Skip to comments.Carbongate (Obama's EPA Cover-up)
Posted on 06/26/2009 6:07:35 PM PDT by WhiteCastle
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Do you really think science or logic has anything to do with this?
Just as a certain predecessor administration touted that it was going to be the most ethical administration ever.
Would anyone like the 98 page document from the EPA? I found it yesterday on another website. It does dismiss AGW, so we are in effect being lied to by the EPA.
This is hugh.
I sent the entire document to Fox news this am and never heard anything about it. Seems to me they aren’t doing there jobs either.
It's dated March 16th.
It is now June 26th.
Obama was keeping it hidden.
If China were any more powerful (for example, if it had anti-missile shields), how long would any smart investor want hold onto US currency? Considering how competitive China is, and how much it would like to be the world's #1, why wouldn't they dump the US dollar? Probably because this would start an immediate war with Beijing being nuked and the global media machine blaming the Chinese. I'm no fan of Communism, but selling US debt to foreigners means that we have foreign masters (that's wrong). Intimidating investors is equally wrong. Is it any wonder that nuclear blackmail by bellicose nations and global crime syndicates will come back to haunt us?
The supposed tax money raised from anti-global warming laws will go straight to the pockets of politicians. There won't be a “green” economy. Rather, our highways will have the same result as that of Cubans keeping their 1950s American made autos running. The difference is that we're more likely to be driving Toyota's and Honda's instead of any Detroit-made crap on wheels.
A warm world is a scary world for tyrants because a warm world produces more food. Tyrants don't want people to be well fed and in control of their own appetites and wills. Tyrants want the price of food to rise astronomically because this will enslave the populous to the tyrant's will and whims.
Expect the DNC to swindle all farmland next.
Many theorists and theologists equate Emperor Nero to the horrors of the beast in Revelations. Is it any wonder that the similarities of today's tyranny mirrors the horrors warned in Revelations? We might think that evil follows the Greek tragedy of Pandora's box—a gateway opened between hell and earth where evil is released to do harm. By a different examination, Revelations shows how evil cannot operate outside the box. Thus, by their fruit we shall know who the wicked are. The fruit Americans (and the rest of the world) will be eating is starvation: Rev. Chapter 6, Verse 6, Footnote 6 (NAB)
As difficult as the reality is concerning this very real possibility, one has to ask why an entire nation has turned to such a disastrous mindset. Why are we slitting our economic and industrial jugular? Why the hell did we vote for these devils in the flesh?
The answer is too simple, yet it explains our human weakness thoroughly: because we want to get high, get laid, and have a slave do the hard work while we parasite off the weak.
The DNC has catered to this human weakness very effectively and the media/propaganda machine is its willing servant. America has fallen to the same politics given to the world by both the Soviets and the Nazis.
The report was recycled skeptical talking points. It was worthless as a contribution and right to be rejected. It was written by a couple of economists copying material from a skeptical Web site. Great stuff.
Sorry, one of the authors was an economist. The other author was an environmental scientist posted in the National Center for Environmental Economics. Mea culpa.
If only the press were as hard hitting with TOTUS as they are now with Michael Jackson’s cardiologist!
I'm pretty sure you are refering to Pelosi saying she was going to have the most ethical Congress ever.....
How is this news now?
-your friends in the MSM
This has been suppressed, though long known, and it is one of the items mentioned in other articles concerning this EPA, agenda driven policy making so-called "coverup". It is not just a talking point, as you put it...
The models didn't properly take this factor into account, which is part of the why the computer models are quite wrong. Otherwise, why exactly have we been cooling a bit, worldwide, for a while now? Oh, but they ignore that SET OF FACTS, also. Which are not just recycled, needed to be rejected "talking points".
But don't let that stop you. Cherry pick what you want science to say & mean. You'll never be lonely, doing it that-a-ways...
I thought there was supposed to be seperation of Church and state?
The green movement has become absolutely religious. Their Pagan form of worship to the gods of nature and their tributes to their apostles like Gore have made them lose all objectivity to the matter of climate change or whatever issue they say is ailing the planet.
