Skip to comments.ECONOMY KILLER PASSES IN THE HOUSE!
Posted on 06/27/2009 12:47:42 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
Had enough? You and I, and all informed and concerned Patriots have spent countless hours on the phones and sending e-mails to our representatives, only for them to ignore us once again.
Now what are you going to do? Have more TEA PARTIES? That worked out great, didn't it? I appreciate your efforts; been there and done that when our Fedgov would still listen.
However, you are butting your heads up against the newly formed marxist Fedgov leviathan with signs and slogans, with nothing to back it up.
Once again, I say it is time for civil disobedience. THE only thing these corrupt self-serving totalitarian career politicians acknowledge is MASSIVE civil disobedience as in, Viet Nam war protests.
The next time you gather, it's time to annul (Websters: to make ineffective or inoperative) the totalitarian State that is exponentially growing by the week from the obambi,reid,pelosi socialist triad. Your Nation is slipping away while you conduct Parties and try to be the good guys. Maybe it's time for you to be the "assertive" guys.
The Republic is over, unless us Patriots are willing to give more. I am, and I have my SO's blessing to do so. I'm willing to go to jail for a day or two to make my point. Are you?
1. Physically visit our representatives in their offices and at their homes.
2. Civil War.
Or, I guess there's always the option of bowing under the yoke, which 70+% of the population will certainly opt for.
The ursurpers are stating with their actions that they are prepared to take it to the next level, which makes 'parties' moot, IMHO, unless maybe they are 'tar and feather' parties.
Looks like time alright. To the Bastille!!
Do we have any attorneys who can file some legal motions or TRO’s in federal court to ask the courts to review the Constitutionality of all these power grabs? I realize it’d be a long shot, but there HAS to be SOMEONE with the proper credentials to file SOMETHING to get the courts to rule on the unConstitutionality of the Obama/Pelosi agenda....
Have you noticed how many of these buffoons in Congress keep telling us about how many jobs this bill is going to create? They don’t say a damn thing about their precious environment or “global warming.” It’s all about stealing money from the consumers and using it to create “green” jobs for their liberal pals. What a bunch of Commie piggies.
Your figure is off by 30 percent.
But we shall demand the day off with pay, eat hot dogs and enjoy faux cannon fire, to honor those that would not stand for taxation with out representation.
Good news is that Fox ratings are up, Coulter will release a new book as will Oriielly, to keep us in line.
In line at the hot dog stand to honor those that...
I, too, awakened this morning dispirited, even begrudging for the first time ever the energy I put into trying to stop yesterday's assault (and on my day off to boot).
I applaud your call for civil disobedience. Being the pragmatist I am, however, I say we live to fight another day. This week, the senators are off. We need to prepare our letters, FAXES, and lists of telephone numbers in anticipation of their looking at the House bill. We need to keep Leader Boehner's chart and mockery of the bill high on YouTube and on Rush's and others' talk shows. My opinion is that the Senate won't pass it in its present form and may table it altogether in the face of public outcry.
If we cannot move the Senate, I'll join you in jail.
Regards . . . Penny
All may not be lost:
Inhofe Says Cap And Trade Dead
How dare you!
You know the Senate will stand up to protect America when the chips are down.
No, wait a minute, I just realized, I'm off my meds.
Give me a ring when option 2 starts. I'm in.
Let us see how the stock market reacts to the passing of the bill on Monday. If it plunges, it will influence how the Senate votes. In the meantime, freepers keep refraining from consuming and keep saving your money. That will keep the pressure on the BHO admin and Dem Congress. If the economy refuses to pick up and create jobs, the Dems are toast in 2010 and hopefully in 2012. Be patient, do our part, vote with our consumer dollars and let the radical left Dems to the rest. Starting to see buyers remorse amongst te independents. First sign of big trouble for the Dems is the Xmas sales in 2009. In the meantime organize your family, friends, street and if possible town for the chaos to come as the huge debts can either lead to economic collapse or high inflation. Wash DC will be too far to help us, and everything will be resolved locally. Also keep an eye on California. First unrest will start there and probably will spark unrest in the Great Lake states. Unemployment, and the running out of unemployment benefits will create desperate people like we never seen since the Great Depression. Will US troops/police need to shoot unemployed and desperate Americans? If they do, then it will be tough for us to lecture Iran. Right now get a gun if you do not own one plus ammo for self defense, buy/stockpile enough food for one to four weeks in case of random shortages, buy precious metals to protect your wealth against inflation.
