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Caught on Tape: What the Nixon tapes tell us about the Republican Party
Slate ^ | Monday, June 29, 2009 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 06/30/2009 9:04:38 AM PDT by presidio9

I wonder sometimes whether the Nixon tapes really will just continue to be the gift that never stops giving. I was in college when Richard Milhous Nixon was first elected president, and I can still remember the profound sense of loathing and disgust that I experienced at the mere sight, let alone the sound, of him and of his most especially repellent sidekick Henry Kissinger. Wiser and older people tell you that the passions of your youth will dry up and that a more sere and autumnal condition will overtake you as maturity advances, but the thought of the Nixon gang in the White House still infuses me with a pure and undiluted hatred and makes me consider throwing up things that I don't even remember having eaten.

Just take a look at the most recent harvest from the tapes that the Nixon Presidential Library has released from the early months of 1973. The impressive thing is that even in the smallest details, the obsessive nastiness and criminality of the bigger picture is further delineated. The foulness of Nixon's mind was not "compartmentalized" between one issue and another. For example, like most "family values" Republicans, he was distressed by the Supreme Court's finding in Roe v. Wade. But, like almost anybody, he could imagine an exception where abortion might be excusable or even desirable. "There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white. Or a rape." The association of ideas between the first mental picture and the second one is so clear as to be—if it were not so hideous—pathetically laughable in an individual, and really quite alarming in a president of the United States.

As so often, his remarks about black Americans are crude and often sexual,

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1 posted on 06/30/2009 9:04:38 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

What does this obsession with the ultra liberal Nixon say about ultra liberals?


2 posted on 06/30/2009 9:06:15 AM PDT by DManA
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To: presidio9

Lib-think on it’s idiotic display. Whatever Nixon believed is the belief of the entire Republican Party.


3 posted on 06/30/2009 9:06:27 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: presidio9

BARF ALERT!


4 posted on 06/30/2009 9:07:20 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: presidio9
What it tells us? That it was wise to dump the Rockefeller wing in favor of Reagan.

I wonder why we never discuss what Kennedy, Carter or Clintoon tell us about the Democrap party.... hmmm.

5 posted on 06/30/2009 9:07:47 AM PDT by SolidWood (Down with the islamic regime! Freedom for Iran!)
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To: presidio9

rantings of a lower-than-whale-sh*t-liberal “author”


6 posted on 06/30/2009 9:08:16 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: presidio9

When do liberals think abortion is “necessary”?


7 posted on 06/30/2009 9:08:19 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: presidio9

Hitchens ....nothing to see here .....move along.


8 posted on 06/30/2009 9:09:24 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: presidio9

Brought to you by the same idiots who think that our founders were not religious...


9 posted on 06/30/2009 9:10:18 AM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: NTHockey
BARF ALERT!

The source (Slate) and the author (Christopher Hitchens) make that redundant.

10 posted on 06/30/2009 9:10:34 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9
"There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white. Or a rape."

I heard that portion of the tape; I found it a bit disturbing.

11 posted on 06/30/2009 9:10:58 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: presidio9

And what would Hillary’s “f-ing jew bastard” comment say about the entire Democratic party if THAT was caught on tape?


12 posted on 06/30/2009 9:11:56 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: Slapshot68
Lib-think on it’s idiotic display. Whatever Nixon believed is the belief of the entire Republican Party.

Uh huh, fine. So whatever Roberty Byrd believed is the belief of the entire Democratic party (since liberals so much love moral equivalents).

13 posted on 06/30/2009 9:12:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: presidio9

[I can still remember the profound sense of loathing and disgust that I experienced at the mere sight, let alone the sound, of him]

Funny, that’s how I feel about Obama.


14 posted on 06/30/2009 9:13:39 AM PDT by KansasGirl (I still think Obama is just plain creepy.)
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To: presidio9

Hitchin’s hatred of Nixon only elevates Nixon in my opinon. The article is full of accusations and name calling, but the evidence he gives in support of his dogma is inconclusive in many cases.


15 posted on 06/30/2009 9:14:32 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: presidio9

All Democrats refer to women as “Sweetie”. I know this is true because I saw Obama do it once.


16 posted on 06/30/2009 9:15:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are a ruled people, serfs to the Federal Oligarchy -- and the Tree of Liberty thirsts)
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To: presidio9

Bump to my tagline.


17 posted on 06/30/2009 9:15:34 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Obama is to Nixon what mass murderer is to jaywalking.)
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To: presidio9
Statement: "...but the thought of the Nixon gang in the White House still infuses me with a pure and undiluted hatred and makes me consider throwing up things that I don't even remember having eaten."

