Skip to comments.Iranians cry "Death to the Islamic Republic"
Posted on 06/23/2009 12:56:04 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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If I remember correctly, the Shah had runaway at one time and had to be coaxed back by the CIA. That being said, with that type of backing, one could be very strong. The Shah was “javid” (merciful) in many instances and strong in others, especially when he threatend to “don his Father’s boots”.
Prayers and strength to the brave Iranian people.
The Shah himself was strong and no angel but his son, the one in America is not the strong leader type.
How DARE I?
It's called "not believing everything you see on the internet."
Skepticism makes you really mad, doesn't it?
Because BO is one of them. “Birds of a feather.”
Based on my limited experience with Iranians that I knew in college (during the revolution) there was very little love lost with the Shah and his family. And these Iranians were midshipmen in the Navy, so they were not your typical liberal rich students.
So, I made my statements on the general principal of “been there, done that.” Your experience is probably better than mine (really, not trying to sound snotty.)
And yes, based on the horror storied I heard first hand from the kids that came back a couple of years later, the Islamic Revolution was a nightmare. The stories made me respect these kids much more than I ever did prior to their expulsion from the US. For the first time in my life, the horrors of a dictatorship were “real” and not just on TV.
It think the comment of who is better is not a good argument. What would be better is a democratic and free election, and then go with the winner.
I mean, I dislike 99% of the Obama policies...compared to disliking about 60% of Bush’s. I think we can do better than both, don’t you.
People will do wonderful things if you stand aside and let them do it. In this case, i think Obama is doing the right thing, although he is sounding amazingly like Bush in his inability to articulate it. If we step up overtly, we run the risk of causing a more severe crackdown, and escalation of the terror attacks world wide, and Israel would need to move up their attack.
If Iran’s government fails, peace will break out around the world.
This is a tight rope walk. I am not sure Bambi has the guts to walk it, but I prey for it to turn out right. God is at work here.
“Skepticism makes you really mad, doesn’t it?”
OK, then. I bit; shoulda known. Very well done!
“Unfortunately the Zoroastrians do not accept converts”
I don’t know where you got your info from ? Your info is not quite accurate.
Some Orthodox Parsi Zoroastrians (Parsi = those original persians who migrated to India centuries ago) are against conversion. The same does not apply to less dogmatic Parsis or the Iranian-Zoroastrians.
In fact Muslim born Iranians converting to Zoroastrianism as well Christianity are on the rise in Iran, as well as around the globe. Only in Iran, because of death penalty for conversion out of Islam i.e. apostasy laws Islamic Republic regime, the Muslim borns who do convert, in Iran keep things under wraps.
Read this and the comments:
and about the Baha’i Faith
You are very much generalizing about Zoroastrians not accepting converts.
See # 162 and links about conversion to zoroastrianism and baha’i faith.
The other person as I mentioned is the Shah's son Reza. He is still loved by the Iranian people, educated and intelligent. He certainly is not like his father and would not be as ruthless. One thing going for the US is that he is very pro American, which is something that we could use right now. Whether or not, should he remain if he returned and for how long, only time would tell. The Iranian people are a good lot and deserve much better that what they have now.
I hear that there is some form of Zoroastrianism (here in the US?) that does accept converts. They need to get together with the Zoroastrians in Iran, who don’t accept converts as part of their old accommodation with islam (and with Hinduism).
But best of all would be conversion to Christianity. I know Iranian-Americans who are Christians. But Iran needs a form of Christianity that is more indigenous to Iran, to avoid the dependence on the West that they so abhor.
That would be the Assyrian Orthodox Church (Church of the East) and/or the Armenian Orthodox Church, both of which have a long history in Iran. But these Christian groups in Iran are small, are ethnically-based, and have liturgical languages (Aramaic and Armenian, respectively) other than Persian/Farsi.
But the original Christian Church on the day of Pentecost had only around 120 members, all of who were Jews with Aramaic as their native language (Acts 1). And they evangelized the entire known world in just a few years!!!! With God, all things are possible.
As long as the rotten islamic Republic has the Iranian people under its iron boot, the chance of their hearing and responding to the Holy Gospel is next to zero. (muslim converts to Christianity are now routinely killed.) But if and when the islamic Republic is overthrown, many who have been ground down by the very worst form of islam and have become nominal muslims may be very receptive to the Gospel.
Why on earth should Iran become ANY kind of religious republic?
A better model is India, which manages to continue despite frictions between the dominant religions there -- and I might add that things weren't always so very cozy here in the States either. And a true Iranian republic would probably look much more like the Indian or Israeli model -- lots of parties, continual bickering and shifting alliances.. but working.
(And maybe better than our alleged "two-party" system does today. But that's a rant for another thread.)
Indian and Israeli model works only because the majority in those countries are Hindu and Jewish respectively.