I think visiting them peacefully at their homes would be a start, rather than at some public gathering in DC or Fed buildings/areas. That has had no impact. DC has turned a blind eye to such protests, unless you can muster a couple hundred thousand.
"Civil War", no.
As far as "70+%" accepting the yoke, possibly. However, always remember that it was about 20% who fought against King George's tyranny in the Colonies.
There are those who will live their life for American Idol; there are those who live for Fedgov largess; there are those who live for anarchy.
And then there are those who simply want to be left alone to their own "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which the Declaration of Independence declares as "endowed" by the Creator. Why are such ideals so hard for politicians to understand? Don't bother to answer, I know.
I hope Senator Inhoffe is right that this thing is doomed in the Senate, but I wouldn’t be so confident. Why would these congresspeople put their necks out and vote for it of it would die in the Senate? Look for alot of backroom deal-making when it goes to the Senate, so we need to be more intense than ever and keep up the pressure.
If we lose this battle in the Senate, I think it’s time to look seriously at secession. Unless we can keep these things tied up in courts with tons of lawsuits, but I don’t know if we have the legal people on our side to employ that kind of strategy. Without beating them back with court challenges, I don’t know what other choice we have.
I think Rush summed it up best yesterday when he said “for most people, the pursuit of happiness has switch to the pursuit of survival.”
I just read that North Korea is attacking Maui.
The US Navy is awaiting a carbon offset from a sardine cannery in Norway so that we may respond.
GOP members not voting: Flake and Sullivan.
We are witnessing the death of the Republican Party....RIP...time to move on folks...nothing more to see here.
The possibility of a real Independent party has never been better....
There is little doubt in my mind that the passage of the Cap and Trade bill gave the Chinese plenty of cause to smile as we achieved a milestone in our self destruction, not even a terrorist could hope to achieve. Why worry about foreign terrorists when we have home grown ones sitting right in Washington who couldnt care less about the well being of this country. The sad part is that most people dont even know or understand what Cap and Trade stands for, but they appear to be well informed about Michael Jackson, bless his heart and RIP. There are two things what come to my mind the first one are the predictions by Alexander Tyler a Scottish Hystory professor perhaps some of you are familiar with.
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.”
“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”
“From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years”
“During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage”
And I do believe that we are just about at stage seven. The other is a statement made by an ancient philosopher Plato what in so many word said The punishment for not participating in politics is that you will be governed by your inferiors Sad to say, but I believe it to be true and we have just about reached this point. I further do believe that only a calamity of biblical proportions which will shake this country up to its foundation may bring this once great country back on track.
I've been advocating that for some time. I would love to see all perceived un-Constitutional legislation challenged. Apparently, no one wants to do it. Between the "commerce" clause (much abused) in the Constitution and the "welfare" clause in the Declaration of Independence (which has NO legal standing - it's simply a statement), no one tries.
INTENT has been long forgotten. There was much debate in the first Congress before the individual States signed on in 1787. There was also INTENT when some insisted on the original Bill of Rights and the meaning of said Amendments. However, they all believe in the "balance of power" to protect against totalitarianism.
It seems such has been lost to our current (3) branches of Federal government. The Presidency has long ago over-stepped it's powers (think FDR and more currently, Obama); the Congress has given up much of its power; the Judicial branch has become a legislator and looks outward to International law.
The sad irony is, the Founding Fathers called it Federalism.
Change your Federal withholding to 10. You will owe the Feds big bucks next April 15th.