Response: Do thoughts of "The Divine One" result in you experiencing pleasurable anal twitches?

18 posted on 06/30/2009 9:16:33 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: presidio9

Hey Hitch, bambi makes Nixon look like little lord Fauntleroy.


19 posted on 06/30/2009 9:16:33 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: presidio9
When Roe v. Wade first came out, it was thought that the Republicans would be the pro-aborts and the Dems pro-life, mainly because the most powerful Republicans at the time were country-club, want Government not messing with anything domestic, Christians are so uncouth and dirty liberals.

On the other hand, many Democrats like Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, et. al were all pro-life, and since Democrats were supposed to "stand up for the little guy", it was thought they would be the pro-life party.

You can thank the Feminazis and Ronald Reagan for the switch.

20 posted on 06/30/2009 9:17:27 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: presidio9
Chris must have written this on another of his lost weekends

21 posted on 06/30/2009 9:17:36 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: KansasGirl

“[I can still remember the profound sense of loathing and disgust that I experienced at the mere sight, let alone the sound, of him] Funny, that’s how I feel about Obama.”

Hahahahaha...I was just thinking, now I know how the DUmmies felt for eight years with Bush...except a thousand times worse and with solid reasons, not twisted emotions...


22 posted on 06/30/2009 9:18:14 AM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: SolidWood

Shhhhh... as long as the Republican party remains without a leader assclowns like Hitchens have no choice but continue attack men who haven’t been in office for 35 years.

True Republicans spoke in 1976 when Ronald Reagan won most of the South in a primary against Nixon’s sitting incumbant succesor. Ford won the Northeast in a landslide, but they never got to California before Reagan bowed out. It is instructive that Ford chose Bob Dole as his VP candidate.


23 posted on 06/30/2009 9:18:44 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: WayneS
I heard that portion of the tape; I found it a bit disturbing.

Yes, but why would the author have a problem with it?

24 posted on 06/30/2009 9:19:46 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

I do not know; except that it further “justifies” his hatred of the man.


25 posted on 06/30/2009 9:21:29 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: SolidWood
What it tells us? That it was wise to dump the Rockefeller wing in favor of Reagan.

Bullseye!

Nixon was a ultra liberal rino from the Rockefellar Rino Collection (a gift that keeps on giving).

He actually imposed socialistic price controls. He apparently despised Jews, and here he shows his affinity for democrat George Wallace's way of thinking.

26 posted on 06/30/2009 9:23:02 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: presidio9

...and DEAD for more than 15 years...


27 posted on 06/30/2009 9:23:02 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: SolidWood
What it tells us? That it was wise to dump the Rockefeller wing in favor of Reagan.

Bullseye!

Nixon was an ultra liberal rino from the Rockefellar Rino Collection (a gift that keeps on giving).

He actually imposed socialistic price controls. He apparently despised Jews, and here he shows his affinity for democrat George Wallace's way of thinking.

28 posted on 06/30/2009 9:23:18 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: KansasGirl
I can still remember the profound sense of loathing and disgust that I experienced at the mere sight, let alone the sound, of him

The author is describing a reaction that began when he was still in college and Nixon had just become president. In other words, he had nothing to base this judement on. Sounds a lot like prejudice to me.

29 posted on 06/30/2009 9:23:22 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: xzins

I think if he were alive today to run for president, he would most likely run as a democrat.


30 posted on 06/30/2009 9:24:14 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS
I do not know; except that it further “justifies” his hatred of the man.

To whom? The couple hundred people on FR who read this article? As far as his intended audience is concerned, no abortion can ever be wrong.

31 posted on 06/30/2009 9:26:21 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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Nixon took us off the gold standard, and created health care ‘benefits’ deduction for employers.

You dont buy your homeowners insurance or your car insurance from your employer, but why buy health insurance from them?

I am convinced it was a plan from day 1 to creep towards socialized medicine


32 posted on 06/30/2009 9:27:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: presidio9

I was referring to the racist aspect of the comment.


33 posted on 06/30/2009 9:32:03 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: presidio9

Nixon is a mixed bag.

He was a “conservative” only in the sense that he was anti-communist and made his bones stopping communist subversion on the part of Soviet agents.

In terms of economics and the role of government, he was not conservative at all. He was responsible for the EPA and his way of getting control of inflation was his infamous wage and price freeze, which naturally did not work and broke down rather quickly.

