Posted on 06/26/2009 6:56:18 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
One of the founders of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, who's also a former deputy prime minister, tells Weekend Edition's Scott Simon that what amounts to a "military coup" has occurred in his country. And he claims authorities know the election was rigged.
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
Yet, our "President" is more content to eat ice cream and host a luau, while people in Iran are desperately fighting for freedom. Ugh! Obama & the rest of our leaders just make me sick!
Who cares? Somebody named Michael Jackson is dead.
If this is true, where’s Bambi gonna go for his next speech ?
Dang who can Biggie O invite for his Fourth of July BBQ, now?
I’m slow...do we LIKE the coup because it is against, Dinnerjacket, or NOT LIKE it because its a face-saving gesture that will keep the Mullah’s in power and distance them from Dinnerjacket?
Make sure you read the article BEFORE posting, otherwise you may have the wrong idea ... ;)
WHAT?!?!? I hadn’t heard!
The luau whoop dee doo was in bad taste and very disrespectuful of the great suffering being incurrd by people trying to break free of oppression.
Our whole congress was there partying at the WH while the thugs they agreed to “respectfully” listen to and negotiate with
were throwing women off bridges, dumping acid on crowds from helicopters, seizing corpses from hospitals, and axing teenage boys in the streets
I’m not saying intervene but sheesh TOTUS
use the bully pulpit for something larger than yourself, and set an exampe of gravitas...for a change
I'll believe it when the military starts beating on the government instead of the protesters.
The Syrians, probably.
“I’m slow...do we LIKE the coup because it is against, Dinnerjacket”
In one way, we don’t like the coup because the Mullahs used the Revolutionary Guard to keep Ahmadinejad in power. But the good thing about this is that we now know for a fact (even though it was obvious, earlier) that Mousavi and the reformers won the election and that it was stolen from them.
and our media as well, Michael Jackson yappa yappa yap yap yap.Don't complain when the crazys nuke New York
From the Wash Times Tyrrell column today: “Having lost confidence in the police and members of the street militia, the Basij, he called out the Revolutionary Guard to clamp down on the protests. Interestingly, the head of the guard in the province of Tehran, Gen. Ali Fazli, a veteran of the Iraqi-Iranian war, refused to fire on his own countrymen and has been arrested.”
The mullahs have to go.
Barky wants to wait to see how it plays out.
I have been under the impression that the Revolutionary Guard has been reluctant to enforce the mullahs’ orders, and therefore reluctant to support Dinnerjacket — a good thing, at least in the short term. Anything that undermines Khameni is a good thing. Remains to be seen whether the Iranian people would be better off or worse off in the long run.
Claiming a military coup is really misleading. The Revolutionary Guards is a paramilitary unit that has been given much power over the actual Iranian military forces. If there had been a military coup there would be fighting in the streets involving the military and the Revolutionary Guards (Pasdaran). In fact, this simply cements the mullahs’ hold on the populace and is no coup at all.
Of course it’s a coup.
It’s been brewing for years. Ahmadinejad is no joke. The guy was an IRGC Special Operations for Extranational assasinations commander in his youth. He’s as cunning as it gets.
I’m having flashbacks.
Those that believed in democracy lost the last time.
Prayers
note that thugs doing the killings in the streets are NOT in uniform
and reports that foreigners imported to control the population because Iranian police and military not considered trustworthy to do so. Interesting question is whether IRGC troops (and regular military) are being confined to bases so they won’t be exposed to what is happening
What..what? Is this some new requirement?
bttt
If the military is in power why are there thugs killing in the streets with no military presence stopping them, asserting the power of the military?
It doesn't make any kind of sense.
Now, an attempted coup might make sense.
Right after the election, 11 o’clock at night, was a military coup because they went to (presidential candidate Mir Hossein) Mousavi’s headquarters — five persons from the Revolutionary Guard — and told him that, ‘Yes, the leader says that this is true, you have won the election, you are the elected president, but you can’t be the president. (Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad should remain in the position.’
“And then they started to invent those fake numbers in Ministry of Interior. And right after that they started to arrest the people, to disconnect the country, to dismiss the reporters, and that is the reason that we call it a military coup.”
Replace Mousavi with whomever and replace Ahmadinejad with Obama and you have American elections to come...
