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Blame the Christians!
Pajamas Media ^ | June 25 | Frank J. Fleming

Posted on 06/25/2009 9:21:40 AM PDT by AJKauf

As we watch the horrors in Iran, it makes us wonder if anything like that could happen in America. In Iran, the mullahs control everything and feel justified in any injustice they commit because of a belief in the rightness of their own actions. Is there anyone like that here?

In an answer to that question, Frank Schaeffer wrote a column for the Huffington Post entitled “The Real Lesson of Iran — Beware America’s Republican Mullahs.” Reading it and the comments to it, I came to a realization: people who think the religious right are just like Iranian mullahs are just like Iranian mullahs.

The article is pretty creepy. Schaeffer makes reference to “neocons” by the second sentence, which already raises flags, as it seems it’s getting hard these days for anyone to use that word and not be a crank. And the whole premise is quite disturbing. The author has seen all the horrors of people being brutalized and murdered over just wanting their voices heard, and he comes to the conclusion that his completely unrelated political opponents — Republicans — are very bad.

It takes a certain kind of sociopath to witness great tragedy and then turn back to his narrow political talking points completely unaffected. It’s pretty much the same as seeing someone brutally murdered in the street and saying, “This is why we need to change subsidies on corn farming.”...

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christians; mullahs; religiousleft; schaeffer

1 posted on 06/25/2009 9:21:40 AM PDT by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

Beware the collectivist gun-grabbers. Democrat elitists are our mullahs and ACORN is their baseej.


2 posted on 06/25/2009 9:22:32 AM PDT by SolidWood (Down with the islamic regime! Freedom for Iran!)
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To: AJKauf

Lol.. The Huffblow Post...


3 posted on 06/25/2009 9:23:10 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: AJKauf

Absolute complete denial about Obama. He is the dictator/Mullah.


4 posted on 06/25/2009 9:23:21 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: AJKauf
Oh yes, it's Christians, don't you know, that will be axing, shooting, and pouring chemicals on people because they are protesting. </s>
5 posted on 06/25/2009 9:26:21 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: AJKauf

Frank Schaeffer wrote a column for the Huffington Post entitled “The Real Lesson of Iran — Beware America’s Republican Mullahs.”

But I guess he is okay with Mullah Obama running everyuthing and trying tocontroleverything and verybody.......


6 posted on 06/25/2009 9:41:02 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: AJKauf

What we see happening in Iran can happen here, and will *most likely* happen here, in just one generation...

That evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam and the way of implementing it by Sharia law is already making inroads right here in this country. We’re about to see a “takeover” of the U.S. by the evil and oppressive idealogy of the government of Islam (that is aiming for world-wide conquest and has stated that the U.S. is *on its list* to take over...)

And for those people who need some additional facts about what the evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam is doing, look at some of the following.

There’s no question about it... the enemy is *Islam* itself and the evil and oppressive and false idealogy that it perpetrates. Some say the problem is “fascism” (instead of the basic oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam, itself). But, that is to engage in “political correctness” and nothing more... and sidetracks people from the *true enemy* in this war.

In one generation we’ll see, right here in the United States that “Islam” is the enemy and not “fascism”...

Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

and also, this...

Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781

and then, looking at this...

“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts


7 posted on 06/25/2009 9:43:55 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: Islaminaction

You said — Absolute complete denial about Obama. He is the dictator/Mullah.

Actually, I think it’s a *disservice* to people to indicate that the problem is Obama. He’s not really the big problem, at the bottom of it all.

The real and *big* problem for this country is the infiltration of the evil and oppressive idealogy of the governing of Islam over everyone’s lives, from social values and what is accepted and done to laws to governmental policies to the government itself.

I’m afraid if people focus on Obama, then they’ll miss the huge elephant in the room — the evil and oppressive government idealogy of Islam.


8 posted on 06/25/2009 9:46:31 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: AJKauf
Frank Schaeffer is a pseudo-intellectual nut. Always has been, even when he was on "our" side, and always will be. He used to labor in the shadow of his famous father, Francis Schaeffer, and it seems that the last few years he's been laboring to distance himself from everything the old man stood for. I read some of his books when he was a "leader" of the Religious Right, and they were just angry rants. I always pictured him with smoke coming out of his ears and fire coming from his eyes as he pounded the hell out of a typewriter.