He is of course famous for the Watergate breakins and was eventually forced from office over them. He did not order them, his crime was in covering for his men once he did find out. But its good to remember that their purpose was to uncover Democrat perfidy of the time. As happened under Bush 43, classified information kept turning up on page one of the New York Times, and he put together a team of operatives whose job it was to find the source and plug it. When they got in trouble, he tried to cover for them. Should he have? In retrospect, no, but at the time it seemed unfair in his eyes that they should take a fall while the Dems would get off scot free. So he tried to cover for them and the rest is history.

There is more to it, but thats the short version.

Hitchens can blame Nixon for his conduct of the war, but the war was a disaster when he inherited it from the Democrats. He forced an end to it. Then he was removed from office, the Democrats scuttled the agreement and probably 3 million people died as a result. Peaceniks got to congratulate themselves for ending the war, guys like Hitchens can ruminate in their nausea at the thought of Nixon, but it is the Democrats who have the blood of millions on their hands.

Nixon (and Kissinger’s) goal was to end the war in a way that left South Vietnam and Cambodia independent, and Thailand safe from subversion and attack. The Democrats (having lost interest in the war) wanted to end it whatever it cost, and never counted the cost of the millions in Asian lives that their abandonment cost.

I have never met any aging hippie yet who understood that driving Nixon from office and abandoning the Vietnamese brought on the genocide that followed. For them there is no genocide. If a tree falls in the forest, and it isn’t on the evening news, did three million people really die?

Yeah, they did. Good job. Like Hitchens, you’ve got a lot to be proud of.


34 posted on 06/30/2009 9:32:08 AM PDT by marron
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The infinite scope of seething hatred and vitriol of the left in full and open display....What keeps these people from bursting into flames is beyond me.

Then again,Sarah's not in office yet....THAT'LL do it!
I can't wait.
35 posted on 06/30/2009 9:32:14 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Time to CLEAN HOUSE (AND Senate!!!) Kick their butts to the curb!!)
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To: xzins

Nixon also took the U.S. dollar off the gold standard, with the result that our paper money is backed by nothing but the willingness to print up more money.


36 posted on 06/30/2009 9:32:48 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: presidio9
The author is describing a reaction that began when he was still in college and Nixon had just become president. In other words, he had nothing to base this judement on.

I would think that Nixon's history before he became president (congressman, senator, Vice-president, and losing Republican presidential candidate, the Checkers speech, the "kitchen debate" with Khrushchev, the JFK debates, his decades long anti-communism crusade, his HUAC investigation that eventually convicted Alger Hiss, etc.) might have let some form an opinion of him.

He wasn't exactly a "community organizer" stepping into the job after a cup of coffee in congress.

37 posted on 06/30/2009 9:35:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: presidio9

This is a journalist reminiscing about the reason he became a journalist. Nixon made stars out of formerly anonymous newspaper reporters resulting in narcissistic leftists with ivy league college degrees entering the profession and destroying it.


38 posted on 06/30/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: presidio9

And what exactly would your hero Margaret Sanger’s words tell us about eugenicist ghouls such as yourself, Christopher?

Have another belt of scotch and give it some thought.


39 posted on 06/30/2009 9:40:58 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: presidio9

Well most intellegent people do mature and grow up to become atleast a moderate. There still are the perpetually immature and we call them liberals. :)


40 posted on 06/30/2009 9:45:45 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: dead
Hitchens was 14 years old when Kennedy was removed from office by Lee Oswald. After Nixon lost the election in 1960 (when Hitchens was 11), he famously retired from politics for 8 years to become a lawyer again. He did run unsuccessfully for Gov. of California in 1962. He did not appear again until the 1968 election (when Hitchens was 19). I am defintitely not arguing with you here. I'm merely pointing out, that Hitchens had not prior experience with the man whatsoever. At an early age he had already been programed to loath a man simply because he was a Republican.

Compare that to any Conservative you know, who is genuinely fond of at least a few liberal politicians and commentators.

41 posted on 06/30/2009 9:49:20 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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How soon people forget that Nixon’s racial attitudes weren’t so unique at all, but merely a reflection of quite a wide swath of society at the time. Interracial relationships *weren’t* mainstream by any stretch. Remember the interracial kiss on Star Trek with Kirk and Ohura? Caused quite a stir.

Nowadays we yawn and wonder what all the fuss was about, but we cannot directly interpret past attitudes and actions through a present-day moralistic prism. It’s utterly unfair. Nixon’s attitudes on race weren’t anything unusual for the time.


42 posted on 06/30/2009 9:53:40 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: dead
Hitchings views himself as an extremely intelligent person. If one could stomach the acrid arrogance on display at his website for a bit of time, they would be treated to his extremely highbrow polemics including his anti-God, anti-religious screeds that drip with contempt for anyone who does not celebrate his profound thoughts and punditry.

