the '90s.

It fits: the present situation is much more serious than the '90s.

56 posted on 06/22/2009 12:46:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Vermont Lt

We must never forget, and we must teach everyone, this truism:

The only reason that anyone would seek to disarm the citizenry is if they intend to do something to them that they wouldn’t allow if they had the means to resist.


57 posted on 06/22/2009 12:46:33 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: ETL

Is that “fat lady” about to sing?


58 posted on 06/22/2009 12:46:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil
Is that “fat lady” about to sing?

Don't know about that, but a crack is beginning to show.

59 posted on 06/22/2009 12:50:22 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Jack Black
Good point. Cops call non-cops “civilians”. Ironic, no?
60 posted on 06/22/2009 12:51:00 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: sonic109
We have already been taken over.

Not just yet.

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"Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may."

Sam Houston

61 posted on 06/22/2009 12:52:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: lewisglad
"Neda, Is She Iran’s Joan of Arc?"

Well, Joan of arc did fight for France, but she fought and died for the king. Not sure if the analogy fits...
62 posted on 06/22/2009 12:53:47 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: txroadkill


63 posted on 06/22/2009 12:54:43 PM PDT by lewisglad
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To: MrB

3 years?????????


64 posted on 06/22/2009 12:55:45 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Vermont Lt
"Except we have guns. I was pointing out that fact to my kids today. If police fired randomly into a crowd in the US, there would be return fire."

And that's why I'm hoping there are CIA and Mossad agents happily handing out AKs to those who want to defend themselves... Maybe I'm delusional to believe that could happen.
65 posted on 06/22/2009 12:57:00 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: True Republican Patriot

Yeah, it could be sooner, but there has to be a trigger event, like this election in Iran.

2010 could be a trigger event, if ACORN or the Black Panthers engage in voter intimidation and fraud again.


66 posted on 06/22/2009 12:58:40 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Vermont Lt

“If police fired randomly into a crowd in the US, there would be return fire”. Depends on where it happens. If it is in a lib run “gun free zone”, like most coastal cities, it would be ugly.


67 posted on 06/22/2009 12:59:38 PM PDT by Texas resident (Texan by birth and by choice.)
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To: All

Iran has been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American service men and women. If Zero had any balls we’d be airdropping thousands of these over Tehran and other Iranian cities:

http://www.genitron.com/unique5.html

Then we’d see how the Revolutionary Guard thugs like dealing with protesters who have a sting of their own. Maybe more of them would then turn.


68 posted on 06/22/2009 1:00:17 PM PDT by Spartan79
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To: twigs
And the president of the US is not strongly supporting these brave people desiring freedom, why?

Because standing next to Ahmadinnerjacket, Obama looks sane and stately.

69 posted on 06/22/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: maquiladora
I’d be surprised if the General was still alive.

"He's dead, Jim"

70 posted on 06/22/2009 1:01:57 PM PDT by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: MrB

“American Patriots need to watch this play out.
It could happen this way in 3 years.”

Yes, I keep thinking the same thing. How naive we have been to take our freedoms for granted...


71 posted on 06/22/2009 1:04:45 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: twigs

Lets guess, Zero was raised a Muslim; Zero hides his Birth Certificate; Zero hides all associations of the past; Zero denies close friendship with Unrepentant terrorist William Ayers who bombed the Pentagon and wrote Zero’s alleged “MEMOIRS!” which required extremely close relationship; Zero gives huge speech to Muslims Not from U.S. Capital, but from Cairo!! ad infinitum........


72 posted on 06/22/2009 1:05:01 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: MrB
American Patriots need to watch this play out. It could happen this way in 3 years.

There is no "could". If the exec branch orders the US military to fire on demonstrators, there will be tanks in DC arresting the executive AND legislative branches wholesale. Oath is to upholding the constitution, not tyrants elected with a slick campaign that fooled millions.

73 posted on 06/22/2009 1:08:33 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: ETL

I'm holding you responsible for any retinal damage.

74 posted on 06/22/2009 1:09:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: USCG SimTech

How about a different scenario,
where a state refuses to enforce, or allow to be enforced,
an unconstitutional law within the boundaries of that state,

0bama sends out fedthugs, and the people of the state arrest said fedthugs....

now what?


75 posted on 06/22/2009 1:10:39 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: USCG SimTech

But what if the executive branch wanted it to look like you and the rest of the people in your ‘compound’ burnt themselves to death?

