Posted on 06/26/2009 3:25:21 AM PDT by Mario Goldstein
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The GOP brand is dead. I favor a new party called the Fiscal Conservatives. Have a social conservative platform, but emphasize fiscal conservatism.
All of this kind of thing smacks of magical thinking, when what we need--all we need--is hard work. We need to find and promote candidates who share our goals, and then sell them. All this new party stuff is a little silly--if conservatives IN the party can't compel the Republicans, those outside it won't either.
I also disagree with the perception noted about about the Greens. They are in fact just the opposite of what that says--they are cover for libs, not reinforcement, as they allow the dems to point to them and say "They're the REAL radicals, not us!"
I understand Duncan Hunter, Sr (R-CA) has been talking at gatherings of young military veterans. They tend to be very conservative. Hunter should know - he’s about as ‘true-blue conservative’ as you can get. He’s encouraging them to run for public office. We should be supporting conservative members, like Bill Russell (I apologize, I forget his military title), who is challenging John Murtha in Johnstown, Pa. Also, Lt Col. Alan West, who is running in Florida. Both men of excellent character.
If there’s to be a new Reagan Party only, let’s omit Sandra D. O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy, and Kenneth Starr.
I wish Hunter had let people know where he stood. In those “debates”, he did not seem that good in explaining his positions. The American people have to be led around by the hand.
I know I would definitely support my former congressman again if given a chance. The only reason I have a democrat now is because the great big GOP brains decided he was a lost cause and stripped him of money leaving to lose by a whopping 2%.
We have a Ronald Reagan Party it is the Sarah Palin led GOP.
You need to stop letting the MSM do your thinking for you.
I think this is quite possibly one of the stupidest ideas I’ve heard yet.
What is so hard for conservatives to figure out that conservative unity = victory, while conservative division = defeat? Third partyism is for the weak, fearful, ineffectual, and cowardly among us. Conservatives would be much better off banding together and taking the GOP back over one county party at a time. It could be done in one year, if we’d get our act together.
You do realize that when you exclude all others, you make Sarah Palin a party of one and doom her to failure.
They barely asked him questions, they almost ignored him. He didn’t have a chance to explain his positions. They had already ordained their candidates.
The GOP brand is dead. I favor a new party called the Fiscal Conservatives. Have a social conservative platform, but emphasize fiscal conservatism.I agree with you in principle but the concept market domination might make your solution impractical. Your idea might be a good alternative for the original idea of this thread, to have a 3rd party capable of forcing the GOP more to the right.
Instead of calling it the Reagan Party, maybe Fiscal Conservatives is a better name.
I definitely like the idea of emphasizing fiscal conservatism. That is the path back to individual liberty.
They barely asked him [Hunter] questions, they almost ignored him. He didn’t have a chance to explain his positions. They had already ordained their candidates.To a certain extent you are right. But could they have done that to Reagan if they tried (maybe the did try)?
Of course not. The person who knows how to get out in front gets out in front. Hunter, for all his sterling qualities (and they are many), didn't know how to get out in front.
I like Hunter but never saw him as a viable candidate. I like what he's doing right now, talking to groups of young vets and encouraging them to run for office. That's the best possible use of his talents and experience.
And we already have the ballot line in California, through our American Independent Party affiliate. Because of them, we can truthfully say that we're already the third-largest political party in America based on voter registration.
We're pro-life, pro-secure borders, pro-liberty, anti-statist, peace through strength conservatives to the core. 100% of our leaders, and 100% of our candidates, are 100% conservative.
I think it was the RI debate where the media displayed their bias and hipocracy toward Duncan Hunter. They excluded him from the debate due to his lack of delegates and included McQueeg. One small problem with that theory was the fact that Hunter had delegates and McQueeg didn’t.
“a new party called the Fiscal Conservatives.”
That’s a blasé name. Sounds like a dull and boring required econ course in freshman college.
Maybe the “Vigilance” party. That’s a time-honered and effective concept. Symbols could be a noose and a bucket of tar.
The “Patton” party would be good, too, with a symbol of a stars and stripes boot crushing a Nazi/democrat face.
We don’t need a third party. Our party was stolen from us, and we need to take it back, precinct by precinct.
OK sure. LOL
I want a name that has an unmistakable meaning. If someone is part of the Fiscal Conservative Party, there is no doubt where they stand on spending.
Laugh away. It is the usual reaction of a fool who thinks himself profound.
You’re the moron who declares all other ineligible yet don’t even know if Sarah Palin even intends to run. Little dictators like yourself do her far more harm than all the Lettermans in the world combined.
