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Iranians cry "Death to the Islamic Republic"

Posted on 06/23/2009 12:56:04 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Islaminaction

If I remember correctly, the Shah had runaway at one time and had to be coaxed back by the CIA. That being said, with that type of backing, one could be very strong. The Shah was “javid” (merciful) in many instances and strong in others, especially when he threatend to “don his Father’s boots”.

151 posted on 06/23/2009 10:09:34 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: warsaw44
Yes, warsaw. The students have for a long time been hard-working, determined to achieve and succeed, in quest of a better, freer life, respectable and good-hearted young adults. It's bothered me for some time now--wondering how much was necessary in ridding the world of Nutjob--how anyone would be able to succeed in sparing the decent generation coming up.

Prayers and strength to the brave Iranian people.

152 posted on 06/23/2009 10:29:06 PM PDT by Miss Behave ("WE WANT FREEDOM!")
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To: NY Attitude

The Shah himself was strong and no angel but his son, the one in America is not the strong leader type.

153 posted on 06/23/2009 10:31:57 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Typical_Whitey

154 posted on 06/24/2009 2:12:35 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Typical_Whitey

155 posted on 06/24/2009 2:27:12 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Lucky9teen
And how dare you insinuate otherwise.


It's called "not believing everything you see on the internet."

156 posted on 06/24/2009 4:25:10 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: OB1kNOb
That was uncalled for.

Possibly so.

157 posted on 06/24/2009 4:26:07 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ScottinVA
You’re the fool.


Skepticism makes you really mad, doesn't it?

158 posted on 06/24/2009 4:59:22 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: advance_copy

Because BO is one of them. “Birds of a feather.”

159 posted on 06/24/2009 6:24:38 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: NY Attitude

Based on my limited experience with Iranians that I knew in college (during the revolution) there was very little love lost with the Shah and his family. And these Iranians were midshipmen in the Navy, so they were not your typical liberal rich students.

So, I made my statements on the general principal of “been there, done that.” Your experience is probably better than mine (really, not trying to sound snotty.)

And yes, based on the horror storied I heard first hand from the kids that came back a couple of years later, the Islamic Revolution was a nightmare. The stories made me respect these kids much more than I ever did prior to their expulsion from the US. For the first time in my life, the horrors of a dictatorship were “real” and not just on TV.

It think the comment of who is better is not a good argument. What would be better is a democratic and free election, and then go with the winner.

I mean, I dislike 99% of the Obama policies...compared to disliking about 60% of Bush’s. I think we can do better than both, don’t you.

People will do wonderful things if you stand aside and let them do it. In this case, i think Obama is doing the right thing, although he is sounding amazingly like Bush in his inability to articulate it. If we step up overtly, we run the risk of causing a more severe crackdown, and escalation of the terror attacks world wide, and Israel would need to move up their attack.

If Iran’s government fails, peace will break out around the world.

This is a tight rope walk. I am not sure Bambi has the guts to walk it, but I prey for it to turn out right. God is at work here.

160 posted on 06/24/2009 6:26:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: humblegunner

“Skepticism makes you really mad, doesn’t it?”

OK, then. I bit; shoulda known. Very well done!

161 posted on 06/24/2009 7:21:40 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: BeerLover NYC; Rookie Cookie

“Unfortunately the Zoroastrians do not accept converts”

I don’t know where you got your info from ? Your info is not quite accurate.

Some Orthodox Parsi Zoroastrians (Parsi = those original persians who migrated to India centuries ago) are against conversion. The same does not apply to less dogmatic Parsis or the Iranian-Zoroastrians.

In fact Muslim born Iranians converting to Zoroastrianism as well Christianity are on the rise in Iran, as well as around the globe. Only in Iran, because of death penalty for conversion out of Islam i.e. apostasy laws Islamic Republic regime, the Muslim borns who do convert, in Iran keep things under wraps.

Read this and the comments:

and about the Baha’i Faith

162 posted on 06/24/2009 7:55:54 AM PDT by odds
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To: SolidWood

You are very much generalizing about Zoroastrians not accepting converts.

See # 162 and links about conversion to zoroastrianism and baha’i faith.

163 posted on 06/24/2009 7:59:44 AM PDT by odds
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To: Vermont Lt
Thank you for response. I make my comments based upon my experience as an American contractor living in Iran before, during and after the revolution. While many people did not like the Shah almost an equal number did. The Shah was strong and a forward thinker whereas he promoted more freedom for women and created a modern infrastructure. One of his major problems was the corruption of his associates and the failure to monitor them while they served the people of Iran. The Shah departed Iran because he didn't want to hurt his people and was forced to leave because of jimmuh carter.

The other person as I mentioned is the Shah's son Reza. He is still loved by the Iranian people, educated and intelligent. He certainly is not like his father and would not be as ruthless. One thing going for the US is that he is very pro American, which is something that we could use right now. Whether or not, should he remain if he returned and for how long, only time would tell. The Iranian people are a good lot and deserve much better that what they have now.

164 posted on 06/24/2009 8:33:49 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: BeerLover NYC; Rookie Cookie; Ultra Sonic 007; Fred Nerks; sionnsar

I hear that there is some form of Zoroastrianism (here in the US?) that does accept converts. They need to get together with the Zoroastrians in Iran, who don’t accept converts as part of their old accommodation with islam (and with Hinduism).

But best of all would be conversion to Christianity. I know Iranian-Americans who are Christians. But Iran needs a form of Christianity that is more indigenous to Iran, to avoid the dependence on the West that they so abhor.

That would be the Assyrian Orthodox Church (Church of the East) and/or the Armenian Orthodox Church, both of which have a long history in Iran. But these Christian groups in Iran are small, are ethnically-based, and have liturgical languages (Aramaic and Armenian, respectively) other than Persian/Farsi.

But the original Christian Church on the day of Pentecost had only around 120 members, all of who were Jews with Aramaic as their native language (Acts 1). And they evangelized the entire known world in just a few years!!!! With God, all things are possible.

As long as the rotten islamic Republic has the Iranian people under its iron boot, the chance of their hearing and responding to the Holy Gospel is next to zero. (muslim converts to Christianity are now routinely killed.) But if and when the islamic Republic is overthrown, many who have been ground down by the very worst form of islam and have become nominal muslims may be very receptive to the Gospel.

165 posted on 06/24/2009 1:24:23 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Rookie Cookie
Iran should become a Zoroastrian or Baha'i republic and free itself from the Arabized Wahhabi belt.

Why on earth should Iran become ANY kind of religious republic?

A better model is India, which manages to continue despite frictions between the dominant religions there -- and I might add that things weren't always so very cozy here in the States either. And a true Iranian republic would probably look much more like the Indian or Israeli model -- lots of parties, continual bickering and shifting alliances.. but working.

(And maybe better than our alleged "two-party" system does today. But that's a rant for another thread.)

166 posted on 06/24/2009 8:25:11 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha Soltan - murdered by illegitimate government)
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To: sionnsar
Unless a majority of them convert to something else I doubt the Iranian society will be able to displace Islam. Even if they introduce a secular model for their constitution it will still remain under threat from radical Islam as long as Islam remains the dominant religion. The Shah tried to create a westernized and largely secular state and failed. In Turkey Kemal Ataturk did it but with brute force and the Turkish Army is still the ultimate controlling institution. Its not a real democracy.

Indian and Israeli model works only because the majority in those countries are Hindu and Jewish respectively.

167 posted on 06/25/2009 7:24:29 AM PDT by Rookie Cookie
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