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Alleged Robbers in U.S. Illegally (Killed Denny's Employee)
Albuquerque Journal ^ | June 24, 2009 | Jeff Proctor

Posted on 06/24/2009 1:44:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

Three men who allegedly stormed into a West Side Denny's over the weekend and killed a 34-year-old cook were in the United States illegally, and one had been deported less than a year ago after an arrest. Pablo Ortiz, who police say is a member of the notorious Salvadoran gang MS-13, was arrested in Albuquerque in May 2008 on suspicion of DWI. After a judge found him guilty, Ortiz spent 46 days at the Metropolitan Detention Center. He was released on July 7.

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Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents "put him on a plane and sent him back to El Salvador" in August of 2008, the chief said. "Some time in the next few months, he sneaked back into the country." Federal officials also confirmed that two other suspects in the Denny's shooting are here illegally, but it is unclear whether 22-year-old Marvin Lopez-Aguilar and 25-year-old Francisco Melgar had previously been deported to El Salvador.

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Schultz said in the case of Ortiz's May 2008 arrest, the officer who pulled him over did not contact federal authorities because the officer did not believe his immigration status was pertinent to the DWI investigation.

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The current policy reads: "Officers shall not inquire about or seek proof of a person's immigration status, unless the person is in custody or is a suspect in a criminal investigation for a nonimmigration criminal violation and the immigration status of the person or suspect is pertinent to the criminal investigation."

(Excerpt) Read more at abqjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: amnesty; banglist; democrats; dennys; gangs; illegal; illegals; ms13
Chief of Police states Albuquerque is not a "sanctuary city", but "Immigrant-Friendly"!!!

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1 posted on 06/24/2009 1:44:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...
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2 posted on 06/24/2009 1:45:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If Tehran offered an unclenched fist, Obama would be shaking a bloody hand and calling it good.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Well I hate to say this, but I’ve thought about killing a Denny’s cook a few times myself.


3 posted on 06/24/2009 1:45:52 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: greyfoxx39

Illegals robbing and killing. WHODATHUNKIT.


4 posted on 06/24/2009 1:46:12 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: greyfoxx39
Sneaked back? pls.

Waltzed back is more like it.

5 posted on 06/24/2009 1:47:05 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TADSLOS

Hey, aren’t these guys entitled to amnesty?


6 posted on 06/24/2009 1:47:59 PM PDT by Will we know the moment
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7 posted on 06/24/2009 1:48:38 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: greyfoxx39

Alleged Robbers in Alleged U.S. Allegedly Illegally (Killed Alleged Denny’s Employee)

There - that’s more pc. Don’t want to offend anybody.


8 posted on 06/24/2009 1:48:38 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: greyfoxx39

This time, they should have the Air National Guard C-130 fly them back to El Salvador, and drop them out of the ramp at about 15,000 feet AGL.


9 posted on 06/24/2009 1:49:10 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: greyfoxx39
The illegal criminals are responsible for a large portion of the crime here in central Texas but, you never hear them described as such.
10 posted on 06/24/2009 1:51:14 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Citizens should be able to sue the officials who make stupid laws that cost the lives of American citizens.


11 posted on 06/24/2009 1:52:06 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Chief of Police states Albuquerque is not a “sanctuary city”, but “Immigrant-Friendly”!!! To read the article, click on the “Free Trial” button. No registration required.”

It wasn’t too immigrant friendly to that cook.


12 posted on 06/24/2009 1:52:30 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno
“Chief of Police states Albuquerque is not a “sanctuary city”
What a crock! I am just surprised that 'Mayor Marty' and 'King' Bill Richerdson haven't pushed for the Rail Runner to go all the way down to the border so as to make it easier for the illegals to get here!

13 posted on 06/24/2009 1:57:16 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: greyfoxx39

As my dad used to say, when someone else said “But they just keep coming back!” - “Not if you drive a wooden stake through their heart they don’t!”


14 posted on 06/24/2009 2:17:44 PM PDT by mdk1960
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To: jessduntno

The Chief of Police is a liar then. ABQ and NM is a great place to live but the crime SUX.


15 posted on 06/24/2009 2:18:27 PM PDT by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: greyfoxx39

US officaials “put him on a plane and sent him back to El Salvador”.

Obama’s fault. If our government was serious about the illegal immigration problem these people would be imprisoned for their crimes, not sent back to return and commit more crimes.

Obama is the friend of illegal immigrants.


16 posted on 06/24/2009 2:19:26 PM PDT by FFranco (To be stupid, and selfish, and to have good health are the three requirements for happiness.)
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To: bcsco; Current Occupant; holdonnow; HonestConservative

ping


17 posted on 06/24/2009 2:22:11 PM PDT by AliVeritas ( Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: MAKOTHEDOG

The Chief of Police is a liar then. ABQ and NM is a great place to live but the crime SUX.

