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6 States Want to Nullify Obamacare With Opt Out Law
Publius' Forum ^ | 6/28/09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 06/28/2009 7:48:58 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

Six states are currently looking to add an "opt out" law to their books to protect citizens from the possibility of a national healthcare plan imposed by federal fiat.

Arizona started the ball rolling by introducing the Health Care Freedom Act, a voting initiative that will be put before voters on the 2010 ballot. If accepted by the majority of the voters, Arizona will be able to opt out of any federal healthcare laws passed by Washington. Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota and Wyoming are considering similar measures.

The arrogance of Congress and the president worries many of these state lawmakers, some even consider Obama's healthcare policies a naked power grab...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barackobama; bho44; bhohealthcare; healthcare; lping; obama; obamacare; optout; socializedmedicine; staterights; statesrights
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Constitution? Since when did a Democrat care anything about the Constitution?
1 posted on 06/28/2009 7:48:58 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Yep, my mom told me about this a week ago and thought to myself “Arizona is a good place to live - and we have Sheriff Joe running the jails and kicking out illegal immigrants”

Come to Arizona! We left California in 1996 and haven’t looked back!


2 posted on 06/28/2009 7:52:03 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Wow, you have narrowed down my choices for retirement living. I know that here in Michigan this will never happen and we need to escape.


3 posted on 06/28/2009 7:52:32 AM PDT by kempster
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To: Mobile Vulgus

In time there might be a few states willing to opt of the entire US of Obama permanently....


4 posted on 06/28/2009 7:57:37 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Yep, after cap and trade, my beloved Texas is getting the shaft. Time to rekindle those secession talks.
5 posted on 06/28/2009 7:59:42 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I’m sure Texas, Oklahoma and Alaska will add their names to this list.


6 posted on 06/28/2009 8:00:37 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Looked forward to seeing Florida on the short list. Alas, I remembered Charlie Crist is the governor.


7 posted on 06/28/2009 8:02:54 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Crap, I live in NJ.
Haven’t got a chance.
Except, my husband is in a union, and I am not.
I wonder, would it be beneficial to drop my coverage and go under his.
Interestly enough, we both work for the same company.
Isn’t that a hoot.


8 posted on 06/28/2009 8:05:01 AM PDT by siamesecats
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Now, if these states will simply stick to their guns and follow through, this will be good. And frankly, this is the way that all of us must respond to this Administration; resistance and refusal.


9 posted on 06/28/2009 8:05:20 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: Mobile Vulgus
One thing I never hear about Canadian health care, the plan is administered on a provincial (state to you) basis. The federal government pays the provinces and gives them guidelines, but does not administer the programs.

As I understand it, the US program would be funded and administered from Washington. This is a prescription for disaster.

10 posted on 06/28/2009 8:06:32 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Health Care Freedom Act

Just the name says it all. Marxist monsters in the Democratic Party and going to break up the Union.

11 posted on 06/28/2009 8:10:31 AM PDT by alrea (20% unemployment coming to a city near you in the name of "change and hope")
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To: princess leah
Come to Arizona! We left California in 1996 and haven’t looked back!

Hopefully more Americans will vote with their feet.

12 posted on 06/28/2009 8:11:32 AM PDT by alrea (20% unemployment coming to a city near you in the name of "change and hope")
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To: alrea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA


13 posted on 06/28/2009 8:11:45 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: catfish1957

www.texasnationalist.com


14 posted on 06/28/2009 8:17:06 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: kempster

[[Wow, you have narrowed down my choices for retirement living. I know that here in Michigan this will never happen and we need to escape.]]

Yep, same for where we live- Hopefully, the govenrment will see people moving out of states where there is no opt out option, and get hte message, but I doubt they will recognize that people do NOT want government meddling in private business. The ONLY thing Obama is concerned with is ‘leavign behind a legacy’ for beign hte first president to nationalizehealth care- regardless of how it hurts America!

[[Yep, after cap and trade, my beloved Texas is getting the shaft. Time to rekindle those secession talks.]]

secession talks in the past haven’t really been taken seriously in this country, but with our govenrment sticking it’s nose into businesses the way they are- I think states will now take these talks VERY seriously, and perhaps even move to actually seceed fro m the country, and if such states do so, expect a great migration of people looking to escape from the very same kind of government we escaped from in the first place over in England.

However, look at what Obama and the Demoncrats did to SC governor for refusing to receive the stimulus package- IF states decide to seceed, then expect our mafia run government to attempt to subjugate by force


15 posted on 06/28/2009 8:17:51 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Every state should do this!


16 posted on 06/28/2009 8:19:56 AM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Unfortunately, the Public Plan as proposed will use tax Dollars to undercut any private plan and taxes for health insurance provided to force employers to push people into the public plan no matter what they want.

