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Smoker decides to grow his own tobacco
cleveland.com ^ | 6/28/09 | Jim Carney

Posted on 06/28/2009 11:45:51 AM PDT by Nachum

(AP) — AKRON, Ohio - Standing on brown earth on a flat field hundreds of yards from the nearest road, Don Carey is surrounded by tiny plants.

He walks along a three-quarter-acre plot in a desolate spot in this rural township in northeastern Portage County and looks at the thousands of tobacco plants he is growing.

Carey, 49, decided in April, when federal taxes on tobacco skyrocketed, to grow his own.

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1 posted on 06/28/2009 11:45:51 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

“if ya walk too much they’ll tax your feet”


2 posted on 06/28/2009 11:47:23 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Nachum

Five bucks says that 27 different Federal agencies...including the IRS...will be all over his a$$ by the end of this week.


3 posted on 06/28/2009 11:47:49 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Nachum

THe feds are on the way. FDA feds.

If you’re gonna do this, do it quietly.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 11:48:34 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Nachum

I wonder how they would respond to a “pick your own” farm.


5 posted on 06/28/2009 11:50:22 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: Nachum

I wonder how they would respond to a “pick your own” farm.


6 posted on 06/28/2009 11:50:30 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I think you can grow up to a quarter-acre of tobacco for personal use. Any more than that, and it would be... problematic.

Just the same, I could see a massive black market springing up. If TPTB decide to force us into a cashless economy, tobacco, pot and liquor could easily become an illicit sort of currency.


7 posted on 06/28/2009 11:50:50 AM PDT by coydog (Proud to have slept through the Obama coronation!)
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To: TurtleUp

hmmm..interesting idea.


8 posted on 06/28/2009 11:52:59 AM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: Nachum
Under the new tobacco law, Carey is allowed to grow tobacco for his own use, said Siobhan DeLancey, a spokeswoman for the FDA.

Hmmm.... Wonder what the feds have to say about the taxes? I'd be surprised if the 'law' lets home growers skate on the taxes.

9 posted on 06/28/2009 11:53:09 AM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Nachum

I wonder how long it will be before we see the Pot farms in the National Forests replaced by tobacco.


10 posted on 06/28/2009 11:55:00 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Nachum

Although this man is a smoker, I bet that he will be healthier too.

No additives.


11 posted on 06/28/2009 11:55:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Nachum

I wish I knew his secret.

I’ve tried three times to raise up tobacco plants.


12 posted on 06/28/2009 11:56:36 AM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: TurtleUp

I was just thinking that. A tobacco coop like they have organic food coops. Also wonder about the nicotine content of this.

parsy, who smokes a pipe once in a while.


13 posted on 06/28/2009 11:57:16 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: Nachum

Good for him.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 11:57:34 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Califreak

There’s just nothing like picking tobacco worms on a hot summer day.


15 posted on 06/28/2009 11:59:18 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Home grown tobacco ping


16 posted on 06/28/2009 12:00:15 PM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: tet68

My plants always die when they are about the size of a teardrop.


17 posted on 06/28/2009 12:01:05 PM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: Principled
The law allows you to grow up to 1/3 of an acre for personal use.
I'm growing my own and the plants are already over 2ft.
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Three plants of over 30

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No room? Bad soil? Try bags

18 posted on 06/28/2009 12:01:29 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: MaxMax

Sweet MaxMax!

How will the new FDA ruling [putting tobacco under the thumb of the FDA] change things - if at all?


19 posted on 06/28/2009 12:02:44 PM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Nachum
This guy is toast now. The precedent has already been set to drop the hammer on him: Wickard v. Filburn.
20 posted on 06/28/2009 12:03:07 PM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: Nachum

I used to work in Richmond, VA. I don’t smoke and can’t stand the smell of cigarette smoke but those tobacco barns where the tobacco was cured really did have a pleasant aroma.

My Mother grew up on a farm in Florida. They grew just about everything but I can recall her saying the one thing she did not like to work with was tobacco. It was apparently very hard work.


21 posted on 06/28/2009 12:03:45 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Nachum

I’m not a cigarette smoker, but I do smoke cigars. I wonder how this minimally processed tobacco tastes as a cigarette. I’m kind of surprised that this kind of home-grown or organic tobacco hasn’t sprung up.


22 posted on 06/28/2009 12:03:59 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Palin/Petraeus in '12)
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To: thecabal
that was my thought - they will use the commerce clause
23 posted on 06/28/2009 12:06:12 PM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: MaxMax

What kind of bags are those you’re using (if it’s your garden)?


24 posted on 06/28/2009 12:06:32 PM PDT by hemogoblin (Coming soon: Feminists proudly wearing burkas)
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To: tet68

Cutting the stuff in September was close to equaling that


25 posted on 06/28/2009 12:09:58 PM PDT by sticker
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To: tet68

Anything that will hurt tobacco needs a pretty strong remedy. Hornworms can wipe you out quickly. Anything you spray on tobbaco will hurt you pretty quickly.


26 posted on 06/28/2009 12:12:17 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Nachum; Califreak

I think this guy’s screwed. Last I’d heard, we’re allowed to grow a tenth of an acre, and can’t sell what we grow.

Thanks for the ping, Califreak.


27 posted on 06/28/2009 12:13:11 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: Califreak
Starting tobacco is an art form, it's very difficult. I went through at
least 300 seeds before I just put them in the hot house.
I just placed the seeds sprinkled on top of damp peat, then saran wrap
over the top until they started appearing.

