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Ford's dilema: F-150 still outsells Camry (Dilemma??)
M-Live ^ | 6/30/09 | John Ooosting

Posted on 06/30/2009 1:16:57 PM PDT by pissant

As Ford looks to reinvent itself with smaller, energy efficient vehicles they are faced with the stark reality that as of late May their Ford F-150 series continues to outsell the Toyota Camry.

Let that sink in for a moment. The best-selling truck in the U.S. still outsells the best-selling car, according to a report by the American Institute for Economic Research.

New car sales have generally declined through the 1990's to the present, while truck sales rose precipitously from the 70s until just a few years ago. Annual car and truck sales are now virtually even.

President Obama last month announced new fuel efficiency standards that will require all trucks to get 30 mpg and all cars 39 mpg by 2016.

Ford and other automakers, per the report, must now forecast whether energy prices will continue to rise and how that will effect the sales of new vehicles.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; ford; fordmotor; toyota; trucks
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Solution. Tell Obama to FO and keep selling what the people want.
1 posted on 06/30/2009 1:16:58 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Sounds like a plan.


2 posted on 06/30/2009 1:17:54 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: pissant

Solution. Tell Obama to FO and keep selling what the people want.

Precisely what a heck of a lot of people/companies will have to do, or lose customers, money and rights.


3 posted on 06/30/2009 1:20:05 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: pissant

When the time comes to replace the Dodge Ill be looking very close at the F150. So far it looks like Ford is the last man standing.


4 posted on 06/30/2009 1:20:30 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support The American Tea Party)
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To: pissant

I’d love to have an F-150 that got 32 miles per gallon, but what I want and reality often clash with reality winning the battle.


5 posted on 06/30/2009 1:20:37 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: pissant

I believe the F-150 will be popular for years to come....I own a 2006 myself...and buy a new one every 5 years...unless Obama outlaws them....


6 posted on 06/30/2009 1:21:00 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: pissant

Instead of selling new vehicles, maybe Ford can just refurbish the old ones. Bring your truck to the dealer every 10 years or so for a new engine.


7 posted on 06/30/2009 1:21:30 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Carbon Dioxide is NOT POLLUTION)
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To: pissant
The real solution is going to come when people who pay their taxes themselves find they don't have the $ and decide not to pay. These are the small business owners and self employed. They pay big.
8 posted on 06/30/2009 1:21:54 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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To: pissant

Actually, it is a problem. The majority of those F-150s are stripped out models sold to fleets. The profits on those variants is quite small and at times when gas is up, sometimes nonexistent.


9 posted on 06/30/2009 1:23:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: pissant

I have a ‘73 F250, and to my eyes, it looks like the best plan is to begin stocking up on parts to keep that old bull running like a top long into the future.


10 posted on 06/30/2009 1:24:37 PM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: pissant

LOL

Right on - I have an F350, a 1992 model and it still gets 17 / hwy. 351 Clev V8 with 199+K miles and still running strong.


11 posted on 06/30/2009 1:24:53 PM PDT by ASOC (Who is that fat lady? And why is she singing???)
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


12 posted on 06/30/2009 1:25:05 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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To: pissant

Dilemma? It tells me the clown cars of the future aren’t going to be received well by Americans .. if at all. I look for those standards to change with a new Congress.


13 posted on 06/30/2009 1:25:11 PM PDT by mgc1122
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To: Spktyr

And how many useless camry’s are sold to fleets in the rent a car industry. I always make sure to request something other than a camry when I rent.


14 posted on 06/30/2009 1:25:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: DogBarkTree
We are buying F-150s and other pick-up trucks because we are going to need them!


15 posted on 06/30/2009 1:25:24 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: pissant

This just shows you how incredibly stupid the UAW is. They’ve helped to elect someone who’s primary intention is to put their employers out of business. So far, that person has been wildly successful at doing just that.


16 posted on 06/30/2009 1:26:09 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Palin/Petraeus in '12)
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To: OldDeckHand

Yup


17 posted on 06/30/2009 1:26:35 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
"Solution. Tell Obama to FO and keep selling what the people want."

Amen!

18 posted on 06/30/2009 1:26:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Niteflyr
I'm guessing Obama doesn't gt the vote of most pick-up drivers.

He doesn't care one bit about Ford's dilemma.

19 posted on 06/30/2009 1:27:05 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: pissant

My generic white F-150 is sittin’ just outside my office door!


20 posted on 06/30/2009 1:28:41 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a Daffy Duck)
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To: pissant

This is what Obama wanted to do.

Markets be damned, we will tell you what to make.

I have been in the market for making a Ford purchase. I believe I now may be more inclined.


21 posted on 06/30/2009 1:29:02 PM PDT by KRyanJames
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To: pissant

Agreed.


