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Heresy: Michael Jackson Wasn’t That Good After He Left The Jackson Five
Pajamas Media ^ | June 27 | Ron Rosenbaum

Posted on 06/27/2009 12:03:03 PM PDT by AJKauf

I know this is heresy, blasphemy to the gods of the publicity industrial complex who created and destroyed the later Michael Jackson.

But I’ve let a day pass since his awful death before saying this: after the completely wonderful Jackson Five era, Michael Jackson was no longer a very interesting singer, not after he left the collaborative genius of the J-5. He became known for his dancing (wow, the moonwalk, really memorable!), for his stupid costumes (what was with the whole militaristic thing? And was the glove really all that interesting or distinctive in any way?), for one or two good songs (”Human Nature” or whatever it was officially called) and “Thriller” wasn’t one of them. Come on, do you really think that novelty concoction is worth another listen ever? (Okay I liked “Billy Jean” even though I still misremember the key lyric as “the chair is not my love”)...

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1 posted on 06/27/2009 12:03:03 PM PDT by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

In the words of Michael Jackson himself:

Because I’m Bad, I’m Bad-
Come On
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
You Know I’m Bad, I’m Bad-
You Know It
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
You Know I’m Bad, I’m Bad-
Come On, You Know
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
And The Whole World Has To
Answer Right Now
Just To Tell You Once Again,
Who’s Bad . . .


2 posted on 06/27/2009 12:05:52 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: AJKauf

I never much cared for him either and I’m only 24 ....


3 posted on 06/27/2009 12:05:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: AJKauf

“Off The Wall” was his last really talented work.


4 posted on 06/27/2009 12:06:01 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

Off the Wall and Thriller was all about Quincy Jones, not MJ.


5 posted on 06/27/2009 12:07:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AJKauf

He was a troubled person, but a fantastic entertainer. Sorry, but you’re in the minority and may stay in the back of the bus if you’d like. The rest of us are having fun up front....


6 posted on 06/27/2009 12:07:41 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: AJKauf
Totally disagree.

He was a sad wreck of a human being, but an extraordinarily talented sad wreck of a human being.

7 posted on 06/27/2009 12:08:26 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: AJKauf

Thriller has to be the most overrated song in HISTORY!


8 posted on 06/27/2009 12:10:25 PM PDT by Onerom99 (I)
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To: AJKauf

And he’s only been dead a couple days, golly, it seems like years already.


9 posted on 06/27/2009 12:10:33 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Uh, Mr. President, did you lose your contact lense OR ARE YOU PRAYING?)
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To: AJKauf

I’ve managed to avoid all the media orgasms over this death and have only been affected from the 10 million headlines posted so far on Free Republic. At this rate I doubt there will be much in the news except this for the next 25 years.

HE’S STILL DEAD.


10 posted on 06/27/2009 12:10:51 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: freebilly

Entertainer, yes. Artist, no.


11 posted on 06/27/2009 12:11:21 PM PDT by yawningotter
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To: AJKauf

I agree that the music the Jackson Five did was far superior than any that Michael Jackson did on his own. Yes, he was an entertainer & was probably something to see in a live concert - but a lot of that was “flash”. Yes, he was an innovative dancer & very talented back when he was still a black man.

Then he became....what I can only describe as a “monster”....really. Creepy. Insane. Dark, dark, dark.

When I listen to the early Jackson Five stuff, it makes me cry - it’s really something.


12 posted on 06/27/2009 12:11:37 PM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: AJKauf

The passing of a person having this perverts proclivities would best be met with silence. Even speech against this clown recognizes him. Let him go in silence.


13 posted on 06/27/2009 12:11:39 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Rebelbase

Amen


14 posted on 06/27/2009 12:12:01 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Rebelbase
HE’S STILL DEAD.

Or is he? I think I spotted him the other day with Elvis.