I was only in ABQ once, a while ago...got stuck in a freak snow storm on a cross country motorcycle trip and was NOT ready for it...I think it was May...waited out the storm all day in a local diner downtown...real nice folks...I thiught it would probably be a good place to live...that was a long time ago, though and I guess it’s like alot of our cities, getting taken over by thugs...


18 posted on 06/24/2009 2:26:11 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: greyfoxx39
IMO, the only rehabilitation or treatment for anyone found wearing a MS-13 tattoo is 115 grains of Pb/Cu -- administered intracranially via the foramen magnum, and followed by a buzzard feast in the desert.
19 posted on 06/24/2009 2:29:13 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Redleg Duke

Delivery in a small box after death!!


20 posted on 06/24/2009 2:31:26 PM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristote)
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To: greyfoxx39

Now the Chief and city administration has blood on his/their hands. Way to go dude! IDIOT.


21 posted on 06/24/2009 2:35:11 PM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: jessduntno

It is a great place to live but for the crime. Also, it isn’t motorcycle friendly which is not good because I ride too. There are too many crazy drivers. It seems weird to say but it is the truth. I am not the only one who thinks that way.

it is the crime and nobody seems to understand what to do about here.

I used to live in Boise and this would never happen there. Cops shoot to kill there :-)


22 posted on 06/24/2009 2:50:57 PM PDT by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: greyfoxx39
Seperated at birth maybe? I'll let you decide.

23 posted on 06/24/2009 3:00:35 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: MAKOTHEDOG

“I used to live in Boise and this would never happen there. Cops shoot to kill there :-)”

Small world...my Dad grew up in Boise...been there a few times, but not lately...right about them not taking any bullshit up there, though...I might end up there, the way things are headed...please tell me it’s still one of the last normal places left?


24 posted on 06/24/2009 3:01:05 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Allegra
Alleged Robbers in U.S. Illegally (Killed Denny's Employee)

Damn speed reading.

Here I thought it was you that did this.

25 posted on 06/24/2009 3:03:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: greyfoxx39

Oh! Oh! These guys are in trouble now. They will be facing capital deportation to life.


26 posted on 06/24/2009 3:13:18 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: jessduntno

I would go back in a heartbeat. It is on mind. It is pretty cool you have been there.


27 posted on 06/24/2009 3:13:33 PM PDT by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: evets
Good photo - one for my files.

Lessee, in 1847 the border between Mexico and the U.S. looked exactly the same for hundreds of miles in each direction.

We turned our side into a generator of wealth and prosperity. You turned yours into a corrupt crime-ridden hellhole.

And now you want to do the same with "ARE" side?

28 posted on 06/24/2009 3:39:32 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: mdk1960

>As my dad used to say, when someone else said “But they just keep coming back!” - “Not if you drive a wooden stake through their heart they don’t!”

LOL - Awesome quote.


30 posted on 06/24/2009 7:59:37 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; ...
In the Albuquerque Journal today....."Denny's suspects had N.M. identification. Two of the three suspects in the fatal armed takeover of a West Side Denny's had New Mexico driver's licenses, renewing a debate over the state's relatively lenient policy."

Relatively lenient? "SCOFF"!

As it stands, a hodgepodge of laws govern whether illegal immigrants can lawfully drive in the United States. Ten states (Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin) do not require license applicants to demonstrate that they are lawfully present in the United States, in effect granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Most of those states do require applicants to present an identification card issued by their home country.

Five other states provide special licenses with distinguishing features for non-citizens. South Dakota is the only state that - without exception -- requires all license applicants to give a Social Security number, which many illegal immigrants do not have. The others accept a patchwork of identification combinations. Some accept a taxpayer identification number issued by the Internal Revenue Service in lieu of a social security number.

New Mexico last year became the latest state to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, and officials say the change has helped contribute to a drop in the state's uninsured rate, which in December of 2002 was 33 percent the highest in the nation and now is 17 percent. Insurance premiums also have dropped in that state and fewer people are fleeing accident scenes, according to Moran of the National Immigration Law Center. Almost 14,000 of the state's estimated 150,000 illegal immigrants have obtained licenses in the past year.

Link

31 posted on 06/25/2009 8:49:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If Tehran offered an unclenched fist, Obama would be shaking a bloody hand and calling it good.)
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To: greyfoxx39

That’s strange. When I went to get my NM DL a few years back, I had to provide two proofs of residence, my DL from my prior state, my BC and SS Card. Oh, wait, I’m the wrong “type.”


32 posted on 06/25/2009 9:09:54 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m serious. People who are affected (like the family of this poor woman) should sue those responsible for allowing illegal aliens to be here in such numbers. I realize they won’t win, but it would bring this issue out *from the shadows*.