He became an Orthodox Christian some years back, and managed to get himself involved in controversy right off the bat. Before the chrism had hardly dried on his forehead, he presumed to lecture the Orthodox Church on what it needed to do. I'm Orthodox too, and will pray for my co-religionist, but I'm not going to read what he writes or listen to what he says.

He caused a bit of a stir (more of a ripple, really) with his support for Obama during the campaign, rationalizing away Obama's being in the bag with the abortion racket, which has to have Francis Schaeffer spinning in his grave.

9 posted on 06/25/2009 9:46:38 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: Star Traveler

I never said that Obama is the problem with Iran.

Huff Post said that Republicans/Christian leaders are like the Mullahs. I was merely pointing out that Obama is more like them.


10 posted on 06/25/2009 9:54:17 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

You said — He caused a bit of a stir (more of a ripple, really) with his support for Obama during the campaign, rationalizing away Obama’s being in the bag with the abortion racket, which has to have Francis Schaeffer spinning in his grave.

Absolutely so. I did go to one of those seminars with Francis Schaeffer and C. Everett Koop speaking, in Portland, Oregon. From all of what I heard, I can never imagine Francis Schaeffer backing Obama... not in a million years.

And, I had also briefly talked to Frank Schaeffer, back when he was in California and when I wanted to get some of the video sets they had, to rent them out to people. I read a book by him (at least if I remember right) called “Addicted to Mediocrity” which did seem to be in line with what Francis Schaeffer was talking about, too.

But, certainly the acorn has not fallen close to the tree, in the case of Frank Schaeffer...


11 posted on 06/25/2009 9:58:10 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Too bad that Frank Schaeffer has distanced himself from his father—and mother. As you know of course, they STOOD for something, they left a legacy of standing against abortion and also reaching out to the fatherless, orphans, the infirm, elderly.

“How Shall We Then Live?” was a great warning and things have taken that very path he warned us against.

I think Edith is still living, right?


12 posted on 06/25/2009 10:00:10 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Islaminaction

You said — I never said that Obama is the problem with Iran.

Heck! Forget about Iran. I wasn’t referring to them. I was talking about the problem here in this country... LOL... Obama is not the worst of it. The worst of it is the evil and despicable and oppressive governing idealogy of Islam and Sharia law.

In just one simple generation, we’ll be taken over by them, not in Iran, but here in the U.S. with the Islamic flag flying over the White House (and not merely having an “Obama” in the White House).


13 posted on 06/25/2009 10:00:56 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: AJKauf

The left are the gun-grabbers who want to censor the few remaining conservative voices.

No Christian is that bad.


14 posted on 06/25/2009 10:03:00 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Star Traveler

I went to one of those seminars in St. Louis, probably thirty years ago. It was very important in my development as a pro-lifer.

I gave up on reading Frank’s stuff some time ago — but looking at the titles of his recent books, I think he’s doing a public purgation of his fundy roots.


15 posted on 06/25/2009 10:09:31 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: brushcop

She is still living. She’s way up in her nineties, I believe.

I’m glad this thread came up. It reminds me to find that copy I have of “How Then...” and read it again.


16 posted on 06/25/2009 10:11:54 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: AJKauf
Lessee. We had Republican control of the White House and Congress until recently, but we didn't have any gunning down or beating of demonstrators???

Well, don't confuse this ignorant fool with the facts!

17 posted on 06/25/2009 10:22:22 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: Star Traveler

How sad that the biggest Pro Life countries (highest birth rates) are producing offspring that hate us while the most Christian nation in the world (USA is only nation with majority church attendance) slaughters infants in the womb.
Planned parenthood will plan our country into irrelevance, military and financial impotence, and ultimately subservience unless we find a way to turn Muslims into Christians.


18 posted on 06/25/2009 10:34:27 AM PDT by ConservativeOptimist ( Jihad from the oval office.... Or how do you spell "Manchurian Candidate"?)
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To: Star Traveler

The Muslim flag is already over the White House thanks to the closet Muslim.


19 posted on 06/25/2009 10:36:21 AM PDT by ConservativeOptimist ( Jihad from the oval office.... Or how do you spell "Manchurian Candidate"?)
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To: ConservativeOptimist

You said — How sad that the biggest Pro Life countries (highest birth rates) are producing offspring that hate us while the most Christian nation in the world (USA is only nation with majority church attendance) slaughters infants in the womb.

And, I also think that this should be considered to be the kind of judgment and the nature of the judgment that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will bring down upon this nation — which is to be enslaved under the evil and oppressive governmental idealogy that is Islam...., being done by our own hand....

