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Internet Radio Talk Show Host Hal Turner Arrested for Threatening 3 Federal Appeals Court Judges
Department of Justice ^ | June 24, 2009 | United States Attorney's Office Northern District of Illinois

Posted on 06/25/2009 5:05:50 PM PDT by Larry381

CHICAGO—Hal Turner, an intermittent internet radio talk show host and blogger, was arrested today by FBI agents at his home in North Bergen, N.J., on a federal complaint filed in Chicago alleging that he made internet postings threatening to assault and murder three federal appeals court judges in Chicago in retaliation for their recent ruling upholding handgun bans in Chicago and a suburb.

Internet postings on June 2 and 3 proclaimed “outrage” over the June 2, 2009, handgun decision by Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, further stating, among other things: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be killed.” The postings included photographs, phone numbers, work address and room numbers of these judges, along with a photo of the building in which they work and a map of its location.

Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., was arrested this morning after FBI agents went to his residence to execute a search warrant. He was charged with threatening to assault and murder three federal judges with intent to retaliate against them for performing official duties in a criminal complaint filed today in U.S. District Court in Chicago. He is scheduled to have an initial court appearance at 12:30 p.m. tomorrow (Thursday) before U.S. Magistrate Judge Michael A. Shipp in U.S. District Court in Newark.

“We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period,” said Patrick J. Fitzgerald, United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, who announced the charges with Robert D. Grant, Special Agent in Charge of the Chicago Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The United States Attorney’s Office for the District of New Jersey and the FBI Office in Newark are providing local assistance.

According to the complaint affidavit, several lawsuits were filed challenging handgun bans in Chicago and suburban Oak Park after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that the Second Amendment entitles handguns at home for self-protection. On June 2, 2009, the 7th Circuit issued an opinion in National Rifle Association v. Chicago, Nos. 08-4241, 08-4243 & 08-4244, affirming a district court’s decision to dismiss the cases challenging the local handgun bans. The unanimous decision was written by Chief Judge Easterbrook and joined by Judges Posner and Bauer.

On June 8, 2009, law enforcement agents were directed to postings on a web site. The front page of the site contained an entry dated June 2, 2009, that was titled: “OUTRAGE: Chicago Gun Ban UPHELD; Court says ‘Heller’ ruling by Supreme Court not applicable to states or municipalities!” After describing the decision, a lengthy entry followed, which is contained in the complaint affidavit. In addition to proclaiming “These judges deserve to be killed,” the entry notes that it was the same 7th Circuit Court of Appeals that decided the case of Matt Hale, a white-supremacist who was imprisoned after being convicted of soliciting the murder of a U.S. District Court judge in Chicago. The entry further noted that the same judge’s mother and husband were murdered by a gunman in her home. The posting then stated:

“Apparently, the 7th U.S. Circuit court didn’t get the hint after those killings. It appears another lesson is needed.”

The complaint charges that the posting was updated the next morning on June 3, 2009, with the following content:

“Judges official public work addresses and a map of the area are below. Their home addresses and maps will follow soon. Behold these devils.”

Below this headline, the entry listed the names, photos, phone numbers, work addresses and room numbers of the three judges involved in the handgun decision, as well as a photo of the Dirksen Federal Courthouse in Chicago and a map. The photo of the building had been modified to include arrows and a label referencing “Anti-truck bomb barriers,” according to the affidavit.

If convicted, threatening to assault or murder a federal judge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. The court, however, would determine the appropriate sentence to be imposed under the advisory U.S. Sentencing Guidelines.

The government is being represented by Assistant U.S. Attorneys William Ridgway and William Hogan.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: deaththreats; domesticterrorism; fbi; halturner; internetradio; talkradio

1 posted on 06/25/2009 5:05:50 PM PDT by Larry381
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To: Larry381

And just what happened to the TV liberal who said they should kill Congressman Henry Hyde? NOTHING!


2 posted on 06/25/2009 5:10:03 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: Larry381

I don’t see how the charges against him could hold up in court. Saying someone deserves to die isn’t a crime. Even when said about our all powerful judges. Of course that assumes a fair trial. He is going to get reamed in court.


3 posted on 06/25/2009 5:10:20 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Larry381

Hmmm.....so when will we hear of the arrests of the radical homosexuals who posted maps to the homes of Porp 8 supporters, you know the ones who defaced the LDS Churches and threatened members? Or the ACORN thugs who ‘toured’ the neighborhoods of AIG employees?

