Skip to comments.Did Obama Say We Should Kill the Old Folks to Save Money Last Night?
Posted on 06/25/2009 6:13:35 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
I am wondering when the euthanasia folks are going to start touting this one? I mean, it sure seemed to me as if the most caring, most civil, most intelligent president evah just said that healthcare could be cheaper if we don't give old folks and the infirm the full measure of care they now get. It appeared that Obama said we should just let them die or suffer because they aren't worth the effort. Imagine if Bush had said something like this? The left wouldn't have hesitated to call him any manner of names.
Obama said during the ABC Special on Wednesday night that a way to save healthcare costs is to abandon the sort of care that "evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve" the patient's health. He went on to say that he had personal familiarity with such a situation when his grandmother broke her hip after she was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
Obama offered a question on the efficacy of further care for his grandmother saying, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?"
But who is it that will present the "evidence" that will "show" that further care is futile? Are we to believe that Obama expects individual doctors will make that decision in his bold new government controlled healthcare future? If he is trying to make that claim it is a flat out untruth and he knows it...
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Yes. That is what he said. Obama does have much use for old people or babies.
Social Security reform, Democrat style.
We old folks might have a different plan..to get rid of Zero long before he gets rid of us.
When he says this, he is speaking for large majorities his age and younger. You see, that group doesn’t think it will ever age but be eternally youthful. People in the USA are truly “nuts” to be kind.
Yes this is what they are talking about. I guess he thinks Americans are Kenyan heathens.
Ironic isn’t it, that the baby Boomers who said “don’t trust anyone over 30” will bear the brunt of the new youth’s carrying out their own plan?
It will be interesting to watch the voting demographics on this in the future. Typically seniors are a strong voting bloc. And often fooled by the Democrat adverts to make Social Security “safe for seniors” and Medicare “rock solid”.
If Republicans have any brains at all, they should grab this Obama fumble and start running for the goal line.
obama may say that, and the doctors might make that decision, but they will find out the medical czar will not approve the procedure, so it is not done. Happens all the time now, between doctors and insurance companies.
Y’ know?...If any civilian had said something like that about His Lowliness the Dope, the black helicopters and MIB would be swarming said civilian’s house.
I hope he keeps it up. His hoof and mouth disease will catch up with him soon, I suspect.
Then I’ll treat all the FReepers to popcorn while we all sit back and watch the movie.
No of course not. He just wants to relieve the pain of families by taking those painful decisions out of family hands.
Its so much easier when a bureaucrat decides what number lives and what number dies. Kinda like the old star trek episode where computers ran the war and people reported to extermination facilities.
These two are just begging for a .50 caliber attitude adjustment.
They want the Baby Boomers to die off quickly.
We will bankrupt the system even without government healthcare.
And abortion worked so well, we killed off over fifty million potential taxpayaers plus at least 10 million kids who would have been born to those aborted between 1973 and 1992.
They have already looted almost half our wealth between money lost in stocks, IRAs, pension plans and 401 Ks.
They must as well shoot for the rest.
A silver haired march on D.C. might be just the ticket. Senior citizens are much more feisty when they are riled than the me, me, me younger generations. Wed. night’s ramblings by Obama might just be his Waterloo.
It's past time for him to go.....
It’s always all about me....
What one generation condones, the next practices.
Just plain spooky...When will the MSM turn and start asking questions....
It’s what happens when people are brainwashed into a ‘now’ mentality.
“and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?”
NO. The question was, WHO DECIDES.
Madelyn Dunham God rest her soul, made her own decision.
Her distant grandson (who expressed “joy” at her death), would obviously have made a different decision- such decisions being well within “his” paygrade.
No one had the balls to ask Obama WHO PAID for his grandmother’s hip replacement and whether Michelle’s mother will be denied a hip replacement if she enters the same situation and “he” is making the decision..
Don’t hold your breath to see this covered in AARP Magazine. They are strong Democrat supporters.
Yes, this is directed at the Boomers. We have paid insane and ever rising Social Security for decades, our parents (who paid little and sometimes nothing in SS) have gotten the mega-money payback from it, and way too many of us just foolishly assumed it would be the same for us, particularly with all that we paid into it. But it’s not going to work that way.
And people who looked for other strategies, such as IRAs, etc. have seen that taken away from them, too.
So I guess we’re supposed to do our last day of work, hand the gold watch off to the next person in line, and make a beeline for Dr. Kevorkian’s office.
Not in so many words, but I think he made it pretty clear to those who were actually listening, that that is the road he his heading down with his plan" to lower health care costs.
In other words, Grandma won't get the hip replacement, and Grandpa won't get expensive meds. All you old people need to accept that you're dying. We have a vast new beaurocracy to pay for.
Now that you mention it, yes, it is quite ironic.
If you look at the demographics of who lives a long time, it is overwhelmingly white and asian. The blacks die very early.
This is true. But an even bigger threat are the seniors 60, 70, and older who can tell truths about the freedoms that are now lost, but were plentiful when we/they were growing up.