15 posted on 06/27/2009 12:12:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Discussing music one day at lunch (lots of musicians where I worked) a fellow with a doctorate in musicology said "You know, brother Quincy has only one song. You hear it in everything he does."

Another responded "Yeah, and he has only one singer too" (which was Michael Jackson).

Look, no one is beyond criticism and everyboy ain't perfect ~ but mygosh did those two guys reel in the dough ~ and they made it look like fun too.

16 posted on 06/27/2009 12:15:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yawningotter
Entertainer, yes. Artist, no.

Well that's obvious. If he'd been an artist he would've cut his ear off instead of his nose....

17 posted on 06/27/2009 12:15:19 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: buccaneer81

“Bad” in 1987...was the last decent work. Everything after that point was garbage. The guy had a 5-year run with the J5 group and a 10-year run by himself. By 1990...the career was mostly finished. So we are saying now....nineteen years of virtually no great fresh material...and this big hype over the past twenty-four hours....has been over a 10-year effort?

What I find interesting here is that if the guy had simply hired one decent finance guy and let him mind the store....and then lived a reasonably rich lifestyle...he’d be worth $500 million....even if his career ended in the mid-90s.


18 posted on 06/27/2009 12:16:01 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: BibChr

Just curious - what did he do that makes you consider him “extraordinarily talented”? I know he was popular during the 80s, but I never figured out why.


19 posted on 06/27/2009 12:16:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Just curious - what did he do that makes you consider him “extraordinarily talented”? I know he was popular during the 80s, but I never figured out why.

Check out the youtube videos of MJ on Ed Sullivan in 1969 or on the Smothers Brothers in 1971. There you will see a boy who is extraordinarily talented.

20 posted on 06/27/2009 12:21:53 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: AJKauf

I know this is heresy, blasphemy to the gods of the publicity industrial complex who created and destroyed the later Michael Jackson.

Its okay to speak the truth. And the truth is that Michael Jackson and his success with Thriller was a scam. I owned and operated a music store throughout the eighties and remember well the hype that came with the release of Thriller. I remember all too well the great deals offered when ordering advance copies of the LP and Cassette yes cassettes. The great deal was they were only available with no return privilege. Previously all music titles were offered with a certain percentage available for return in the event of poor sales. Sometimes big name artists with good track records for sales had a smaller return percentage. But with the phantom worlds greatest selling album of all time Thriller there were no returns allowed orders were also restricted to large quantity’s. Making Thriller a top seller by the numbers well before the first copies were touched by consumers. I also remember well throwing away around around 75 to 80 percent of these first day ordered lps and cassettes some years later to make room for more popular music selections which did actually sell. Most everyone I knew in the retail music business did the same thing.


21 posted on 06/27/2009 12:24:28 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: pepsionice
What I find interesting here is that if the guy had simply hired one decent finance guy and let him mind the store....and then lived a reasonably rich lifestyle...he’d be worth $500 million....even if his career ended in the mid-90s.

Jackson's financial affairs have been spectaculary mis-managed. He was set for life by any reasonable measure after "Thriller". He should easily have been a billionaire today.

22 posted on 06/27/2009 12:26:21 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: freebilly

LOL!


23 posted on 06/27/2009 12:28:07 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: buccaneer81

Dude Thriller was his last good album. Everything after that was Crappppp! I mean come on ITS THRILLER...


24 posted on 06/27/2009 12:28:37 PM PDT by crazydad (=============)
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To: BibChr

He was a cute little boy. As an adult, he had serious problems.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/2643986/Changing-face-of—Jackson.html

http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=130500&slide=1


25 posted on 06/27/2009 12:28:40 PM PDT by KansasGirl (I still think Obama is just plain creepy.)
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To: cquiggy
And the truth is that Michael Jackson and his success with Thriller was a scam.

What you call a scam someone else would call hard-nosed business tactics. Nobody forced you to order "Thriller".

26 posted on 06/27/2009 12:28:40 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

I compared those lyrics to some of Dylan’s stuff..

lol...