Obama doesn’t need to command the US military to do anything. He just needs the ATF.


76 posted on 06/22/2009 1:11:59 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Vermont Lt

Taking on a nation of +200 million snipers, hit and run “Red Dawn” tactics, not smart to try.


77 posted on 06/22/2009 1:12:58 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

some twitter;

http://iran.twazzup.com/#

Clashes today confirmed in Jaam Jam and Mellat Park - militia used tear gas - shooting heard

thank god shep is on tonite ...was thinkinit would be “geraldo’s” iran... would he please ....just go...away already..

BREAKING(!) - NEW VIDEO (22JUN) SHOWS CLASHES IN IRAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FcypRFWnw

RT IRAN: NATIONAL STRIKE TOMORROW (TUESDAY) in objection to the attacks & killings & the coup

Militia in Sa-adat Abad (Tehran) targeting people chanting Allah Akbar brom their balcony -

Looks like FARK has the best Iran updates
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4463219

TPM report “Hundreds of anti-riot police, oined by helicopters,succeeded dispersing protesters in Tehran’s Haft-e-Tir Square.

Disturbing story in WSJ about Iran’s ability to spy on internet and Twitter traffic with help from European Tech cos
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html

RT from Iran sources - clashes NOW in streets in Sharak Gharb (Tehran)


78 posted on 06/22/2009 1:13:46 PM PDT by Son House (Øbama "What Would J.C. Do?" >> J.C. = Jimmy Carter)
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To: Billthedrill
I'm holding you responsible for any retinal damage.

It wasn't ME who brought up the subject of 'cracks showing'!

79 posted on 06/22/2009 1:14:04 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: agere_contra

If something like Waco were to start to unfold today,

the feds wouldn’t have to worry about gunfire coming from INSIDE the “compound” as much as from OUTSIDE their perimeter.


80 posted on 06/22/2009 1:14:34 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: jeffers; maquiladora; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

ping


81 posted on 06/22/2009 1:16:31 PM PDT by jhpigott
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To: ArrogantBustard; ETL
Zounds! Blame ETL! He posted it! I'm still gakking!

Luckily, no one posted an HT picture to make us feel better;)

(yet)

82 posted on 06/22/2009 1:24:24 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo

>Zounds! Blame ETL! He posted it!
>I’m still gakking!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2276987/posts?page=79#79


83 posted on 06/22/2009 1:27:16 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: MrB
I hope you're right, I really do.

But during WACO there were many normal, gun-owning civilians who wanted the Feds to hurry things up, not pussy-foot around. If you are painted as a cultist or some other kind of untermench then the American people will not help you.

Also: even if the battlelines are clearer than Waco, there may be too much ingrained respect for LEOs, too much wheat mixed with the chaff even in the ATF for a future resistance movement to be comfortable with shooting on them.

Nevertheless: I am sure the American people would rise against tyranny - of course they would - I just don't think they'll be breaking any seiges.

84 posted on 06/22/2009 1:28:19 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Oldpuppymax

If you are optimistic, this depends upon how much recruiting standards are watered down and how much the promotion policy is corrupted. World history on the basic subject is extremely depressing, and I don’t think we nor any other people need to invoke even the above threats in order to worry. SOP for tyrants is to foist deprivation upon elements suspected of harboring “dangerous” sentiments (with executions for the most blatant displays), and abundant reward upon staunch loyalists. Attrition is generally answered by bolstering the ranks with erstwhile disaffected civilians (unemployed youth especially) in return for base rewards - sometimes directly astride regulars, but usually outside the prevailing command structure.

One problem is that insubordination generally occurs in a disorganized fashion (by design of the organizational structure and communication protocols - this is all good when the government is good, but bad when the government is bad). This may not be the case in the present and future due to the diffuse nature of communication channels, but central governments have retained enough control over even these that, if non-compliant communication occurs, there exists enough government access to all available channels (and ultimately control over key infrastructure, including power) that seeds of doubt can be sewn regarding the veracity or context of all inconvenient communications.

For example, I fully expect tyrants to answer (via both official government news agencies as well as through agents posing as part of the popular uprising) public reports of insubordination with collections of easily-falsified similar claims and chalk those up to psy-ops of foreign governments, hoping the masses ascribe the same motif to genuine revolts.


85 posted on 06/22/2009 1:30:05 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: stevecmd

Double Fault?