From a pragmatic partisan standpoint, splintering effectively disenfranchises the splinter and weakens the host. From my perspective it is more politically efficient to remain with the host and conduct internecine war. The complete fiscal/social conservative represents no more than 15% of California's active electorate. That's no a lot but it is enough to effect the outcome of elections. If those 15% are splintered they have little chance of exercising their due process.
The GOP is dead. If it looks alive, it’s a “Weekend at Bernies” kind of thing. Face it. Which of course means that we don’t have any alternative but to quickly build a truly conservative alternative. Which we’re doing.
That’s what Americans do. If something is broken, we fix it. If something is broken beyond repair, we junk it and start over.
Don’t get me wrong. There are a few pieces of the old junk heap that are worth parting out.
Good luck with that. I tried it for twenty years and the situation has only gotten worse. Much worse.
I'm persistent, but I'm not insane.
We already have 49 of those little boutique vanity parties and they come in all flavors from right to left and odd mixtures of both, they don’t accomplish anything except to keep a handful of odd birds from doing anything constructive.
Starting another one (oddly using Ronald Reagan a devoted republican for it’s name) would only draw off another handful of conservatives into the waste land of third party irrelevance, it would be more useful to keep producing liberal and left wing “third parties”.
Every time we can get fringe people to join a liberal “third party” we weaken the democrat party and the overall liberal movement.
Great! I’ll check out AIP. I think I’ve seen it on my ballot but I think but I assumed it was a liberal group, like Peace and Freedom and all those others.
Excellent. I’m the national chairman, and I’m always available to answer any questions, as are all of our leaders across the country, on a consistent basis. You can reach me directly at tom@aipnews.com, and/or you can join us on one or more of our national conference calls. We have them every Tuesday and Thursday night like clockwork, in addition to having a special Affiliate Leadership call on Saturday nights.
The times and call-in numbers are here:
I find that highly ironic, since there are a large number of very important conservative tasks that us "odd birds" are doing that the formerly grand OLD party won't left a single finger to accomplish. And that includes supporting conservative Republican candidates that their own party completely ignores and denigrates.
Thats nice. As long as they aren’t trying to persuade people to vote against the republican presidential candidate because that would be not doing anything constructive.
Nominate liberals and you're not getting any of our votes. For President or for anything else.
We all love leftwing “third parties” and we all know why.
I know. I once got sucked into believing this garbage, too. Never again.
I'm on board.
The Republican Party, during their recent rein with GW Bush increased the national debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion (doubled it).
We need a party that believes this is wrong.
Nobody from AIP has asked you for any money.
Ironically, that description is beginning to fit the Republican Party. Only about 22% of the voters self-identify as such now, while 40% call themselves Independents.
Of course not but that is the only reason they exist. They have nothing to offer suckers that send their hard earned money and you know it.
That’s simply a malicious lie.
Are you actually claiming that the only reason political parties exist is to take people’s money?
No. Only those 49 irrelevant so-called third parties.
Perhaps you should read up on the early history of the GOP.
In the early 19th century the Whigs were a dominant party. However, they collapsed very quickly in the early 1850s due to disagreement over social issues (slavery and the belief that marriage was an institution between ONE man and ONE woman).
The conservative Whigs (who believed in abolition of slavery and the sanctity of marriage) formed the Republican Party and within five years they elected Lincoln as president.
When it was formed in 1854 the Republicans WERE an "irrelevant third party", the Kansas-Nebraska Act changed all that almost overnight. So, to pretend that third parties are irrelevant is to ignore historical reality. The GOP is wandering down a road that is nearly identical to the one the Whigs went down.
Right. But the Republican Party is pure as the driven snow - when it takes in money from conservatives and gives it to leftwing candidates.
And then has the gall to complain when donations drop.
You get sillier and sillier, people still vote for one of the two parties while choosing to not register to one of them. 1.4% of voters went for boutique "third parties" in 2008.
We all pray for more liberal "third parties" though because we know that every person that votes for a liberal "third party" hurts the cause of liberalism.
A Republican accusing someone else of being motivated only by money is like a someone being accused by Bill Clinton of lying. In any particular case it may or may not be true, but the hypocrisy of the whole thing is overwhelmingly obvious.
It’s the Republican Party which has become liberal. We’re part of a conservative party, thank you very much.
I agree. There are still a lot of great Republican politicians out there, but I think a lot of them would be willing to jump to a party that genuinely believes in Constitutional and conservative principles. All it would take is a few “key players” to jump ship and the floodgates would open up.
Let us just keep praying that another liberal “third party” arises because we all know that every vote siphoned away from the democrat party helps republicans.
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God." - George Washington
Such a scenario means little in light of the fact that we now have two “major” liberal parties. Any liberal third party influence pales in comparison.
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