Hmmmm?


4 posted on 06/25/2009 5:10:32 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Larry381

Looks like this zealot has got himself in a lot of trouble. Really stupid and actually works against Gun Rights.


5 posted on 06/25/2009 5:12:05 PM PDT by TCats
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To: jedi150

“And just what happened to the TV liberal who said they should kill Congressman Henry Hyde? NOTHING!”
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I didn’t see this, what are the details (or link)?


6 posted on 06/25/2009 5:13:13 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: awake-n-angry; jedi150

That was Alec Baldwin and it was said in jest.


7 posted on 06/25/2009 5:14:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

This was intended facetiously too, but the rats are out for blood.


8 posted on 06/25/2009 5:16:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: KoRn
It's not just that he said they deserved to die (which isn't a threat of any kind), it's that he actually published confidential, if not "secret", information about the judges.

In general federal judges' home addresses are never reported. It's common that upon being appointed a new judge buys a home somewhere else and moves ~ without filing a forwarding order.

They have REAL enemies ~ folks they send to prison for many years, or whose businesses they destroy (e.g. as in a bankruptcy).

The fact Turner had this information available suggests there's an ongoing and organized effort to conduct surveillance on federal judges (at least those in Chicago).

I suspect allowing Fitzgerald to make the public announcement on this was a serious mistake by DOJ. He probably doesn't understand what Turner is really being charged with well enough to enunciate it, and Fur Shur Fitzgerald has a difficult time identifying the correct targets in criminal investigations ~ we shall see, though.

9 posted on 06/25/2009 5:18:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hal Turner is well know among the politically aware here in Florida. He is a scumbag. There is NO defending him.


10 posted on 06/25/2009 5:18:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

“here” in Florida? I thought you were in NY?


11 posted on 06/25/2009 5:24:23 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: muawiyah

An ambiguous hint at worst. I could buy endangering, but not threatening.


12 posted on 06/25/2009 5:24:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: Larry381

This is going to be an interesting case. The lesson here for bloggers that want to avoid government persecution:

Post the inflammatory information in the comment section with a different computer that is working through a proxy server. That way it can never be attributed to you, the author of the blog post.


13 posted on 06/25/2009 5:27:04 PM PDT by NotSoModerate
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Usually no charges at all are made in these matters. Just about all the folks who publish these home addresses and phone numbers simply don't realize the legal protections federal judges need ~ and remember that even Obama has a friend who tried to murder a state Supreme Court judge and his entire family with a bomb.

The threat is ever present, but for the most part a little privacy is about all that's needed to keep most of the crazoids away.

Judges aren't the only folks with this problem ~ top level legal investigators, forensic laboratory specialists, various administrative law judges, and many other regulators with the power to write "final agency decision" put their lives on the line every day.

14 posted on 06/25/2009 5:28:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The fact Turner had this information available suggests there's an ongoing and organized effort to conduct surveillance on federal judges (at least those in Chicago).

You say that like it's a bad thing.

15 posted on 06/25/2009 5:29:59 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: darkangel82
Hal Turner is based in North Bergen, NJ. He is notorious for his rants about the Zionist conspiracy, and was caught cruising websites for men a few years back. Used to call into Rush's show as "Hal from North Bergen."

Yes, I am in Queens (Astoria/LIC border).

16 posted on 06/25/2009 5:31:07 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Lurker
Not that it's a bad thing or a good thing ~ it's just that Department of Justice has a responsibility to know such things, and if suspected, follow up with a serious investigation.

BTW, if you get rid of one judge they'll just put in a new one, usually pretty much like the original one.

I suppose it's theoretically possible to run a society without a judiciary ~ but please do that someplace else, OK?!

17 posted on 06/25/2009 5:33:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clemenza

Not surprising about any of that.


18 posted on 06/25/2009 5:35:36 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: muawiyah

Are judges better than the rest of us? Why shouldn’t their address and phone numbers be listed?


19 posted on 06/25/2009 5:41:20 PM PDT by TheRealDBear
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To: TheRealDBear
It's not that they're "better than" anyone else ~ it's that they really do have plenty of enemies who'd like to kill them.

That's the way things go when you're a judge ~ you have to make the decisions that send some away very dissatisfied.

20 posted on 06/25/2009 5:44:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Personally I think just about anyone drawing a Federal paycheck should spend a lot of time looking over their shoulder these days.

A little healthy fear would be a good thing for them I think.