The Unconstitutional behavior of making us all subscribe to this cult is what is in play and what people saw play out in the House today.
Get Mother Nature out of our government she has no place there.
Do you really think science or logic has anything to do with this?
I wonder how many who voted for this really believe in this BS.
It's not about global warming, it is about CONTROL.
Poppin’ a cap [and trade] in Americas ass...
Everyone should read this article on Goldman Sachs from Rolling stones magazine. I could not post it on main because it is via a blog, and you have to go there to read it. It turns out that Goldman stands to make a mint off from cap and trade according to the article. Makes sense too.
I just want to scream.
Its like seeing a train wreck, you can see it comin and there isn’t a DAMN thing you can do about it.
Maybe I am mixing things up. WHat were the Clintons’ claims?
ping and ding
“The report was recycled skeptical talking points. It was worthless as a contribution and right to be rejected. It was written by a couple of economists copying material from a skeptical Web site. Great stuff.”
Quite a few of those points, if not all, are correct. Which do you dispute?
The fact is the Earth is cooling, and rather rapidly over the last few years. I’m also of the view, based on the best science regarding solar cycles, that the cooling trend will likely continue, as mentioned, until 2030 or so.
The global warming alarmists are simply in the position of having their lovely theories demolished by pesky reality. Good thing natural variability turned the way it did, or we’d be really screwed...on the other hand, I think there’ll be quite an unfortunate backlash against science as the end result. The backlash should really be against ignorant politicians who aren’t educated enough to make good policy based on science.
It’s incredible how Zero and the Dems say that this will cost the average American “a postage stamp a day.” That’s about $15/month—or about the amount in “stimulus” in the form of lowered tax withholding, which was touted as a wonderful thing (by Dims). Did you hear anyone in the MSM decry that as “only about a postage stamp a day”? Didn’t think so. And if Zero and the Dems say $15/month for cap-in-the-@ss-and-trade, you can bet they’re off by at least a factor of 10.
By the way, I don’t mean to excuse scientific corruption. In cases where science data was altered, or results faked, there should be criminal prosecution.
I’m not making any claims about Hansen, GISS, and the surface temperature record, but the irregularities there are highly suspicious and should be THOROUGHLY investigated!
I’d like anyone to explain why they aren’t using any urban heat island corrections, for instance. There are widely reported siting and equipment problems with many “climate stations” as well.
Up until 2007, the IPCC was still engaged in the debate but then broke sharply away from entertaining any contradictory findings thinking they had made a convincing argument with already agreed supporters in various areas for regulatory controls and great cooperation among member nations.
Since then the supporting science itself has seen a recycling of most of that work in the form of metastudies all of which have served to rachet up the “call to action” while ignoring the skeptics or, even worse castigating them as irrational “deniers.”
It seems the whole effort now has devolved to a massive marketing process whereby anyone who fails to climb aboard will forever miss the train.
Anyone who seriously doubts the idealism and evangelistic fervor of the current state of affairs is turning a blind eye. As we stand idly by while this wholesale “skepticide” continues, we may need to suffer in silence as dissent is likely to be the next target of an overweening new world order of things.
Reference bump! ;-)
I used to run articles on my website PROVING that man is NOT responsible for past climate change, that the world has been COOLING for over a decade now, that carbon does NOT cause a climb in temperatures, that infact carbon numbers rise only AFTER temps rise- noth hte other way around- that these rises in temps ARE cyclical, that they follow sun solar events- when htere’s more sun spots, we grow warmer, when less, we grow colder- but ya know what? It’s all fallign on deaf ears because htis administration- and hte dems, could care less abotu hte science- could care less about FACTS, and coudl care less about how cap and trade is goign to ruin us- they smell $$ and NOTHING is goign to stop them from gettign to it- not hte law, not hte constitution, not hte science, nor hte FACTS!
They will NEVER be intellectually honest enough to admit this is a scam of gigantic proportions- We the people WILL suffer for hteir insatiable greed and lust for power!
[[It seems the whole effort now has devolved to a massive marketing process whereby anyone who fails to climb aboard will forever miss the train.]]