If 100 million Americans did this AND filed their tax returns with no remittance, the revolution will have begun.
I applaud you. I'll see you there. Just make sure you don't fight the Cops...the handcuffs won't hurt if you don't resist, and remember, they are just doing their duty.
Being a protester from years back, I know that the Police actually LIKE conservative protesters. They would give us much leeway because we were respectful to them, unlike the liberal/anarchists who throw stuff at them during their civil disobedience.
Just sit down when they tell you to leave. And when they force you up, don't fight them...go with the flow. I will personally bail you out Dear Penny. I'll give you my personal e-mail on this very board. I've done it before...used to be known around here.
Yeah, I've read that, and we can only hope. However, Obambi has his personal rights killing Health Bill sitting in the wings. Yeah, I know, one Marxist program at a time...
“Oh, the humanities”...and the blimp is pretty bad too.
(If it plunges, it will influence how the Senate votes)
This could very well be the reason the word is leaking out that it is dead in the Senate, to stop the market from plunging.
Next step is increased pressure on the State to move to reassert the 10th Amendment. And hunker down and prepare.
If that fails, all bets are off.
If this bill were to pass the Senate, this is the Auto Self-Destruct Button. Really Bad MoJo.
Sorry, I don't think so. The Stock Market has changed and is immune to stupid political tricks. It makes no sense anymore, as equities, commodities, treasuries go up and down in unison. Strange. Used to be equities go up, gold & other commodities go down, and vice versus. Not anymore.
However, I can see energy stocks going down a little. Cool. I've been looking to buy back into Cheasapeke (sp) and make so more.
The above aside, think BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China). Personally, I'm staying away from Russia, but China, Brazil and India are the future of growth. All (3) are building their infra-structure and that means materials and energy. All (3) have positive GDP's...where the US, England, and much of Europe have negative GDP's. The above are the future if you want to build your portfolio, as much as I hate to admit it. Emerging Markets...end story.
Adversity employs great talents; prosperity renders them useless and carries the inept, the corrupted wealthy and the wicked to the top
May they bear in mind that virtue often contains the seeds of tyranny
May they bear in mind that it is neither gold nor even a multitude of arms that sustains a state but its morals
May each of them keep in his house, in a corner of this field, next to his workbench, next to his plow, his gun, his sword, and his bayonet
May they all be soldiers
May they bear in mind that in circumstances where deliberation is possible, the advice of old men is good but that in moments of crisis youth is generally better informed that its elders
Apostrophe to the Insurgents, 1782
(The insurgents who stormed the Bastille.)
It still has to get through the Senate.
The man to SQUEEZE is Mitch McConnell.
It MUST be made clear to that bastard AND Michael Steele - that a repeat of what happened in the House will be the END- FINIS to the GOP and not one more Republican politician of whatever persuasion will receive one more dollar if he can’t make sure that all his people - including Graham, Snowe, Collins and McCain vote AGAINST this thing.
Further, they should be told that a failure on their part to kill this will mean we will sit home in 2010 and let the Dems and Obama take over COngress - it won’t represent us or America anymore anyway.
However, the below quote has been debated whether Tytler or someone else said it - some say Benjamin Franklin:
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
No matter. It's obvious that the above statement is coming true...as witnessed by the individual/company/institution redistribution of wealth by the Fedgov over so many years.
Send the rats a message.
The US citizenry has become so apathetic that they are now easily sliding into "dependency" - they want stuff and some entity (Fedgov or State) to take care of them.
Next is Step 8. However, their are a shitload of armed citizens in this Nation that may be the exception to that philosophy. We'll see.
1. Physically visit our representatives in their offices and at their homes.
That might work.. I could always say I was giving them the baseball bat as a present.
2. Civil War.
I don’t like the sound of “civil” but I agree with the war part. This needs to be anything but civil and besides I believe 90% of the Military would be on our side.
Cool idea, but I don't think it takes that many - just one million would have an impact. However, the IRS would be out in force, but how many could they possibly audit and harass? The IRS really doesn't have that much man-power.
