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Lautenberg Controversy Shows Watch List Weakness, notes Gun Law Expert
ExpertClick ^ | 22 June, 2009 | John M. Snyder

Posted on 06/24/2009 4:58:20 AM PDT by marktwain

Washington, DC Monday, June 22, 2009

"Although Lautenberg probably did not expect it, an anti-gun bill he's sponsoring reveals a crisis for all Americans' civil rights in the whole government watch list program," says gun rights expert John M. Snyder.

"Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey says he wants to deny the right to buy a firearm to anyone who is on the government's terrorist watch list, but a gun may be sold to anyone who does not fall into one of several prohibited categories, and being on the list is not one of them," Snyder continued.

"While media coverage emphasizes that the Lautenberg proposal would enable the attorney general to block gun sales to anyone on the list, it generally fails to inform the public about the nature of the list itself"

Snyder said, "The list itself is a big mystery. To my knowledge, there has not yet been significant information revealed about it. Who is on it? Why? Who puts one on it? How does one get his or her name placed on it? How does one get off it? Can a government official place on it the names of men and women considered unfriendly to the government official? Can a journalist or anyone considered unfriendly to a government official be placed on it? Can this happen without the journalist's knowledge?

"Could one who supports, or opposes, gun rights, be placed on it? Could one who is completing his or her military service be placed on it? Could one who supports, or opposes, abortion, be placed on it? Could one who supports, or opposes, any given legislative program on any issue be placed on it?"

"Lautenberg is opening up to general scrutiny the watch list itself," said Snyder. "As it exists now, its potential for public abuse is incalculable. It's reminiscent of a star chamber. Its current manifestation is absolutely contrary to our American tradition of civil liberty, regardless of the specific political issue involved.

"Rather than give the attorney general the prerogative of placing gun owners or anyone he wants on the watch list, what Congress really needs to do is examine the watch list itself"

A former National Rifle Association magazine editor, Snyder is Public Affairs Director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Treasurer of the Second Amendment Foundation. Shotgun News recently named him the senior rights activist in Washington.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; lautenberg; terror; watch
The left is all for Constitutional Rights... until they interfere with their agenda.
1 posted on 06/24/2009 4:58:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
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2 posted on 06/24/2009 5:01:10 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: jmaroneps37
Perhaps of interest.
3 posted on 06/24/2009 5:01:34 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain

It does sound as if anyone can be denied 2nd amendment rights without due process. Even a public school graduate should understand that...


4 posted on 06/24/2009 5:07:36 AM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: marktwain

If it’s Lautenberg sponsored, he knows what he’s doing. He’s a slimeball, and no friend of the 2nd Amendment.


5 posted on 06/24/2009 5:09:21 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: marktwain
They've used their disgusting double standard to ooze into power, and now they're going to legislate it to stay in power forever. They've dumbed down, propagandized, and hypnotized over half of the electorate, so they're really sitting pretty right about now. But word is getting out.


6 posted on 06/24/2009 6:09:33 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ZOOKER

Like it says, there is a fundamental problem with the list itself. Who is on it? How did they get on it? Who put them on it and why? If you are on the list, why are you on it and how do you get off it?

The list itself is unconstitutional. You can be put on it and forever barred from exercising certain rights with absolutely no legal recourse.


7 posted on 06/24/2009 6:11:46 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: marktwain

It’s a clever plan. Transparent, but clever. Pass this piece of legislative excrement and then put EVERYBODY on the watch list. VOILA! No more Second Amendment.

These anti-Constitutional assaults on our rights and pocketbooks must be stopped. And, it should start with running the career politicians out of DC, beginning with the next election cycle.


8 posted on 06/24/2009 6:15:55 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: marktwain
The Liberal Maxim: "Freedom for me, not for thee."
9 posted on 06/24/2009 6:16:59 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: marktwain
The left is all for Constitutional Rights... until they interfere with their agenda.

Yes, like the non-existent constitutional right to "privacy" in order to chop up a 9 month fetus.

The clearly enumerated right to own a gun, however, they want subject to some nebulus, arbitrary, error ridden, mystery "list" for which there exists no due process for getting on - or even getting off.

10 posted on 06/24/2009 6:21:23 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: PubliusMM
Pass this piece of legislative excrement and then put EVERYBODY on the watch list. VOILA!

Well not everybody. Only political undesireables, like those mentioned on Napolitano's "terrorist" memo.

11 posted on 06/24/2009 6:26:29 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The list itself is unconstitutional if it deprives anyone of life, liberty, or property without due process.

Yep, I’d say that it does. I’d also say that they intend to make it even more egregiously unconstitutional.

With this list, you could be denied through NICS, and not told at all why.


12 posted on 06/24/2009 6:29:13 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: marktwain
Μολὼν λάβε

2A bump

13 posted on 06/24/2009 6:55:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ZOOKER
It does sound as if anyone can be denied 2nd amendment rights without due process.

It's been that way since Clinton's Violence against Woman Act which allowed pissed off wives to have the gov take away hubbies guns. This will just eliminate the middleman(woman)

TC

14 posted on 06/24/2009 8:07:31 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: AAABEST
Prexactly! this kind of crap reminds me of a bunch of kindergarten kids running out of control..and the teacher is freaking out, clueless as to how to rein them in.
15 posted on 06/24/2009 8:31:25 AM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: MrB

I work with a guy who is on the “no fly” list - just for his last name... he doesn’t fly much. His parents were born here and he’s an all american type of guy! (Dallas Cowboys fan in the midst of all the Bills fans here in WNY)

DUE PROCESS IS OUR WAY!!!


16 posted on 06/25/2009 11:53:43 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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