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Eight Republicans Help Confirm a Hard-Core Gun Banner
AmmoLand.com ^ | June 26, 2009 | GOA

Posted on 06/26/2009 10:23:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Washington, DC - -(AmmoLand.com)- Imagine that. The Senate confirmed this week, by a vote of 62-35, a gun banner who stays up at night thinking of ways to impose more gun control upon American citizens.

Harold Koh is that gun grabber, and he was confirmed yesterday to be the Legal Adviser at the State Department.

On Wednesday, Senate Republicans attempted to kill the Koh nomination with a filibuster — until eight of them crossed the aisle to help Democrats confirm Koh.

The back-stabbing Senators are:

Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Susan Collins (R-ME) Judd Gregg (R-NH) Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Richard Lugar (R-IN) Mel Martinez (R-FL) Olympia Snowe (R-ME) George Voinovich (R-OH) Once the filibuster was thwarted, Koh’s nomination passed easily. The vote on final passage can be viewed at: http://tinyurl.com/m4m2f5

Koh is eager to assume his post at the State Department, having lamented that there is only so much that can be done from the outside to push gun control treaties, and that ultimately we need people like him in positions of power. The chief lawyer for the State Department is just the position someone like him needs to push more gun control through international treaties.

GOA will continue watching for any attempt by the Obama administration to foist an international gun control treaty upon the citizens of the U.S.

Please stay tuned.

Don’t Let Your Senators Escape the Heat of the Spotlight!

If you have been watching the news, you have no doubt seen stories on the health care debate. This is the topic de jour on Capitol Hill, and Congress is ramping up to vote on a bill in a few weeks.

Last week, GOA alerted you to the fact that the whole health care issue has become a Trojan Horse for gun control, among other things.

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; banglist; bhobanglist; gungrabber; haroldkoh; koh; lamaralexander; lugar; melmartinez; orrinhatch; voinovich
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“Too much work [was] left undone. After a few sleepless nights, I wrote for myself a list of issues on which I needed to do more in the years ahead. One of those issues was global regulation of small arms.” — Harold Hongju Koh (2001)

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1 posted on 06/26/2009 10:24:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Lugar must become a history lesson as not what to do to stay in office.


2 posted on 06/26/2009 10:29:07 PM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristote)
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To: smokingfrog

This is becoming disturbing with Lamar Alexander. The others have earned reputations as RINOs already. Lamar was the sole pubbie to vote against concealed carry in national parks.


3 posted on 06/26/2009 10:32:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: smokingfrog

And 8 republicans today helped Pelosi pass the most onerous, unconstitutional sh*t legislation in the last 40 years.


4 posted on 06/26/2009 10:33:56 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: smokingfrog
(triangulating) 8 in the Senate and now (triangulating) 8 in the House.
g*d d@mn "triangulating"....no standards.

5 posted on 06/26/2009 10:34:40 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0Bambi to the poor voter: Welcome to Obamacare (Peasant Care ®) You Sucker... Now Die! :^)
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To: pissant

Unlucky number for Republicans. Defeated in o8’ as well. Orrin Hatch was a small surprise.


6 posted on 06/26/2009 10:54:12 PM PDT by max americana
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To: pissant

Fire those phuks. Take names and post credible opponents if we still are allowed to vote after the ACORN fascists allow us to vote next cycle. There will be blood.


7 posted on 06/26/2009 10:54:59 PM PDT by MarkT
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To: smokingfrog
Lugar is a bigtime internationalist and gun-grabber. He was one of three Republican Senators who refused to sign onto the US Congress brief in the Heller case. The other two were Ensign and Warner.
8 posted on 06/26/2009 11:06:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: smokingfrog

I’d love to my states U.S. Senator the Long Time Bush Family Friend Lamar Alexander (R-TN) voted out of public office for good. The man has always been a Big Government Liberal with a R after his name. When the Health Care vote comes up he’ll vote for it too just watch. Alexander likely would have never made it past being a state lawmaker had he not been running against a felon DEM when he was elected governor. He was not a great governor but hey after Ray Blanton anyone was an improvement. His seat next time up needs to be targeted for replacement.


