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Did Obama Say We Should Kill the Old Folks to Save Money Last Night?
Publius' Forum ^ | 6/25/09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 06/25/2009 6:13:35 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

I am wondering when the euthanasia folks are going to start touting this one? I mean, it sure seemed to me as if the most caring, most civil, most intelligent president evah just said that healthcare could be cheaper if we don't give old folks and the infirm the full measure of care they now get. It appeared that Obama said we should just let them die or suffer because they aren't worth the effort. Imagine if Bush had said something like this? The left wouldn't have hesitated to call him any manner of names.

Obama said during the ABC Special on Wednesday night that a way to save healthcare costs is to abandon the sort of care that "evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve" the patient's health. He went on to say that he had personal familiarity with such a situation when his grandmother broke her hip after she was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Obama offered a question on the efficacy of further care for his grandmother saying, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?"

But who is it that will present the "evidence" that will "show" that further care is futile? Are we to believe that Obama expects individual doctors will make that decision in his bold new government controlled healthcare future? If he is trying to make that claim it is a flat out untruth and he knows it...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abc; abcnews; barackobama; bho44; bhohealthcare; bhoinfomercial; elderly; euthanasia; healthcare
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It sure seems like he just said let's gak all the old folks, didn't it??
1 posted on 06/25/2009 6:13:36 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

just about.............


2 posted on 06/25/2009 6:15:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Yes. That is what he said. Obama does have much use for old people or babies.


3 posted on 06/25/2009 6:15:54 AM PDT by KansasGirl (I still think Obama is just plain creepy.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Social Security reform, Democrat style.


4 posted on 06/25/2009 6:16:05 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

We old folks might have a different plan..to get rid of Zero long before he gets rid of us.


5 posted on 06/25/2009 6:16:51 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Mobile Vulgus

When he says this, he is speaking for large majorities his age and younger. You see, that group doesn’t think it will ever age but be eternally youthful. People in the USA are truly “nuts” to be kind.


6 posted on 06/25/2009 6:17:19 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Eugenics, abort them on the front, kill them off as they age ... Live in a "Soylent Green" paradise.

Yes this is what they are talking about. I guess he thinks Americans are Kenyan heathens.

7 posted on 06/25/2009 6:18:47 AM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
The New Stasi (formerly known as ACORN) guards geriatric clinic. Elderly shooed away told to 'Do us all a favor and go home and die'.


8 posted on 06/25/2009 6:19:41 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Theodore R.

Ironic isn’t it, that the baby Boomers who said “don’t trust anyone over 30” will bear the brunt of the new youth’s carrying out their own plan?


9 posted on 06/25/2009 6:20:19 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Oldexpat

It will be interesting to watch the voting demographics on this in the future. Typically seniors are a strong voting bloc. And often fooled by the Democrat adverts to make Social Security “safe for seniors” and Medicare “rock solid”.

If Republicans have any brains at all, they should grab this Obama fumble and start running for the goal line.


10 posted on 06/25/2009 6:20:37 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Are we to believe that Obama expects individual doctors will make that decision in his bold new government controlled healthcare future?

obama may say that, and the doctors might make that decision, but they will find out the medical czar will not approve the procedure, so it is not done. Happens all the time now, between doctors and insurance companies.

11 posted on 06/25/2009 6:21:29 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Soylent Greenies!


12 posted on 06/25/2009 6:21:40 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldexpat; Mobile Vulgus

Y’ know?...If any civilian had said something like that about His Lowliness the Dope, the black helicopters and MIB would be swarming said civilian’s house.

I hope he keeps it up. His hoof and mouth disease will catch up with him soon, I suspect.

Then I’ll treat all the FReepers to popcorn while we all sit back and watch the movie.


13 posted on 06/25/2009 6:21:42 AM PDT by Monkey Face (RUN, SARAH, RUN! ~~ (Borrowed from redhead))
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Again with his f_cking grandmother.

STFU

FUBO

14 posted on 06/25/2009 6:22:30 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Mobile Vulgus

No of course not. He just wants to relieve the pain of families by taking those painful decisions out of family hands.

Its so much easier when a bureaucrat decides what number lives and what number dies. Kinda like the old star trek episode where computers ran the war and people reported to extermination facilities.


15 posted on 06/25/2009 6:24:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: SERKIT

These two are just begging for a .50 caliber attitude adjustment.

16 posted on 06/25/2009 6:25:25 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They want the Baby Boomers to die off quickly.

We will bankrupt the system even without government healthcare.

And abortion worked so well, we killed off over fifty million potential taxpayaers plus at least 10 million kids who would have been born to those aborted between 1973 and 1992.

They have already looted almost half our wealth between money lost in stocks, IRAs, pension plans and 401 Ks.

They must as well shoot for the rest.


17 posted on 06/25/2009 6:25:36 AM PDT by exit82 (Be vigilant--what is happening on Iran's streets may yet happen here in America.)
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To: Oldexpat

A silver haired march on D.C. might be just the ticket. Senior citizens are much more feisty when they are riled than the me, me, me younger generations. Wed. night’s ramblings by Obama might just be his Waterloo.