In other words, he's a major tool. He called Rick Warren a “vulgar huckster” following the Warren-moderated debate. He called McCain “borderline senile” during the election (maybe he got one thing right) and he called Palin “a disgrace”.

His name is synonymous with the words “radical leftist”, “arrogant elitist”, “Marx worshiper”, “religious atheist”.

43 posted on 06/30/2009 9:56:31 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: presidio9; dead

Without getting into these ins and outs, I think dead is correct about one thing. It was Nixon’s role in the Alger Hiss business and the McCarthy red hunt that first earned him the enduring, knee-jerk hatred of liberals.

Sure, he was a liberal in office. He gave us the EPA. He gave us the opening to Red China.

In the minds of knee-jerk liberals and their kids, he was responsible, along with Senator McCarthy, for the Salem witch trials and the Spanish Inquisition.


44 posted on 06/30/2009 9:58:54 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero; dead

I agree with both of you, but most of what you are referring to took place before Hitchens was born, or when he as a very small boy. Without much TV or any internet. He had little first-hand experience with Nixon. Certainly not enough to loath him. I know FDR was a terrible president, because of what my grandparents told me, and because of what I have read in the history books. But will never have enough personal familiariaty with the man to loath him unless he rises from the grave and starts chasing me down the block as a wheelchair zombie.


45 posted on 06/30/2009 10:07:54 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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No matter the sins of Nixon my loathing is greater for Nixon's myriad enemies. Defenders of Hiss, haters of Chambers, haters of the House Committee on un-American Activities, haters of McCarthy, "anti-war" pro-Ho street rabble and "journalists", international federalists, Communists, Marxist-Alinsky street rabble -- the entire left.

Yes the MSM hysteria reached the point where conservatives had to support the removal of a president.

What did Nixon do that no other president had done? Seriously.

Re: racists.

Al Gore senior, William Fulbright, Lyndon Johnson, . . . .

.. and before the 1960s there are lots of hits when you look for Democrat racist history. As for Nixon and his Christian friends virtually "owning" anti-Semitism well I don't think so.

As for Hitchens' claim that a huge number of American lives and an incalculable number of Vietnamese ones were thrown away to end the war on more shameful terms than had been on offer in the fall of 1968 just look at the post-war comments of the VN Communists.. what really did keep them in the war after their defeat in the Tet Offensive? The American press and the "anti-war" activities in the U.S., that's what! Hitchens and his street rabble friends and pro-Ho heroes.

To wit, "A Vietnamese journalist who was sympathetic to the communist cause during the war and who escaped to Paris after the fall of South Viet Nam had this to say: 'A physician who makes an error kills his patient; a general who makes an error kills his division; a journalist who makes an error kills an entire country.' And this was exactly what happened in Viet Nam. General Vo Nguyen Giap stated in a French television broadcast that his most important guerilla during the war was the American press. This was indeed a tragic compliment! The U.S. media coverage of the Tet Offensive was a classic case of irresponsible reporting . . . ."

"The Twenty-Five-Year Century" 2002 Symposium

46 posted on 06/30/2009 10:22:34 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: presidio9

1973? That was 35 years ago. The majority of Obama voters hadn’t even been born yet.


47 posted on 06/30/2009 10:33:20 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: presidio9; Cicero
He had little first-hand experience with Nixon. Certainly not enough to loath him... It was Nixon’s role in the Alger Hiss business and the McCarthy red hunt that first earned him the enduring, knee-jerk hatred of liberals.

Exactly. No, he was too young to have anything to base his "loathing" on, he inhaled it. Nixon was widely loathed by the left because of his role in chasing communists in his early days. The left never admitted that Hiss was guilty, that the Rosenbergs were guilty, that McCarthy was telling the truth, and that the people in Hollywood who were blacklisted were blacklisted by their Hollywood friends, and not by McCarthy, who wasn't even around then.

Bush Derangement Syndrome didn't start with Bush, or Bork, or Thomas. Its how the left reacts to anyone who crosses their path. At least, thats how I see it. Hence, Nixon, Chambers, McCarthy.

48 posted on 06/30/2009 10:33:21 AM PDT by marron
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To: presidio9

What those tapes tell us about the GOP? Nothing. That was almost 4 decades ago, Nixon is long dead, as are most of the people he had with him. It’s about as relevant as the campaign musings of Dewey when defeated by Truman.


49 posted on 06/30/2009 10:43:38 AM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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To: presidio9
What the Nixon tapes tell us about the Republican Party Nixon.

There. Fixed it.
50 posted on 06/30/2009 10:51:18 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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