9 posted on 06/26/2009 11:07:31 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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To: smokingfrog

That article was pretty much incoherent and unsubstantiated. The only facts were the RINO’s who voted for the confirmation.


10 posted on 06/26/2009 11:53:36 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s looking like it almost time to RESET.


11 posted on 06/27/2009 12:30:54 AM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: smokingfrog

These rhinocrats have GOT to be replaced with people who have their constuents best interest at heart. My guess is that the grassroots movement will contribute to any real conservatives who run against them


12 posted on 06/27/2009 4:19:44 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel

Voinovich is retiring. He should have been asked to step-down when he announced this.


13 posted on 06/27/2009 4:24:03 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: smokingfrog

Mel Martinez (R-FL)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

Both these critters have already announced they are not running again. So this is how they really feel

And Koh is an evil genius who will do a lot more than grab guns. Law of the Sea and other UN type crap is what he tries to impose on America


14 posted on 06/27/2009 4:24:58 AM PDT by dennisw ("stealth tribal warfare" is what the Sotomayor nomination is about)
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To: EBH

Voinovich and Martinez are leaving. They can’t claim they were pressured. Republicans suck...Some are OK but we have more backstabbers then we deserve
Just look at the Republican jerks who voted that Crap n Trade bill in the House


15 posted on 06/27/2009 4:28:05 AM PDT by dennisw ("stealth tribal warfare" is what the Sotomayor nomination is about)
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To: smokingfrog

Dick Morris said last night that this was an orchestrated vote. Democrats in areas that were not safe, did not vote for the bill, so that they could tell their constituents that they did not support it. Republicans, the same.


16 posted on 06/27/2009 4:34:01 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: dennisw

Can’t claim they were pressured...?

Sure they can! They have to protect their cushy retirement deals.


17 posted on 06/27/2009 4:38:43 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s one thing for the conservatives to vote for a lib Republican in a lib state if no one is a better candidate but not for states like Indiana, Ohio and Tennessee.

Conservatives had better pay more attention to the primaries.

The NRA has filed as a Non-Government Organization in order to fight Global Civilian Disamament. They need every gunowners support.


18 posted on 06/27/2009 6:07:54 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: EBH

You are correct because greasy Mel Martinez is an international lawyer so wants to be on excellent terms with State Department where scummy Koh will reside


19 posted on 06/27/2009 6:14:50 AM PDT by dennisw ("stealth tribal warfare" is what the Sotomayor nomination is about)
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To: smokingfrog
Something seems to be wrong. The actual vote record doesn't match the names in the article.

The final vote was 62-35 w/ 2 not voting (Fatso Kennedy & Sheets Byrd).
So 'Eight' didn't 'cross the line', five of the usual suspects did.

20 posted on 06/27/2009 8:39:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: smokingfrog
Koh is eager to... to push gun control ... someone like him needs to push more gun control through international treaties.
Here's my idea of 'International Gun Control'....

It's hitting your target from 500 yards with iron sights.

okay, 400 yards, I'm getting old :-)

21 posted on 06/27/2009 8:56:16 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51; All

Looks like you are correct. The information in the article doesn’t match with the official vote. What’s up with GAO? They need to get their facts straight.


22 posted on 06/27/2009 9:14:45 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Condor51

23 posted on 06/27/2009 9:23:13 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: smokingfrog
Nice link. Good info..
"All throughout American history, the rifleman has been defined as a marksman capable of hitting a man-sized target from 500 yards away — no ifs, ands or buts about it. This 500-yard range is traditionally known as "the rifleman's quarter-mile;" a rifleman can hit just about any target he can see. This skill was particulary evident in the birth of our country, and was the difference in winning the Revolutionary War.

What's a rifleman?
In short, a rifleman is an armed American, trained in the tradition of American Liberty. It's a man who has learned to shoot a rifle accurately — accurate enough to score "expert" on the Army Qualification Course. Until you can do that, you're considered a "Cook," unprepared and unqualified to carry a rifle on the firing line of freedom.