18 posted on 06/25/2009 6:25:56 AM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Oldexpat
We old folks might have a different plan..to get rid of Zero long before he gets rid of us.

It's past time for him to go.....

19 posted on 06/25/2009 6:29:01 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Taglines are so last year.....)
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To: Yankee

It’s always all about me....


20 posted on 06/25/2009 6:33:33 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: massgopguy

What one generation condones, the next practices.


21 posted on 06/25/2009 6:33:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Just plain spooky...When will the MSM turn and start asking questions....


22 posted on 06/25/2009 6:39:16 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: Theodore R.

It’s what happens when people are brainwashed into a ‘now’ mentality.


23 posted on 06/25/2009 6:40:38 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?”

NO. The question was, WHO DECIDES.

Madelyn Dunham God rest her soul, made her own decision.

Her distant grandson (who expressed “joy” at her death), would obviously have made a different decision- such decisions being well within “his” paygrade.

No one had the balls to ask Obama WHO PAID for his grandmother’s hip replacement and whether Michelle’s mother will be denied a hip replacement if she enters the same situation and “he” is making the decision..


24 posted on 06/25/2009 6:40:38 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Don’t hold your breath to see this covered in AARP Magazine. They are strong Democrat supporters.


25 posted on 06/25/2009 6:40:49 AM PDT by two-edged-sword (Give me Liberty, not Debt!)
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To: exit82

Yes, this is directed at the Boomers. We have paid insane and ever rising Social Security for decades, our parents (who paid little and sometimes nothing in SS) have gotten the mega-money payback from it, and way too many of us just foolishly assumed it would be the same for us, particularly with all that we paid into it. But it’s not going to work that way.

And people who looked for other strategies, such as IRAs, etc. have seen that taken away from them, too.

So I guess we’re supposed to do our last day of work, hand the gold watch off to the next person in line, and make a beeline for Dr. Kevorkian’s office.


26 posted on 06/25/2009 6:40:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: DJ MacWoW

bump


27 posted on 06/25/2009 6:40:57 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Did Obama Say We Should Kill the Old Folks to Save Money Last Night?

Not in so many words, but I think he made it pretty clear to those who were actually listening, that that is the road he his heading down with his plan" to lower health care costs.

28 posted on 06/25/2009 6:43:16 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Obama is merely reading from the playbook that Tom Daschle started, which clearly stated that doctors in America need to follow the European model and be able to accept a "hopeless diagnosis", especially with the elderly. They also said that old people need to "accept" the pains and problems that come with age and not necessarily to expect expensive therapies to relieve the inevitable.

In other words, Grandma won't get the hip replacement, and Grandpa won't get expensive meds. All you old people need to accept that you're dying. We have a vast new beaurocracy to pay for.

29 posted on 06/25/2009 6:44:12 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: massgopguy

Now that you mention it, yes, it is quite ironic.


30 posted on 06/25/2009 6:44:58 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

If you look at the demographics of who lives a long time, it is overwhelmingly white and asian. The blacks die very early.


31 posted on 06/25/2009 6:47:11 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: exit82
They want the Baby Boomers to die off quickly.

This is true. But an even bigger threat are the seniors 60, 70, and older who can tell truths about the freedoms that are now lost, but were plentiful when we/they were growing up.

An America very unlike todays amerika.

32 posted on 06/25/2009 6:49:25 AM PDT by Budge (CJ in TX & pillut48 - God help us all, and God help America. My new mantra for the next 4 years.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“kill” is such a harsh word ... Let’s say, they will leave us
on ice floes without fire, or without water in the desert.


33 posted on 06/25/2009 6:58:58 AM PDT by tumblindice (What is this thing called, love?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

AND.....there’s the added bonus of less Social Security payments when the old folks die off sooner rather than later. Nobody talks about that but I’m sure it’s part of the plan.


34 posted on 06/25/2009 6:59:06 AM PDT by Texan
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Been teelin ya’ll that for years. If they win, you die.


35 posted on 06/25/2009 7:03:00 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Hmmm.....

Let me say this: First: I’m a “commonsense-i-tarian” , which puts me at odds with some here.
Second: I have had some “hands on experience” with the issues raised by “Publius”.

My late wife passed away in March,2007 from ovarian cancer: a disease that is well known to be an 85% killer of women in otherwise excellent health, who receive prompt, skillful medical intervention.

Before she went in for her operation, an eye doctor-well aware of her condition-persuaded her to undergo laser surgery to remove cataracts on her eyes.

After her operation,following a long period of nursing home and home care, this 130 lb. woman, who had dwindled down to a mere 80 pounds, was told by her cancer surgeon she should undergo chemotherapy.

Doubting her ability to withstand such a torturous procedure,I persuaded her to get a second opinion ; and, in due time a second oncologist examined her as she sat there near death, and said : “Oh yes ! The sooner the better ! Let’s arrange to have a (chemo) port put in.”

The hospital he sent her to said: “Hey ! This woman is dying. We can’t put a port in her !” (Finally, a bit of medical ethics !)