This opt out law would be totally ineffective.

This administration has no desire whatso ever of providing a level playing field so they could over subsidize the public plan to levels never sustainable for the first few years to force conversions then when reality catches up, it will be too late and the mess will be irreversable and folks will just have to figure how to make it actually work.. in a worse situation than it would have been because of the excess spending to force conversion.. then its soilent green time.. I expect.

17 posted on 06/28/2009 8:33:38 AM PDT by dalight
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To: alrea

“....Marxist monsters in the Democratic Party and going to break up the Union.”

Ironic isn’t it. These “Marxist monsters” and their strong support of Unions, yet the Union of most importance they destroy.


18 posted on 06/28/2009 8:34:22 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Voters? You mean there are politicians in Arizona who give a rats behind about the rights/wishes of the voters? Evidently McCain has been thrown out?


19 posted on 06/28/2009 8:35:06 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: rockinqsranch

This would destroy choice ultimately.

Nobody is going to compete with a government run program.

It will drive private insurers out of business.

And once that happens, you will have to do what the government tells you to do about your healthcare. No choice, no option. And you will not be able to sue the government for anything bad that happens.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 8:36:30 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Here in Indiana Mitch is doing a good job. He will not bow down to bo!!!


21 posted on 06/28/2009 8:43:18 AM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: jackv

Go Mitch!


22 posted on 06/28/2009 8:55:27 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: catfish1957

Good luck, with the democrats in the state congress chubbing (stalling the vote) on everything. Nothing got done this session. They did not even pass the bill reclaiming 10th Amendment rights.


23 posted on 06/28/2009 9:02:10 AM PDT by stickandrudder (Another Bitter-Clinger --------------- Molon Labe)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Just sent the link to my state senator here in Pa.


24 posted on 06/28/2009 9:04:09 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Unless the economy collapses and puts the federal government “out of business”, the time is fast approaching when the individual States will have no choice but to call a constitutional convention.

And though the conventional wisdom is that it could be disastrous, the truth of the matter is that first of all, there will be no other reasonable choice, the issue will be forced; and second, that because 3/4ths of the States must ratify the new constitution, the changes will be limited and to the point.

Unlike the loss of State power with the 17th Amendment, the direct election of Senators, delegates to a constitutional convention will not be elected, but selected, by each State legislature. Thus the emphasis will not be on the political left or right, but on States rights vs. federal power.

Likely, a constitutional convention would be held on a major military base, to protect it from a legion of outsiders who would desperately try to influence it. Delegates would be sequestered, and only allowed to communicate with the leadership of their State legislature. And the military personnel designated to protect them would likely be sworn to a second, special oath, and themselves be restricted to post.

The federal government would be in solely a caretaker role during the course of the convention, precluded from passing any law that might influence the course of the convention.


25 posted on 06/28/2009 9:09:19 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The Feds still have everybody by the nads. Individual states can opt out of getting Federal health care but the IRS will still demand that their citizens pay for it.


26 posted on 06/28/2009 9:12:38 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
the time is fast approaching when the individual States will have no choice but to call a constitutional convention.

Is it true that 30+ states have already called for a Constitutional Convention, with only 2 or 3 more necessary to make one happen?
27 posted on 06/28/2009 9:15:26 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: princess leah

Hey, we left SoCal in 1996 too - from Carlsbad. Only thing I miss is the ocean....


28 posted on 06/28/2009 9:29:50 AM PDT by Prince of Space (H.R. 2454 puts a new definition to the phrase “shovel ready.”)
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To: catfish1957
“Time to rekindle those secession talks.”

You're looking at it now. This opt-out could be considered as a sort of a “soft-secession”

29 posted on 06/28/2009 9:40:43 AM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

We have an excellent conservative state senate here in Arizona.


30 posted on 06/28/2009 9:47:53 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
because 3/4ths of the States must ratify the new constitution, the changes will be limited and to the point.

Riiiight. Dream on
31 posted on 06/28/2009 9:54:01 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mogollon

I have noticed that the most conservative run states, that is where conservatives leaderships reign, are having for the most part fair to good economies even in these very hard times. This is because most true conservatives in such states tend to rein in spending and keep taxes low and have pro-business, pro-industry principles that help their states weather such economic hard times unlike states like California, Illinois, Michigan, New York and many others that are running their states into the ground and into deepening debt.


32 posted on 06/28/2009 9:55:32 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Mogollon

I have noticed that the most conservative run states, that is where conservatives leaderships reign, are having for the most part fair to good economies even in these very hard times. This is because most true conservatives in such states tend to rein in spending and keep taxes low and have pro-business, pro-industry principles that help their states weather such economic hard times unlike states like California, Illinois, Michigan, New York and many others that are running their states into the ground and into deepening debt.