However, I better clarify something in my post #21 asap.
I was referring to 'the Blue Helmet at 400 yards', NOT a 'man sized target'.

I ain't no stinking 'Cook', not even at 60, almost 61. ;-)

24 posted on 06/27/2009 10:21:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: handy old one

I will be voting against Lugar from now on.


25 posted on 06/27/2009 10:34:52 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: smokingfrog

These push-overs need to be voted out in 2010.


26 posted on 06/27/2009 2:37:48 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: wastedyears

There isn’t going to be anything recognizable about this Country by then...


27 posted on 06/27/2009 2:55:57 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: smokingfrog

Your link to the roll call vote has Lamar Alexander as a Nay, not Yea. I retract my earlier comment about Lamar Alexander, although he failed to support the Coburn Amendement for concealed carry privileges in national parks. Thanks for linking the roll call vote.

Lugar (R-IN), Martinez (R-FL), Collins (R-ME), Voinovich (R-OH) and Snowe (R-ME) were the defectors after my personal inspection of the roll call vote. I have to wonder about your source for the story.

They also bear false witness to Gregg (R-NH) and Hatch (R-UT) who voted Nay.


28 posted on 06/27/2009 4:24:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

I voted against him last November (the “None of the Above” candidate). I’ve had quite enough of him.


29 posted on 06/27/2009 4:34:01 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: neverdem

I didn’t check the roll call vote before posted. I see the same as you.

Looks like Alexander, Gregg and Hatch voted NAY.


30 posted on 06/27/2009 5:11:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: smokingfrog
Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Susan Collins (R-ME) Judd Gregg (R-NH) Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Richard Lugar (R-IN) Mel Martinez (R-FL) Olympia Snowe (R-ME) George Voinovich (R-OH) Once the filibuster was thwarted, Koh’s nomination passed easily. The vote on final passage can be viewed at: http://tinyurl.com/m4m2f5

We can expect the same bunch to stab us in the back over Cap and Trade, with the possible exception of Hatch. But with the possible addition of other "moderates" as well. Maybe even McLame.

31 posted on 06/27/2009 10:13:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: smokingfrog
Lamar Alexander doesn't have the character of a crab louse. Frightened by national polls on Iraq he was ready to throw in with Democrats a few years ago to undermine our troops. A flood of calls and e-mails stopped him. Lamar has grown wealthy enough from politics that he may be ready to retire. If so he could simply sell all his votes between now and the end of 2010.
32 posted on 06/28/2009 2:09:52 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: smokingfrog

They aren’t getting people’s guns without getting the lead in them first. Let them eat cake or lead.


33 posted on 06/28/2009 2:24:40 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: smokingfrog

You know, I’d rather have Boxer and Feinstein as my Senators than Snowe and Collins.


34 posted on 06/28/2009 2:50:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: smokingfrog

Go ahead, Koh, kick that hornets nest!


35 posted on 06/28/2009 4:04:08 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

I, too, am disturbed about the trend Alexander has been taking of late. He hasn’t always been that way. I get the feeling he’s being offered a deal he can’t refuse.


36 posted on 06/28/2009 5:34:46 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: Condor51

“Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Nay

Judd Gregg (R-NH) Nay

Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Nay “

Good. Glad to know they didn’t stab us in the back after all.


37 posted on 06/28/2009 5:35:51 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: ScottinVA

No, I jumped the gun. The original story is lame. Alexander, Hatch and Gregg voted Nay for Koh. You have to check the roll call vote that the poster linked.


38 posted on 06/28/2009 5:41:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: smokingfrog

Relax, fellow FReepers - one more commie, even a gun grabbing commie, won’t make any difference at Foggy Bottom.