An America very unlike todays amerika.
“kill” is such a harsh word ... Let’s say, they will leave us
on ice floes without fire, or without water in the desert.
AND.....there’s the added bonus of less Social Security payments when the old folks die off sooner rather than later. Nobody talks about that but I’m sure it’s part of the plan.
Been teelin ya’ll that for years. If they win, you die.
Let me say this: First: I’m a “commonsense-i-tarian” , which puts me at odds with some here.
Second: I have had some “hands on experience” with the issues raised by “Publius”.
My late wife passed away in March,2007 from ovarian cancer: a disease that is well known to be an 85% killer of women in otherwise excellent health, who receive prompt, skillful medical intervention.
Before she went in for her operation, an eye doctor-well aware of her condition-persuaded her to undergo laser surgery to remove cataracts on her eyes.
After her operation,following a long period of nursing home and home care, this 130 lb. woman, who had dwindled down to a mere 80 pounds, was told by her cancer surgeon she should undergo chemotherapy.
Doubting her ability to withstand such a torturous procedure,I persuaded her to get a second opinion ; and, in due time a second oncologist examined her as she sat there near death, and said : “Oh yes ! The sooner the better ! Let’s arrange to have a (chemo) port put in.”
The hospital he sent her to said: “Hey ! This woman is dying. We can’t put a port in her !” (Finally, a bit of medical ethics !)
She proved them right 4 days later - but only after enduring almost a day of agony - caused by an ethically challenged respiratory specialist who insisted on intubating her without benefit of anesthesia. (He thought it might interfere with her circulation.)
That’s my experience, and,push comes to shove,I’ll bet there are some of you who have had similar experiences with the Medical establishment.
Apart from your understandable dislike of Obama, how do you REALLY feel about medical procedures that do nothing for the dying-but fatten the purses of establishment members ?
And at what point are we considered “old”? 60? 50?
Hey, we’re all dying from the moment of conception. If the good care is given to the young, then it will prolong their lives so they can live longer, and then there will be more old people to take care of in the future. So why give good care to anyone?
Could you not have told the respiratory specialist ‘No’?
Could you not have refused any of these treatments if you did not want them? I mean you and your late wife.
And, my deepest sympathies. I have lost many family members to that horrible disease. May she rest in eternal peace.
Government bureaucrats will be making health care decisions for you and your loved ones.
They will be determine who gets treatment and who doesn't.
They will decide who lives and who dies.
I hope all the lib boomers that voted for him heard it loud and clear.
That was an interesting comment by the usurper last night. It did seem at the time that he wasn’t too tore up when the woman who raised him passed away. In fact it was probably a relief to BHO that whatever secrets she had about him went away forever.
The political elite (democrats) will not be subjected to medical rationing no matter what their age.
As to the respiratory guy, I was finally able to lay hands on our “living wills” and bring them in,so we could get sedation.
As to refusal of treatment,how do you tell a loved one she “can’t” have something she believes might help her - even when you know otherwise going in ?
Yikes! Is that in Philly as it looks like uh-bama’s thugs at the voting polls last Nov?
Yes he did, and will.
Yes, a little contrivance to make a point....
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I take care of a friend who is 99 next week. For 20 years she has been my date to the ballet, dinners and someone I talk to and visit with.
When at the ballet gala's we danced and I love her. Though she is some 60 years my senior. If you met her, you couldn't help but be infected by her humor and amazed at her energy.
2 years ago she fell and broke her hip. She had a fine surgeon and he put 4 pins in to help it heal.
Unfortunately, the pins came loose and they operated for the 2nd time and removed them. Life is great and we are thinking she is just so strong.
Unfortunately, when you open the body you risk infection. She got MRSA.
They gave her antibiotics and we watched her for 3 months. The MRSA deteriorated the ball of her femur so they cut it off. They also scraped off what was left of her infection and continued the antibiotics. That was the 3rd operation in 9 months.
For the next 3 three months she walked, using a walker, with no ball to go in her hip socket. The pain was excruciating.
Nearly one year to the day, she had her fourth operation. They opened her up looked around the bone to ensure there was no artifact infection. Seeing none they proceeded to replace her hip.
The operation took just 1 hour. Fantastic. Here we are nearly 1 1/2 years later and she is doing great. She has to use a walker but she is strong as ever.
A very high spirited woman who never let the bastards get her down and always sees the sun or waits for the rainbow.
Imagine. You are 97 you break your hip and it requires 4 operations to fix it and it works!
Glory to God and the finest surgeons and the teams he had helping him. Additionally, you would not find more caring nurses. She spent nearly 6 months in the hospital off and on.
Today she lives in “her house” with her cat. No one tells her what to do and she goes everywhere. And I mean everywhere. From Florida to Mexico. Dinners at restaurants, where she orders her own food. The Ballet and Gala's, where we dance once again. Her family visits her all the time and she goes to see them.
She is loved and valued by her family and friends.
At 99 she is truly blessed and lives a full life.
And the price tag or value of her to us and us to her?
Sorry about your wife and your loss of a friend