Thast is precisely right! The IPCC was made up of a mere 60 or so ‘scientists’, many of whom later recoutned how htey were pressured to report findings contrasry to what hte actual science indicated, and hwo have since recanted their eirlier statments on global warming.
I posted many many reports from Marc Morano, Sen Inhoffe’s former aid, that show reams and reams of scientific evidence proving man is not to blame, but it is all falling on deaf ears- I finally wrote to Sen Inhoffe about hte FACT that this issue is NOT abotu hte science anymore, and that it has become, as you say- finacially expedient to sign onto it regardless of hte facts, but NEVER got a response- most likely because he KNOWS that no matter how loud we squeel, the govenrment is NOT goign to stop SCAMMING us because there simply is so much $$ involved in ‘fixing’ the problem that we are NOT responsible for, and hte govenrment KNOWS that peopel are so guillible, and feel such self-loathing, that htey will do anythign to ‘atone’ for our uspposed enviro-sins.
not to mention dropping 300 more pages of legislation on the table at 3 am the day of the vote that could not be read by anyone.
So they took a 1,500 page document that had blank pages left in it to be filled in later and voted it in without even having seen or even possibly known about 1/5 of it!
The largest financial bill to ever hit the house and these IDIOTS just went along with it!
Every last one of them who voted for it should be tared and feathered. Talk about being lead around by the nose.
What is the title of the next book?
The Audacity of Congress?
The Audacity of Representatives?
If I had time, I'd dispute all of them, but since I don't, read this instead, which does it for me:
The fact is the Earth is cooling, and rather rapidly over the last few years.
Ridiculous. It's just interannual variability. The last two years have been influenced by a strong La Nina. We may have an El Nino this year. If so, that tune will change in a hurry.
Im also of the view, based on the best science regarding solar cycles, that the cooling trend will likely continue, as mentioned, until 2030 or so.
It'd be nice if you were right. You're probably not right.
The global warming alarmists are simply in the position of having their lovely theories demolished by pesky reality.
Pesky reality is going to bite us back hard.
... based on the best science regarding solar cycles, that the cooling trend will likely continue, as mentioned, until 2030 or so....
This is exactly the reason that they want Cap/Trade. They can claim, over the coming years, that their incredible foresight and wisdom saved us. Therefore, attempting to gain credibility of having a clue about anything (which they only know re-election and stealing my money).
I absolutely hate these detestable bastards.
“time to lock and load”
“If I had time, I’d dispute all of them, but since I don’t, read this instead, which does it for me:
There are sources of directly measured data that are indicative. The JASON satellite sea level measurements, and the ARGO buoy ocean heat content measurements are two.
Both of them show a nice, consistent cooling trend since 2002.
Then there’s the global sea ice extent, which is right at the baseline at the moment, after dipping quite a bit in 2007.
“Ridiculous. It’s just interannual variability. The last two years have been influenced by a strong La Nina. We may have an El Nino this year. If so, that tune will change in a hurry.”
Last two years? The warmest year on record was 1998! If things are warming, how can that be?
In truth, you’re not giving the solar cycle the weight it deserves. Read about the Dalton and Maunder minimums. And what of the Medieval Warm Period? Ancient SUVs? The current solar minimum is a hundred year level event, and it’s not over yet.
Humans contribute less than .2% (that’s .002 of the total) of greenhouse gasses. That’s in the noise, and no excuse for trillions spent and our future hosed. Global warming is a scam and a sham. I hope the right people are held to account someday. It may be a painful reckoning.
I would like to read the 98 page document, please.
“It was written by a couple of economists copying material from a skeptical Web site.”
Just another followup on this, but the “economist” of the pair also has a Caltech physics degree. Hardly a lightweight.
“They can claim, over the coming years, that their incredible foresight and wisdom saved us.”
Nope. Everyone involved knows that the total effect of this multi-trillion dollar bill is a .2 degree drop in 2100 (maybe).
Any kind of drop in temperature over the next couple decades is completely unexpected by the global warming community, and such a drop will torpedo their theory. Really, the current drop in temperatures since 1998 should be enough to cancel any global warming based policy, in a sane world.
Instead, 0bama is in power.
Oh wait here it is