39 posted on 06/28/2009 7:24:08 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: smokingfrog; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; AuH2ORepublican; Reagan Man
"Republican" Congressman Mark Kirk reacts to this latest appointment:


::squeal!!!::
I am so PROUD that several THOUGHTFUL, INDEPENDENT members of the U.S. Senate defeated the HATE-FILLED EXTREME RIGHT-WINGERS who would deny this fine DISTINGUISHED appointee from our first black President. Clearly the INTOLERANT right was motivated by sheer RACISM on this one! Thanks to BI-PARTISAN leadership in the Senate, Mr. Koh will be able to pursue a MODERATE, COMMON-SENSE approach of banning all firearms in the United States and locking up law-abiding citizens. I commend our President's CENTRIST approach by nominating excellent appointments like Mr. Koh. My Democrat friends, please send donations to Socialists 4 Kirk, 666 Rino Drive, Hon. Rockefeller Suite, Chicago, IL , so I will be able to join my Democrat colleagues in ensuring we defeat the right-wing NAZIs in the Senate and enact the business of the American people. I'll be BETTER on YOUR progressive issues than Roland Burris!!!"

===============================================

BTW, anyone notice that the eeeeeeeeeeevil John McCain & Lindsey Graham duo WEREN'T on board for confirming this RAT (not surprising, since they have opposed most of Obama's more controversial nominees), but Judd Gregg and Mel Martinez were? I seem to recall freepers touting them as great conservatives the last time they ran...

40 posted on 06/29/2009 12:39:49 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: dennisw

Koh is crazy, plain and simple. His writings reveal his very far-left, wacko theories on a number of issues.

He is more dangerous to the US than Al Qaeda because we can hunt and kill members of Al Qaeda. Koh will work at the White House and destroy us from within, with immunity.

The Obama kingdom is beginning to look like Hitler’s early years.


41 posted on 06/29/2009 1:02:36 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: BillyBoy
Right wing Nazis... ...how GD stupid. They were left wing, i.e. National Socialist. Hitler and the Nazis introduced gun control. Gun control is antithetical to the gun rights foundations espoused by the Founding Fathers. Am I right?
42 posted on 06/29/2009 1:59:14 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: myknowledge

Unfortunately to the media any authoritarian (it’s self a left wing thing in my book) type who isn’t clearly a Marxist will be called “right wing” even if they propose left wing economic measures. “Left wing” they rarely use as pejorative.


43 posted on 06/29/2009 3:41:00 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj

Richard Lugar is a RINO type who doesn’t get talked about a lot in relation to some others.

He makes Graham look good.


44 posted on 06/29/2009 3:45:24 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: El Gato

For the life of me I cannot understand why the Republican party does not get rid of Snowe and Collins. They are outright leftist Democrats. They can never be counted on, ever. The “Conservative Base” has some real work to do. They need to get rid of EVERY SINGLE Rhino.

But then, I doubt there is time, by the next election, America will NOT be America and this band of Extremely Vicious Thugs, will have even the election process taken over. Without a military coup coupled with a Revolution, America will not survive this Fraudulent Thug and his henchmen. As Glenn Beck said on Friday, “We are witnessing the Dismanteling of America day by day”!! He is right. It’s almost dizzying. Very Sad. CO


45 posted on 06/29/2009 10:29:11 AM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: Impy
I agree, Lugar has always been a gutless "moderate" who has the "work with my friends on other side of the aisle" mindset. I would argue everyone on that list is to the left of Lindsey Graham overall, with the possible exception of Orrin Hatch (though Hatch is probably on the same level with Graham, he votes conservative 90% of the time but does something really idiotic from time to time). I'm surprised Lisa Murkowski wasn't with them on this vote.

Lugar came in at #8 last year in the top 10 Senate RINOs. No. #1. was Olympia Snowe, #2. Susan Collins, #4. George Voinovich, #5. Lisa Murkowski, 6#. Mel Martinez. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Lindsey Graham didn't make the top 10 since he votes conservative 90% of the time. In the House, #1 was Michael Castle. #3. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Those south FL Cuban Republicans are just so darn conservative? Aren't they? Sure...) Mark Kirk made #8 last year (no doubt he was disappointed that he slipped below his usual 1st and 2nd slot so he'd vowed to be more liberal this year), and the allegedly "conservative" Peter King was no. #10. Fellow NYer John McHugh is also one of the top 10 RINOs, but he represents a much more liberal district and has become an Obamaite.