See post #7 (the Muslim Demographic that shows we’re just one generation away from it...)


20 posted on 06/25/2009 10:37:55 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: Star Traveler

Lol! OK slight, misunderstanding. Like you, I do my best to try and raise the awareness level to this threat. It is just plain stupidity that Western governments are even entertaining letting aspects of Sharia law in.


21 posted on 06/25/2009 10:40:51 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: ConservativeOptimist

You said — The Muslim flag is already over the White House thanks to the closet Muslim.

I do understand what you’re saying when you say that, but in my case, I think any other reader should understand what I’m saying here. I’m not simply saying that it’s going to be like what we see with Obama there now — but rather — it’s going to be a literal flag flying over the White House, with Muslims in all areas of government, and Sharia law instituted, and all our lives governed under the law from the Koran and from the Sharia law that they wish to put into place.

It’s already being set up and those Muslims are already infiltrating all levels of government in preparation for doing this, laying the groundwork carefully, right now, in order to make it impossible for us to undo it later and making it easy to turn this entire nation under the *direct control* of the evil and oppressive idealogy of Islam.

Also, keep in mind that *even right here on Free Republic* — we’ve got the *lying defenders* of Islam, speaking out against those who oppose this evil idealogy of Islam. They use obfuscation and misdirection and outright lying in order to “defend Islam”...

This is what I wrote in another post to some other poster...

Well..., sorry, but I don’t call an evil and oppressive government idealogy with their own proponents expressing openly that they are going to overthrow the U.S. and fly the Islamic flag over the White House — to be “drivel”....

However, your statement saying that is it drivel, for what Islam and those terrorists are intent on doing — does have a name that many may not be familiar with...

It’s called “Takiyya” — which is the practice of those supporting the evil/oppressive idealogy of Islam to “lie through their teeth” (usually straight to your face) about what Islam intends to do, if they are “called” on it...

It’s the practice that Muslims are called upon to do in order to keep this oppressive idealogy of Islam from being exposed, if that is about to happen (either to an individual, or a group, or in the press or wherever it comes up).

You’ll find the information about Takiyya, the “lying through your teeth” practice of Muslims... to infidels... in several places documenting the practice of Muslims to sidetrack and lie to people so they *won’t suspect* that they are about to be oppressed...

Here’s just one example...


Submitted by Clare M. Lopez (United States), Apr 29, 2005 at 18:53

Dear Mr. Pipes:

I am sure you are aware of it, but perhaps it would help the average reader to better understand what we are up against with committed Islamist jihadis, if the concept of “takiyya” were included in a story like this. In fact, to the Western way of thinking and within our ethical framework, deception is deception and it is wrong.

Within the Muslim moral universe, the concept of “takiyya”, which is religiously-sanctioned deception to protect or promote Islam, is not only moral, it is admirable because it comes from the Koran and experiences of Muhammad himself. This by no means is to excuse the behavior of a character like Moussaoui, but to place that behavior in a context about which most Americans know nothing. As Sun Tzu said many centuries ago, “Know thine enemy as you know thyself.”

Sincerely,
Clare M. Lopez
Executive Director, Iran Policy Committee
Washington, DC


at http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/21891


22 posted on 06/25/2009 10:45:53 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: Islaminaction

Yeah, I’ve seen your posting in other areas... :-)

Keep up the good work.


23 posted on 06/25/2009 10:46:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (I personally oppose shooting abortionists, but I do not believe in imposing my morality on others.)
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks.....I always recognize your name and posts as well.


24 posted on 06/25/2009 10:54:31 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Star Traveler

“I am sure you are aware of it, but perhaps it would help the average reader to better understand what we are up against with committed Islamist jihadis, if the concept of “takiyya” were included in a story like this. In fact, to the Western way of thinking and within our ethical framework, deception is deception and it is wrong.

Within the Muslim moral universe, the concept of “takiyya”, which is religiously-sanctioned deception to protect or promote Islam, is not only moral, it is admirable because it comes from the Koran and experiences of Muhammad himself. This by no means is to excuse the behavior of a character like Moussaoui, but to place that behavior in a context about which most Americans know nothing. As Sun Tzu said many centuries ago, “Know thine enemy as you know thyself.””

Americans and the West have to stop being so trusting of Muslims.


25 posted on 06/25/2009 10:57:09 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: AJKauf

bttt


26 posted on 06/25/2009 2:06:55 PM PDT by aberaussie
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