She proved them right 4 days later - but only after enduring almost a day of agony - caused by an ethically challenged respiratory specialist who insisted on intubating her without benefit of anesthesia. (He thought it might interfere with her circulation.)

That’s my experience, and,push comes to shove,I’ll bet there are some of you who have had similar experiences with the Medical establishment.

Apart from your understandable dislike of Obama, how do you REALLY feel about medical procedures that do nothing for the dying-but fatten the purses of establishment members ?


36 posted on 06/25/2009 7:10:41 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Mobile Vulgus

And at what point are we considered “old”? 60? 50?


37 posted on 06/25/2009 7:11:08 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Sender

Hey, we’re all dying from the moment of conception. If the good care is given to the young, then it will prolong their lives so they can live longer, and then there will be more old people to take care of in the future. So why give good care to anyone?


38 posted on 06/25/2009 7:16:17 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: mrmeangenes

Could you not have told the respiratory specialist ‘No’?
Could you not have refused any of these treatments if you did not want them? I mean you and your late wife.

And, my deepest sympathies. I have lost many family members to that horrible disease. May she rest in eternal peace.


39 posted on 06/25/2009 7:18:05 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Read the fine print of Obamacare.

Government bureaucrats will be making health care decisions for you and your loved ones.

They will be determine who gets treatment and who doesn't.
They will decide who lives and who dies.

40 posted on 06/25/2009 7:21:51 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I hope all the lib boomers that voted for him heard it loud and clear.


41 posted on 06/25/2009 7:22:56 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Mobile Vulgus

That was an interesting comment by the usurper last night. It did seem at the time that he wasn’t too tore up when the woman who raised him passed away. In fact it was probably a relief to BHO that whatever secrets she had about him went away forever.


42 posted on 06/25/2009 7:28:01 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The political elite (democrats) will not be subjected to medical rationing no matter what their age.


43 posted on 06/25/2009 7:34:29 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: squarebarb

As to the respiratory guy, I was finally able to lay hands on our “living wills” and bring them in,so we could get sedation.

As to refusal of treatment,how do you tell a loved one she “can’t” have something she believes might help her - even when you know otherwise going in ?


44 posted on 06/25/2009 7:48:11 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: SERKIT

Yikes! Is that in Philly as it looks like uh-bama’s thugs at the voting polls last Nov?


45 posted on 06/25/2009 7:54:30 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Yes he did, and will.


46 posted on 06/25/2009 7:55:11 AM PDT by dforest (Anyone dumb enough to have voted for him deserves what they get.. No Pity!)
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To: newfreep

Yes, a little contrivance to make a point....


47 posted on 06/25/2009 7:57:41 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Yankee
"These two are just begging for a .50 caliber attitude adjustment."

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48 posted on 06/25/2009 8:02:29 AM PDT by USAF70 (America is not 'governed' by the President or Congress. America is governed by the U.S.Constitution.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Okay bottom line is this guy is an asshole.

I take care of a friend who is 99 next week. For 20 years she has been my date to the ballet, dinners and someone I talk to and visit with.

When at the ballet gala's we danced and I love her. Though she is some 60 years my senior. If you met her, you couldn't help but be infected by her humor and amazed at her energy.

2 years ago she fell and broke her hip. She had a fine surgeon and he put 4 pins in to help it heal.

Unfortunately, the pins came loose and they operated for the 2nd time and removed them. Life is great and we are thinking she is just so strong.

Unfortunately, when you open the body you risk infection. She got MRSA.

They gave her antibiotics and we watched her for 3 months. The MRSA deteriorated the ball of her femur so they cut it off. They also scraped off what was left of her infection and continued the antibiotics. That was the 3rd operation in 9 months.

For the next 3 three months she walked, using a walker, with no ball to go in her hip socket. The pain was excruciating.

Nearly one year to the day, she had her fourth operation. They opened her up looked around the bone to ensure there was no artifact infection. Seeing none they proceeded to replace her hip.

The operation took just 1 hour. Fantastic. Here we are nearly 1 1/2 years later and she is doing great. She has to use a walker but she is strong as ever.

A very high spirited woman who never let the bastards get her down and always sees the sun or waits for the rainbow.

Imagine. You are 97 you break your hip and it requires 4 operations to fix it and it works!

Glory to God and the finest surgeons and the teams he had helping him. Additionally, you would not find more caring nurses. She spent nearly 6 months in the hospital off and on.

Today she lives in “her house” with her cat. No one tells her what to do and she goes everywhere. And I mean everywhere. From Florida to Mexico. Dinners at restaurants, where she orders her own food. The Ballet and Gala's, where we dance once again. Her family visits her all the time and she goes to see them.

She is loved and valued by her family and friends.

At 99 she is truly blessed and lives a full life.

And the price tag or value of her to us and us to her?

FUBO!

49 posted on 06/25/2009 8:04:13 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: mrmeangenes

Sorry about your wife and your loss of a friend


50 posted on 06/25/2009 8:06:39 AM PDT by Vendome
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