33 posted on 06/28/2009 9:55:51 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Watch the bidding soar for Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate.
34 posted on 06/28/2009 9:56:12 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I know several doctors, and they have expressed that they are worried about what is going to become of them and thier practice if BHO gets his way.


35 posted on 06/28/2009 10:12:49 AM PDT by txgirl4Bush (I Support President Bush and Operation Iraqi Freedom)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Indiana? really? cooool! i like mitch better and better all the time!


36 posted on 06/28/2009 10:16:23 AM PDT by madamemayhem (there are only two places in the world: over here and over there.)
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37 posted on 06/28/2009 10:26:34 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Yosemitest

I only see one bid for $1,000.


38 posted on 06/28/2009 10:31:01 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: txgirl4Bush
I know several doctors, and they have expressed that they are worried about what is going to become of them and thier practice if BHO gets his way.

Who isn't worried about what is going to become of them and thier practice if BHO gets his way.

39 posted on 06/28/2009 10:40:33 AM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Constitution? Since when did a Democrat care anything about the Constitution?
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Democrats don’t OWN this country and there are more people that DO care about the Constitution than don’t and they may find that our the hard way in the end.


40 posted on 06/28/2009 10:43:46 AM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

This is the way it should be. All of the problems we’re having in this country is because the federal government is out of control. We need to return to federalism. States should just tell the feds to pound sand and exercise their 10th amendment rights to SCOTUS. Otherwise, why even have states then? Might as well just have one contiguous nation.


41 posted on 06/28/2009 10:52:44 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: tanknetter

That might be either the resolutions calling for a balanced budget amendment or the 10th amendment resolutions. I would expect that a resolution to call a constitutional convention was be more to the point.


42 posted on 06/28/2009 11:08:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Good idea. Let’s do it.


43 posted on 06/28/2009 11:14:42 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism + Hezbollah + Al Qaeda + Obama + StoneAge = CHAOS)
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To: Mount Athos

Actually, a 3/4ths vote of the individual States would be very hard, indeed, to radicalize. Neither political party has come close to having 3/4ths of the State legislatures, since Reconstruction.

However, at the same time, and right now, there is national, bipartisan agreement among the State legislatures, that the power of the federal government has far exceeded its authorization, and that it is both unlawfully taking away State authority, and making endless unfunded mandates for the States to pay.

This goes to my point of the constitutional convention being focused on reducing federal power.

Importantly, even at the national level, there are a lot of federal officeholders who have discovered that even they cannot stop the explosive growth of government, as if it had taken on a life of its own. For example, many senators and congressmen are very frustrated with the national intelligence agencies, who are in many cases out of control and have no limiting power over them.

The combination of federal momentum and inertia has snowballed into being an uncontrollable monstrosity. Only the individual States have the authority to stop it.

Arguments against a constitutional convention, based on risk, are legitimate, but my argument is that when it happens, it will literally be because there is no other choice. At which point, arguments against it become moot.


44 posted on 06/28/2009 11:18:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They should “opt out” of a lot more than just communist-care. I’d love to see 6 or 16 or 26 states “opt out” of the forced withholding federal income tax from their constituents’ pay checks.


45 posted on 06/28/2009 11:20:50 AM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: txgirl4Bush
I know several doctors, and they have expressed that they are worried about what is going to become of them and their practice if BHO gets his way.

What they should do is simple - quit the medical business, declare their self a minority, and then live off the public dole. When a sufficient number of people finally "go Galt", the system will collapse.

46 posted on 06/28/2009 11:24:27 AM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: bamahead
Let's all secede and arrest the government.
47 posted on 06/28/2009 11:41:15 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism + Hezbollah + Al Qaeda + Obama + StoneAge = CHAOS)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

If other states don’t add to this list I will move to the one that has this.


48 posted on 06/28/2009 12:04:31 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Mobile Vulgus

If state opt out laws were possible, there would be no “need” for or possibility of ObamaCare. Instead of having to opt out of national (how would that work financially and legally, anyway?), the states that want ObamaCare or HillaryCare or RomneyCare would just implement it on the state level.

Of course, they know and understand that it would shift costs to their state and shift income to other states as business and people relocate, so some states definitely want a nationally imposed mandate.

This cost and income shift (which states will pay and which will benefit) is the best way for Republicans in Congress and on the state level to explain to people of most states, and to fight the one-size-fits-all no-choice / anti-choice nationalization of industries and services.


49 posted on 06/28/2009 12:32:07 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“federal fiat”

Is that the new name of Chrysler, after bankruptcy?


50 posted on 06/28/2009 12:41:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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