33 posted on 06/25/2009 9:47:22 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: greyfoxx39
"...Relatively lenient? "SCOFF"!..."

Well sure. Next to just buying them cars and chauferring them from crime scene to crime scene, letting them basically have NMDL's on a whim actually does look relatively lenient in comparison.

34 posted on 06/25/2009 9:56:15 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: IYAS9YAS
"...That’s strange. When I went to get my NM DL a few years back, I had to provide two proofs of residence, my DL from my prior state, my BC and SS Card. Oh, wait, I’m the wrong “type.”..."

What, your name doesn't end with "Z"?

35 posted on 06/25/2009 9:58:18 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
What, your name doesn't end with "Z"?

I was thinking more along the lines of Natural Born Citizen.

Many of our legal, natural born citizens here in NM, who happen to have names that end in "z", are also very much against giving illegals a NM DL. Unfortunately, I think they are now in the minority...

36 posted on 06/25/2009 10:26:35 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: IYAS9YAS
Many?? In my experience from growing up Anglo in Northeren NM, most of the local Hispanos, who I suppose correctly consider themselves the descendents of the Conquistadores, pretty much loathe "Los Pinches Mojados".

I know my sister-in-law's family from Abiquiu certainly does. Try calling them Mexican and you'll have a real fight on your hands. They're "Spanish".

My good buddy from Cordova once told me: "We only let the Mojados come here so the fat chicks can get laid too".

37 posted on 06/25/2009 1:58:36 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Many?? In my experience from growing up Anglo in Northeren NM, most of the local Hispanos, who I suppose correctly consider themselves the descendents of the Conquistadores, pretty much loathe "Los Pinches Mojados".

That's been my experience since moving here. Woe be unto he who calls a long-time local a "Mexican." I learned that long ago when I was a kid, and I didn't even grow up in NM.

38 posted on 06/25/2009 2:08:38 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: greyfoxx39
".....Ten states (Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin) do not require license applicants to demonstrate that they are lawfully present in the United States....

Of course since our governor is sort of a 'reverse anchor baby' himself, who grew up in Mexico and owes his psychic allegiance to Mexico, rather than the USA, it is no wonder that he embraces illegal immigration.

However, I have no idea what excuse those other nine states have for their policies to legitimize the illegal.

39 posted on 06/25/2009 3:45:02 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: conservativeharleyguy
My good buddy from Cordova once told me: "We only let the Mojados come here so the fat chicks can get laid too".

You owe me a keyboard!

Seriously, I grew up in southern CO where the local Hispanics were mostly descendants of the original Spanish, and very classy and mostly well-off.

40 posted on 06/25/2009 4:02:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If Tehran offered an unclenched fist, Obama would be shaking a bloody hand and calling it good.)
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To: IYAS9YAS; CedarDave
Remember folks, the mother of cop-killer Astorga, (Story Here) along with another relative worked at the MVD and had a scam going during which they were selling driver's licenses.

Here's an article from the Tribune in 2007 regarding this driver's license subject:

"Brickbat: ID mojo

We want to tread a fine line here, because both the Democrats and the GOP are trying to make political hay out of the issue of providing New Mexico driver's licenses to foreign nationals.

State Motor Vehicle Division Director Ken Ortiz is understandably pleased with the results of a recent audit by the state Department of Taxation and Revenue. The audit of 30,000 New Mexico driver's licenses issued to foreign nationals since 2003 showed that 65 raised questions - and 21 so far have had to be canceled because of identification problems. The rest need further scrutiny.

The audit was ordered by Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson, after the GOP began challenging the licensing in the Legislature and in court, arguing New Mexico isn't being stringent enough about verifying IDs. The audit appears to show the current system - at the least - could be a lot worse.

The problem we have is with Ortiz's reaction: "We feel very confident with our numbers; we think it's very successful. We're doing everything we can to verify people are who say they are."

Well, maybe not.

In this border state, in these post-9/11 times, when terrorists as well as undocumented workers have the motivation to sneak into the United States, when all sorts of scammers - including methamphetamine abusers - are practicing identity theft to raise money, in which buildings have been robbed of MVD driver's license blanks and processing equipment, in which MVD employees - such as accused murderer Michael Astorga's mother - have been suspected of issuing fake licenses to people, it's probably a good idea to be a lot more pessimistic than Ortiz lets on.

It is to New Mexico's and the nation's benefit to find that issuing 65 questionable driver's licenses is unacceptable, that 21 cancellations are far too many, and that there's a lot more the state can do to verify people are who they say they are. Let's not leave well enough alone."

Wanna bet someone else is issuing those fake licenses in Astorga's place?

41 posted on 06/25/2009 4:14:52 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If Tehran offered an unclenched fist, Obama would be shaking a bloody hand and calling it good.)
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