27 posted on 06/27/2009 12:34:12 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AJKauf
"And was the glove really all that interesting or distinctive in any way?"

Was for that other weird pervert, O.J. Simpson...

28 posted on 06/27/2009 12:37:49 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
"Because I’m Bad, I’m Bad- Come On
Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad...

I always thought the prancing little faggot was protesting too much...

29 posted on 06/27/2009 12:39:20 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: crazydad
I mean come on ITS THRILLER...

A great dance album, but not a great music album. MJ was lucky enough to have MTV at a unique stage in its history; the penetration of basic cable into the vast majority of homes in the early to mid '80s.

In many ways, MTV has ruined music. It's been all about the videos for 25 years.

30 posted on 06/27/2009 12:39:32 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I thought some of his songs, some of his videos, and his moves in delivering them, were very creative. If you want to argue that he learned from others (whether Bill Robinson or James Brown) I won’t argue - but who doesn’t learn and borrow and adapt?

As I said in the essay I linked to above, those videos have some terrific element: Thriller; Bad; Black or White; The Way You Make Me Feel. But as I also said, his own personal corruptions managed to spatter each one (except maybe Thriller) with repellent elements that reflected his own brokenness.


31 posted on 06/27/2009 12:40:06 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: AJKauf
Your blogger is talking about different kinds of music and different phases of an artists career.

"I'll be there" was a great song, but Jackson couldn't simply go on forever recording songs of that sort.

He had to try something different, even if it might not be as pleasing to some people.

Moreover, Rosenbaum's not really playing fair:

"Michael Jackson Wasn’t That Good After He Left The Jackson Five" and "Can you name a single post-”Thriller” song he did?" don't make the same claim.

In fact, the two statements contradict each other: Thriller very definitely was a solo effort. And Bad, the next album, may have been bad but most people who've heard of Jackson probably know at least one song off the album.

He's right that Jackson's work in the 90s was scant and unmemorable, but that different from saying that he wasn't any good after he left the Jackson Five.

The unfortunate thing is that Michael Jackson didn't have a successful third or fourth period after the 1970s family group and the 1980s solo phase.

Perhaps he would have gotten away from the dancing and back to melody.

32 posted on 06/27/2009 12:40:16 PM PDT by x
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To: KansasGirl

No argument from me.


33 posted on 06/27/2009 12:40:19 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Redbob

No , Thriller , Off the Wall & Bad were about Michael Jackson with good direction from Quincy Jones. Jones never produced anything like those albums in 30 years until he joined forces with Jackson.


34 posted on 06/27/2009 12:40:28 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: AJKauf

No, he was good. He was leading edge in creating a pop look and sound — especially in the 80s — until he went nucking futs. He kept it fresh and moving and interesting. But then came the day he woke up all alone and musics move where he couldn’t follow. That’s where it all went south and the pedophilia started (IMHO).

But there have been a lot of leading edge performers who have been knocked by later critics. This critique isn’t worth the bits it was posted with.


35 posted on 06/27/2009 12:42:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: cquiggy

>>And the truth is that Michael Jackson and his success with Thriller was a scam. I owned and operated a music store throughout the eighties and remember well the hype that came with the release of Thriller. I remember all too well the great deals offered when ordering advance copies of the LP and Cassette yes cassettes. The great deal was they were only available with no return privilege.<<

Geeze, it really burned you that it was really good and he had the marketing muscle to make a great deal.


36 posted on 06/27/2009 12:44:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: RED SOUTH

Bad was a great record. I Just Can’t Stop Loving You , Liberian Girl , Speed Demon , Dirty Diana. He broke ground with that albuml that non thuggish rappers are still applying today.


37 posted on 06/27/2009 12:45:02 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: yawningotter

“Entertainer, yes. Artist, no”

Bingo. A lot of hype, theatrics and thousands of Extras, Dnacers and Tech backups. Makes for a very entertaining experience (Like Fireworks) and requires very little true creativity or seriousness.