21 posted on 06/25/2009 5:55:25 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Your letter carrier perhaps?


22 posted on 06/25/2009 5:57:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Your letter carrier perhaps?

Pretty much all of them who aren't sworn military as far as I'm concerned.

L

23 posted on 06/25/2009 5:58:04 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
So why do you make a "military exception"? Don't you know that if Obama sends them out to pick you up they'll do that. At least your letter carrier has a union and is going to demand a formal shift change AND overtime before he lifts a finger to do anything other than deliver your mail.

That should give you plenty of time to escape to Paraguay.

24 posted on 06/25/2009 6:00:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Larry381

Maybe he can make a movie about Obama getting shot like they did with Bush.


25 posted on 06/25/2009 6:04:07 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

...Ambiguous at best...

Tell it to the judge. If you get indicted on federal charges, and he has only been arrested at this point, the odds are about 90% you will be convicted or cop a plea.


26 posted on 06/25/2009 6:10:55 PM PDT by mono
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To: muawiyah
It's not that they're "better than" anyone else ~ it's that they really do have plenty of enemies who'd like to kill them.

It's hard to get worked up over the safety of judges. If they carry out their jobs fairly, I doubt the extent of their danger is as real as you worry about.

The lowly store owner is a sitting target for armed robbers. And, they are getting robbed every day throughout the nation. They don't have security gates at entrances and they rarely have armed guards ready to put down threats. Yet, there are judges who enjoy these protections who would take away the store owners right to defend themselves. They ought to make judges spend a week of community service every year in the shoes of a store clerk.

27 posted on 06/25/2009 6:47:45 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Judges spend a lot of time in their chambers in courthouses all over the country. There are ordinarily armed guards at all entrances. Sometimes security fails and people die ~ think back to the courthouse down in Atlanta a couple of years back.

Store keepers ALSO face danger from dissatisfied customers, but they face even more danger from professional criminals and drugged up thugs who regularly try to rob and kill them. That's why virtually all store owners have some sort of security system, and many have armed guards to protect the employees.

Still, judges preside over cases involving real criminals with long records and bad attitudes. Even when the judge does his or her job fairly and within the confines of the law, many of the criminals who go before them don't see it that way ~ particularly the psycho-sociopaths ~

Why is it I have a feeling you know a lot about that part?

28 posted on 06/25/2009 6:53:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Even I know you can get in trouble for threatening to kill federal judges people. Don't ask me how I learned that.
29 posted on 06/25/2009 6:53:44 PM PDT by KarinG1 (You're just jealous because the voices don't talk to you.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
BTW, a few months back there was an article we discussed about a prisoner who'd written badwords to a judge. The female prosecutor took him to court over that and got his stretch in stir extended.

As I recall the guy had many years left on his sentence so there seemed little need to extended it ~ maybe some other sort of discipline might have been more appropriate.

Still, the news story bothered me a lot because there was a prosecutor beating up on a guy who was already locked up, wasting resources that could have been used to go after someone wandering around outside who really did mean to hurt that judge.

Made me wonder what there was about that judge that possessed the prosecutor to waste time and money harrassing prisoners already in jail! Could be the judge's REAL enemy was right there in the courthouse with her.

30 posted on 06/25/2009 6:59:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Even when the judge does his or her job fairly and within the confines of the law, many of the criminals who go before them don't see it that way ~ particularly the psycho-sociopaths ~

Why is it I have a feeling you know a lot about that part? My take on the news is that armed robbers are routinely holding up store owners every day. Their security, a camera or a personal handgun. Also in the news every day are judges showing compassion to thugs and letting them go back into society. I can't see how they can be really worried when so many are so lenient. This is what I read in the news in spite of the snotty comment you made about me.

31 posted on 06/25/2009 7:18:10 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Larry381

Hal Turner is kind of like Howard Stern.

You always wondr what he’s going to say next...


32 posted on 06/25/2009 10:33:04 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Don't count on "the so many" part of your beliefs.

Sure, there are corrupt, stupid, thuggish judges who view their job as one of protecting criminals from the public they prey on, but they are in a distinct minority.

What is unfortunate is that we have 4 such judges on the Supreme Court, and if one of our more conservative types falls off the wagon they win.

Still, those criminals they're helping would just as gladly blow their brains out as they would anyone else's. Your typical criminal is never greatful to his or her benefactor.

33 posted on 06/26/2009 2:52:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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