Don't give them full sun until they're at least 3-4 inches tall, and then
only a couple hours a day to harden the stems. Then transplant
the seedlings into the ground or 4-5 gallon planters.

When (and they will) they start turning yellow give them nitrogen,
potash and miracle grow. Tobacco needs lots of Nitrogen. Here's how I use it,
Two parts Nitrate of Soda,
Three parts Phosphate of lime,
One part Potash.

This is a perfect fertilizer mixture for Tobacco and give them a sprinkle
at least once a week and adjust as they turn yellow.

/Salute

28 posted on 06/28/2009 12:13:24 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: Nachum

Does anyone know what the ideal conditions are for growing tobacco? Is there something about the states that grow a lot that make them ideal, versus for example Central California?


29 posted on 06/28/2009 12:16:01 PM PDT by unique
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To: Principled
I think the FDA wants to limit the chemicals in Tobacco.
They shouldn't effect personal growers (hopefully).
30 posted on 06/28/2009 12:16:26 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: Principled
There is a loop hole in the roll-your-own tobacco tax law.

You can still buy it without the tax. I give it about a year before they figure it out.

31 posted on 06/28/2009 12:17:27 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: hemogoblin
http://homeharvest.com under container gardening. This is the only site I could
find where you can buy bulk bags.
32 posted on 06/28/2009 12:20:34 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: RandallFlagg

You’re welcome.


33 posted on 06/28/2009 12:22:12 PM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: MaxMax

I have one of those jiffy greenhouse deals.

Maybe I’ll try again.


34 posted on 06/28/2009 12:23:07 PM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: MaxMax

can tobacco be grown hydroponic?


35 posted on 06/28/2009 12:23:49 PM PDT by madamemayhem (there are only two places in the world: over here and over there.)
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To: TurtleUp; All

How about another twist? Rent out the land and anyone can grow on lots which are rented. Farm make money individuals get what they want and no major tax (as of now) on the rental thus negating the federal income on tabacco.

Not to many people will be motivated enough to do it though, Tobacco is a nasty plant to work with!


36 posted on 06/28/2009 12:23:52 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: Beagle8U
There is a loop hole in the roll-your-own tobacco tax law.

You can still buy it without the tax. I give it about a year before they figure it out.

"Do you have Prince Albert in a can?"

37 posted on 06/28/2009 12:24:15 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Califreak
I tried that and it failed miserably. Just use plain ole peat.
I started mine in a foil pan 2in full of peat and ended up with
so many plants I started selling seedlings.

Give them a shot of miracle grow after they're about an inch high.
They (roots) are easy to separate from each other if you just take chunks
and submerse the dirt/roots in water.

Oh, move them from the pan after they're at least two inches tall, and
up to five inches. Just keep the soil moist and out of direct sun.

38 posted on 06/28/2009 12:30:46 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: eddie willers

Or in a bag?


39 posted on 06/28/2009 12:31:25 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: MaxMax

You can just cut a slot in a $2 bag of Walmart manure compost and plant away... it’s just about perfect for this.


40 posted on 06/28/2009 12:38:23 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: MaxMax

Thanks.


41 posted on 06/28/2009 12:38:45 PM PDT by Califreak (Dissident under duress)
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To: jafojeffsurf

I suggested something similar when the new taxes were being discussed .. I don’t think your idea will work because it relies on many people somehow sprouting a green thumb out of the blue..

My “A” plan was to sublet the acreage and have the renters hire me to grow and tend their crops.

My “B” plan was to smuggle in finished tobacco from the Dominican Republic and other growing areas...

My “C” plan is to manufacture “dual use” products .. cigarette tubes and such that are also highly taxed and sell them as something else to avoid taxation...


42 posted on 06/28/2009 12:49:28 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: MaxMax

And don’t PLANT in Miracle Grow! That time release stuff can really screw you if you have to flush your containers to rid the root system of too much sodium or you have nutrient lock out.


44 posted on 06/28/2009 12:52:04 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Beagle8U
There is a loop hole in the roll-your-own tobacco tax law. You can still buy it without the tax. I give it about a year before they figure it out.

Everyone, including us non smokers, has already figured it out and it was posted here in FR so do be afraid to say it out loud, they most likely already know.

45 posted on 06/28/2009 1:01:55 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Nachum
A waste of time and effort, in my opinion.

You can buy cured tobacco at a rate of less than $5 per carton. You can buy cured and flavored pipe tobacco at a rate of less than $10 per carton. You can buy brand name cartons of cigarettes for less that $15 a carton (http://www.okcig.com/Product_info.asp?ID=195).

46 posted on 06/28/2009 1:03:40 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MaxMax

Excellent. We know the allowed acreage. But what is the allowed number of plastic bags? :) Could BATF or FDA clarify, please?


47 posted on 06/28/2009 1:08:08 PM PDT by Behemoth the Cat
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To: Nachum

This is really gonna tick-off the Political Elite.


48 posted on 06/28/2009 1:08:21 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (There is no Far Right.. There is only Far Left.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Good cigar seeds:

http://www.coffinails.com/seeds.html


49 posted on 06/28/2009 1:11:45 PM PDT by USAF70 (America is not 'governed' by the President or Congress. America is governed by the U.S.Constitution.)
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To: tet68

I`ve picked tobacco worms,but only when it was to wet
to get the high-boy in the fields.

We sprayed 4 acres yesterday with Orthene,much easier
than hand picking worms.We have a few flea beatles also

The hard work comes when cuttin` time arrives,but sounds
like you know a bit about tobacco


50 posted on 06/28/2009 1:31:13 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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