The msm excuse. Well, we don’t have anyone on the ground in Iran so we can’t possible speak to anything happening there.
After all, O wants us all to wait to see how it all ‘plays’ out.
If the mullahs have lost faith and trust in the military (especially the iRGC)- then a precursor of a coup has already occurred. The military has lost its loyalty to the regime. The breakout will be when the regime can no longer contain an untrustworthy military by confinement and purges of its leadership.
The mullah’s managed to break and take control of the power of the shah’s military and has spent 30 years building a parallel (but now more powerful?) ideologically driven Rev Guard counterforce.
So if they lose confidence in large parts of the IRGC - what next? We don’t hear much about what is happening out in the provinces, beyond the cities, in the small villages that provide the peasant manpower for the paramilitary.
This indicates that at least one faction of the Army is backing the mullahs and Ahwannajihad.
The fact we have not seen Army units in the streets, as well as the notable and noticeable absence of the regular uniformed police for use in the crackdown suggests that faction may well be in a minority at the time, and other units are indeed restricted to base/barracks.
This is indicative of a classic power struggle.
We don't - can't - know what's going on behind the scenes, but the very fact that the “protests” continue unabated, albeit in lower numbers, leads one to believe these people know something is up, and they won't quit until such time as the fuse is finally lit for certain.
No, this thing isn't over yet - not by a long shot!
CA....
bttt
bttt
“I really hope and pray the Khamenei/Ahmadinejad/Mullah regime is overthrown. “
Yes. But the people don’t want to become another Myanmar. So a military coup is NOT a good thing.
Could be our future in 2012.
Mickey’s dead? You would think there would be something on TV about something that important. Perhaps they could interupt the coverage of Princess Diana to let us know.
Even though I read your post before going to the article, I thought this is what it might mean. If the Army was one the side of the people, this would have been over a long time ago. The army/Khameni are taking over.
This is bad, bad, news.
Buy Oil futures and bullets.
This from NPR? National Public Radio? Do they have permission from the Messiah to make this story public? Or if true, have they already worked out how he can take credit for the “new democracy!”
If there is a military coup in Iran then why are the protesters unarmed?
Cause just like the American left, the mullahs want to protect the public by making sure that “criminals” can’t get guns! It’s for the people’s own good, don’t you know.
When the military and police turn against the regime and attack the outside thugs, things will get really hairy there. THE ONE will probably go on another date with Aunt Esther.
The report is refering to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as “military”. They are saying that the “Guards” have effectively taken control of the country — like that’s News?!
He’ll have to find new ways to grovel to the perversions of Islam. We’re sure he’ll be up to it.
Short-term, I think you're right. But power is also shifting away from the Mullahs & toward the IRGC commanders (& Ahmedinijad). I think that Ahmedinijad used to be the Fig Leaf for the Mullahs. Now the situation is reversed.
Meanwhile, in Tehran, Authorities Rule Iran Election ‘Healthy’
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/27/world/middleeast/27iran.html?ref=world
The trick in any dictatorship is to keep competing interest groups at war with eachother, while preventing any single group from getting too strong. If the IRGC actually thought of itself as stronger than the Iranian military, that could be a bad thing for the dictator Khameni. You only want the IRGC “just strong enough” to deter the military from taking matters into its own hands.
Just for the sake of clarity... I wasnt the OP, I was just someone who read the post and assumed the Military was assisting the people, then read the post and found out otherwise.
=)
and the leaders punished harshly. Some even executed.
I agree with you - I thought the whole luau and it’s timing was in very poor taste. In fact, I was rather disgusted.
I agree with you. The article term “coup” is misleading. None of the leaders were overthrown, just the franchise.
Even if the Rev. Guards did off the mullahs, it’s doubtful they’d be any better.
“amounts to a “military coup” has occurred in his country”.
Then why are the protestors still getting beaten?
If you use the Russian Revolution as a template, this was 1905. It took another 12 years before the Tsar was deposed.
Interesting take. I don't think it will take 12 years, however. Technology has been driving civil society faster than we can adapt. This uprising could not have sustained itself without cell phones capable of transmitting streaming video directly to the internet, and "Twitter". People in the know know what we'll have in 1 or 2 years, beyond that... who knows?
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