I'm thinking just one or two million taxpayers who say come and get me. The Fedgov does not have the resources to deal with such a tax revolt.
A massive Federal Income tax revolution would have an impact like no other political efforts. We need a leader and an organization. Without that, individuals will be devasted if they try alone.
>>Do we have any attorneys who can file some legal motions or TROs in federal court to ask the courts to review the Constitutionality of all these power grabs? I realize itd be a long shot, but there HAS to be SOMEONE with the proper credentials to file SOMETHING to get the courts to rule on the unConstitutionality of the Obama/Pelosi agenda....<<
No, they’re too busy trying to overturn - for the second time - the election results in CA (Prop 8). We will get as help from the legal “profession” as we do from the “free press”.
I agree that is time to stop being nice and maintain a high moral attitude. Look where it has gotten us! Civil disobedience is the next step - if we’ve got the guts. Then, there are other steps.
“Have you noticed how many of these buffoons in Congress keep telling us about how many jobs this bill is going to create?”
The only folk getting jobs are the former felons from the hood that are getting jobs with ACORN to conduct the census.
Congress and Senate found dead one day after some guy named Jackson dies.
I think the reason there are not more Constitutional challenges is because the outcome is uncertain. With the squirelly courts, a loss at the Supreme Court level makes it impossible to reverse— it becomes the law-of-the-land. At least when it is just a law, Congress can repeal it later. That won’t happen after something is decided by the Supreme Court because of their reliance on precedent.
I always thought that was why Reagan never challenged the law that made supporting the Contras illegal. Clearly the Constitution makes foreign policy the purview of the executive branch. Congress is given only the role of declaring war and approving treaties.
So the question becomes: which is better, to let it go and hope to over-turn it later, or challenge in court and make it permanent? Court would be the better option if you knew the decision would go your way...
Finding out where they live and visiting Acorn and their 200+ subsidiaries would be a good early step i think.
In the midst of what zer0 says is the worst economy since the great Depression, what better way to keep it from recovering than to pass a job killer bill to send jobs overseas? Oh, I know, it’s to invite illegals in to take what’s left of American’s jobs and to tax ‘em to high heaven with a health care tax.
Thanks, all of you useful idiots.
start saving up bail money! We need to startt putting our boots up some asses!
Secession in Texas.
I have already placed my state representative and Senator on notice to start the proceedings if the US Senate caves too.
This needs to be done, I am willing to go to jail in this pursuit if there is going to be a massive revolt that will make a difference. There needs to be a concerted, unified effort as the government will make examples of only a few doing it.
“Next is Step 8. However, their are a shitload of armed citizens in this Nation that may be the exception to that philosophy. We’ll see.”
Interestingly, if you look at the Dem/GOP color coded county map from the 11/08 election, you’ll see that the ‘blue’ areas are almost all in urban centers, with low gun density, no wild food, and high population density. The ‘red’ areas are almost all rural, with high gun density, plenty of wild food, and low population density.
If things reach the boiling point in this country, and food distribution breaks down, I think a whole lot of the ‘blue’ population will be gone in short order. Especially if it happens in the wintertime. So, there is a silver lining... ;-)
I make it about a 50-50 chance at this point, higher if cap and trade and/or the health program passes. I’m convinced we’re looking at 20% unemployment and hyperinflation at best, without either passing.
The 2010 election is incredibly important, if we make it that long...
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Cap and Trade this!
Well, if energy gets to costing too much, I just guess we can’t pay for it.... or buy much of anything else... can we?
John Galt needs to figure out how to stay warm in the winter, cool in the summer, and sustain his family’s needs without enriching carbon traders.
Too bad so sad for all those whose jobs depend on our partipating in the economy. Especially in the districts of those who voted for the national energy tax.
These turncoats should not receive a single dime from the Republican Party or its supporters, and not a single vote if they ever run for reelection!
Calling Michael Steele....[sound of crickets......]
Me too. I’d like to get it (CW2) over with so we can get back to being a great country.