Not that freepers care about politicians ACTUAL records in office, sadly. Alot of these socialist politicians will continue to get a pass from most of FR (even the ones in so-called "red states" where the "rule" is we don't tolerate disloyality there), while freepers continue to declare Lindsey Graham is the most evil man on earth instead.

::sigh::

46 posted on 06/29/2009 11:31:30 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: myknowledge
Correct. I was just arguing with some left-wing nut online about that a few days ago, who kept insisting the NAZIs were a "right-wing" political party. I cited their platform for gun confiscation, universal health care, government-funded education for all, a car for every German, etc., a whole bunch of socialist policies that no "right wing" person would be caught dead supporting (nor would any right-winger join or start a party called "National Socialist Workers"). Furthermore, blaming evil Jewish capitalists for all the problems in the world continues to be a favorite scapegoat of the left. The actual "right-wing" party during the during the time of the Weimar Republic was the German National People's Party (DNVP), a national-conservative party in formed in 1918 by a merger of the German Conservative Party, the Free Conservative Party and a section of the National Liberal Party of the old monarchic German Empire. When Hitler's NAZIs won an absolute majority in government after 1932, Hitler forced all DNVP cabinet members and government officials to resign, and all the remaining DNVP's in Germany either "retired" from office or were forced by coercion to join the NAZI party and accept it's platform. Guess Hitler wasn't too fond of having actual conservatives influence government. Hmmm.

My post was a parody of mainstream media talking points, with RINO Congressman Kirk employs frequently (he's the lone Chicago area "Republican" in a competitive district that the media is always rooting for). Kirk will pass legislation even some moderate Democrats can't stomach, and claim his socialist agenda is "centrist" and "middle of the road"

47 posted on 06/29/2009 11:41:39 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Impy
I agree, Lugar has always been a gutless "moderate" who has the "work with my friends on other side of the aisle" mindset. I would argue everyone on that list is to the left of Lindsey Graham overall, with the possible exception of Orrin Hatch (though Hatch is probably on the same level with Graham, he votes conservative 90% of the time but does something really idiotic from time to time). I'm surprised Lisa Murkowski wasn't with them on this vote.

Lugar came in at #8 last year in the top 10 Senate RINOs. No. #1. was Olympia Snowe, #2. Susan Collins, #4. George Voinovich, #5. Lisa Murkowski, 6#. Mel Martinez. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Lindsey Graham didn't make the top 10 since he votes conservative 90% of the time. In the House, #1 was Michael Castle. #3. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Those south FL Cuban Republicans are just so darn conservative? Aren't they? Sure...) Mark Kirk made #8 last year (no doubt he was disappointed that he slipped below his usual 1st and 2nd slot so he'd vowed to be more liberal this year), and the allegedly "conservative" Peter King was no. #10. Fellowing NYer John McHugh is also one of the top 10 RINOs, but he represents a much more liberal district and has become an Obamaite.

Not that freepers care about politicians ACTUAL records in office, sadly. Alot of these socialist politicians will continue to get a pass from most of FR (even the ones in so-called "red states" where the "rule" is we don't tolerate disloyalty there), while freepers continue to declare Lindsey Graham is the most evil man on earth instead.

::sigh::

48 posted on 06/29/2009 11:43:58 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Alexander, Gregg and Hatch voted NAY (against Koh).

The Gun Owners of America article seems to have some faulty information, at least according the senate roll call vote.


49 posted on 06/29/2009 1:57:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Impy; indylindy

I think that Lugar has contracted Patomic Fever, perhaps accompanied by senility. He should have retired years ago.


50 posted on 06/29/2009 6:20:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The McCain/Palin ticket was like a Kangaroo, stronger on the bottom than at the top)
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