Compare Bob Dylan lyrics to those purportedly written by MJ. Case closed.


38 posted on 06/27/2009 12:45:12 PM PDT by TCats
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To: RED SOUTH

Thriller is still the best selling album of all time so by popular vote based on sales , you guys who hate it are a minority.


39 posted on 06/27/2009 12:47:38 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: AJKauf

Let’s just say it’s like the old Elvis vs. the young Elvis and call it good.


40 posted on 06/27/2009 12:48:56 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Redbob
I thought the glove was to hide his advancing leucoderma (vitiligo).


41 posted on 06/27/2009 12:49:06 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: AJKauf
Being the same age as Michael I grew up listening to the Jackson 5 music, and his when he struck out on his own.

I was never a major fan. Only one album ever held a spot in my album collection, a Best of the Jackson 5 record. Although I liked the Thriller song and the MTV video, it was at that point his popularity was becoming more than I could stomach. To much of him on the POP radio stations.

I began listening to the classic rock album radio stations or to the new country that was starting to take hold of a new generation with great talent like George Strait , Vince Gill, Randy Travis, the Judds, and Alabama.

Following the Thriller period, Michael just got weird. First came the smashing car window video, that started people wondering about his sanity, and it just went down hill from there.

42 posted on 06/27/2009 12:49:33 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: RED SOUTH

Most of the good artists today said they would kill to have a song as good as Billie Jean. They were being interviewed and it seems that song is the golden standard to a lot of them. I don’t mean rappers , who have no talant and only sale records based on thuggishness.


43 posted on 06/27/2009 12:49:42 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: dragnet2
Interesting. See my post 38. Dylan came to mind to me as well. Now those a real Lyrics and not the over-hyped, crotch grabbing, dysfunction that masquerades as ‘Entertainment’ to these people.
44 posted on 06/27/2009 12:50:16 PM PDT by TCats
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To: AJKauf

The author of this piece sounds pretty into himself, both in the traditional sense, and in the sense that his head is up his ass.


45 posted on 06/27/2009 12:52:55 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: pepsionice
The guy had a 5-year run with the J5 group

The best stuff was the first album. I don't care what anybody says, but their first hit "I Want You Back" is a rockin' song, maybe even the best song that ever came from the Motown "Corporation".

46 posted on 06/27/2009 12:55:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AJKauf

He was a sick freak and never got one nickle out of me in his whole career.


47 posted on 06/27/2009 12:55:54 PM PDT by fish hawk (The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: AJKauf

But Wierd Al will him the most!


48 posted on 06/27/2009 1:02:48 PM PDT by TMSuchman (I'll heat up & bring the tar, you bring the feathers & we'll meet in DC!)
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To: AJKauf
Thriller was a great album in the same way that Pet Sounds, Sergeant Pepper's LHCB, and Darkside of the Moon were great albums. Not every cut was top-tier, but enough were, and as a whole the entire album hangs together in truly memorable fashion. My opinion only. Your mileage may vary.

My personal favorite track is the lesser-known "Human Nature" but not because of the lyrics--which I don't care for--but because of Jackson's amazingly agile voice, and the complex layered arrangement, which were perfectly fitted to the song.

But the music deteriorated rapidly and became rancid following that high point. The decline seemed to correspond with Jackson's descent into pedophilia and related bizarre behavior. In a real sense, Michael Jackson has been dead for over 25 years.

49 posted on 06/27/2009 1:04:35 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: AJKauf
In comparing Jackson and Elvis, I think Elvis had more raw talent and a far better voice. I never thought Elvis worked that hard. In his dance work, I think Jackson worked his rear end off, and probably in his singing, also. BTW, he got the moon walk from Marcel Marceau.

Each of them descended into being a freak show, and Elvis died fat and Jackson died anorexic.

50 posted on 06/27/2009 1:04:52 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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