86 posted on 06/22/2009 1:33:55 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
He would most likely get some 3rd world UN troops to do it...just like all despicable would be dictators do.

The difference in this case would be that millions of Americans will be armed....and if I remember correctly, the UN troops mostly run away if they receive return fire....

BRING IT ON....the sooner it starts, the sooner its over...

87 posted on 06/22/2009 1:43:05 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: Texas Fossil

Not so sure about the “Idiot press” thing.

Take a look at the trick the BBC just pulled - they posted a story somewhat sympathetic to the anti-government demonstrations, and attached an image purported to be of one such anti-government demonstration. Several hours later, the BBC reported that it was in error, and that the image was actually of a pro-Iwannajihad rally, and provided a wider-angle image of the event containing both Iwannajihad and the earlier image.

This flap generated enormous press, giving cover to the BBC as well as the likes of al-Reuters and AP (which produce articles widely redistributed by other media outlets) to “neutrally” cover the image of popular support for Iwannajihad.


88 posted on 06/22/2009 1:44:00 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: jhpigott

Popcorn time...;0)


89 posted on 06/22/2009 1:47:12 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: M203M4

Show me where there is any respectability within the U.S. press corp.

They are past being prostitutes, and are full time concubines.

Yes, the press can occasionally make a “mistake”, but the consistency of the “lies” is so high as to remove all doubt.


90 posted on 06/22/2009 1:53:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: lewisglad

Guard refuses orders? UH OH!


91 posted on 06/22/2009 1:59:03 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rent this space.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
You mean those dummies actually killed the only beautiful girl in the country?
_____________
Actually, some Persian women are very pretty and some of the men are quite good looking as well. We have friends that got out when the Shah was exiled. They came to the United States. He had been a teacher at the University of Tehran and they have 3 daughters. She is drop dead gorgeous and her daughters are as well. He is okay, nothing to write home about. You could not meet nicer people. Their manners are impeccable and they are very kind, loving, friendly people.
They lost everything. I saw pictures of their home there and they had beautiful furniture, rugs, nik naks etc. He eventually was able to get a job as a teacher here and she went to beauty school, was top in her class. They had an apartment and saved money. They bought a home and a couple of years later she bought a salon. The salon grew and she at one time had around 20 people working for her. She eventually moved out of that and built a new salon, really gorgeous too!
Nothing came easy for them. They came here, they worked hard and they made a new life. They never expected anyone to do it for them. The only money they got was some help when they got out of Iran. Apparently our government assisted them in getting into the U.S. because he and his family had close ties to the Shah. He had pictures of himself and the Shah. At times he had worked as security/bodyguard so they had no choice other than to leave.
Their parents stayed there but came to visit. I met them and they too, were lovely people.
92 posted on 06/22/2009 2:06:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Texas Fossil

That is what I mean. They are not idiots. The fourth estate is the fifth column.


93 posted on 06/22/2009 2:16:02 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

sir, you are mistaken.

Persian women are some of the most beautiful in the world.


94 posted on 06/22/2009 2:17:19 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: unkus

Oath Keeper bump.....


95 posted on 06/22/2009 2:21:58 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Thanks Ernest.
96 posted on 06/22/2009 2:33:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: lewisglad
"A commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards has been arrested for refusing to obey Iran's Supreme Leader, according to reports from the Balatarin.

Soon, we will be reading the same about American commanders.

97 posted on 06/22/2009 2:37:29 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (All aboard the 1st Annual Free Republic National Tea Party Convention 9/11-9/12. Be there!!!)
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To: lewisglad

General Ali Fazli BRIGADES NEED TO START FORMING UP.

Radio America should be working overtime on this.


98 posted on 06/22/2009 2:41:43 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: rjp2005

SLAMMING Iran’s govt in the press.

//////////////////////

SLAMMING Iran’s govt in the ...HEAD WITH MISSILES.

ITs time for overt military action. We have Iran surrounded. We have Air Land and Sea Supremecy. The people are revolting. The mullahs want to start a nuclear war in the Mideast and want to sacrifice millions of their own people in order to start this war. Now other country is going to attack US to defend Iran.

Knock out their Airports, bridges, Military and ParaMilitary HQs....snap crackle pop.

B.O. = COWARD


99 posted on 06/22/2009 2:47:49 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: M203M4

No argument with that statement.

They are an enemy of the nation.


100 posted on 06/22/2009 2:48:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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