22 posted on 06/30/2009 1:29:07 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: listenhillary

Diesel and hybrid tech.


23 posted on 06/30/2009 1:29:07 PM PDT by John Will
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To: ASOC
I have an F350, a 1992 model and it still gets 17 / hwy.

Mine is an '06 F-150 shortbed STX with the 4.2 V6 rated at 20 mpg highway and I don't doubt it one bit with the 5 speed automatic/OD though I have never checked it myself. I have been amazed at this engine from the very first day. Runs on regular has more power than you think a small V6 should have hauling a truck this size.

24 posted on 06/30/2009 1:29:39 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: pissant
President Obama last month announced new fuel efficiency standards that will require all trucks to get 30 mpg and all cars 39 mpg by 2016.

Are those the EPA Highway numbers or the combined numbers?

25 posted on 06/30/2009 1:31:28 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: pissant

Camries aren’t sold at a loss, and they rarely even have incentives - so Toyota makes lots of profit from them.


26 posted on 06/30/2009 1:31:55 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I don’t think that UAW has any real foresight beyond their next paycheck; which may just be saying the same thing you are in a different way. OTOH, maybe they don’t have to. They have 0bama’s undivided attention with their $60 MM of contribution, and that’s nothing to sneeze at in a bribocracy.


27 posted on 06/30/2009 1:32:20 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (What kind of organization answers the phone if you call a suicide hotline in Gaza City?)
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To: pissant

I still don’t understand how Ford was able to not take bailout money when GM and Chrysler nearly died without it. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad that Ford didn’t and is still an independant company and not run by washington. A bit of news that was never explained.


28 posted on 06/30/2009 1:32:49 PM PDT by Texas resident ( Cut n Shoot Texas: Got it's name honestly.)
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To: pissant

How about updating the Ranger. Toyota sells a LOT more Tacoma’s than Ford sells Rangers (I bet). The Ranger has been a weak sister for years. Why can’t they build a great smaller truck?


29 posted on 06/30/2009 1:33:12 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: pissant

They’re vehicles for rather different purposes (and both excellent vehicles). But I see the point, yes: What’s “magically” to become of all that demand for the WORK that a full-sized pickup does, once the new CAFE standards come slamming down in a few years? Magically, people just won’t need pickups, right? Unicorns and skittles.


30 posted on 06/30/2009 1:33:24 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: pissant
"As Ford looks to reinvent itself with smaller, energy efficient vehicles they are faced with the stark reality that as of late May their Ford F-150 series continues to outsell the Toyota Camry."

How in the hell can someone write the above statement with a straight face? The absurdity is getting too much to take...

31 posted on 06/30/2009 1:33:28 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
"They have 0bama’s undivided attention with their $60 MM of contribution, and that’s nothing to sneeze at in a bribocracy."

I imagine this is where they're hoping their "card check" bill will get passed. They'll then move, at great speed, to try and unionize all the Japanese and German non-union plants in the south.

It will be interesting how, if "card check" passes, the foreign owned, US plants will react - will they just shutter production at those facilities?

32 posted on 06/30/2009 1:36:06 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Palin/Petraeus in '12)
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To: pissant

Talk is cheap, Toyota.

33 posted on 06/30/2009 1:36:19 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: Red_Devil 232

How true.
We will need them....


34 posted on 06/30/2009 1:37:41 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: Texas resident

Maybe they kicked the arm twisters from government out of their offices.


35 posted on 06/30/2009 1:37:42 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: pissant

Only the left would see making a product that people actually want to buy as a dilemma.


36 posted on 06/30/2009 1:37:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: earlJam
Although a Toyota is great for what it's meant TO be, it still can't help me haul that sectional sofa I wanted from Craigslist.

Which is, I suppose, your point!

37 posted on 06/30/2009 1:38:25 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: pissant

38 posted on 06/30/2009 1:39:42 PM PDT by McGruff (We are still waiting to see how the situation in Iran plays out - Barack Obama 6/26/2009)
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To: pogo101
"What’s “magically” to become of all that demand for the WORK that a full-sized pickup does, once the new CAFE standards come slamming down in a few years? Magically, people just won’t need pickups, right?"

If Obama et. al. aren't afraid to dictate what light bulbs you can buy, I bet that they'll have no problem limiting what kind of replacement parts can be purchased for "environmentally unfriendly" vehicles like SUV's and Pick-up trucks.

I'm going to hold on to my '98 F150 as long as possible, but I hope I don't need a new engine or transmission in a few years.

39 posted on 06/30/2009 1:40:09 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Palin/Petraeus in '12)
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I have ten months left on my Government Motors HHR. I cannot wait to buy a Ford. My Dad had an F150 and I learned to drive in it. Loved it.


40 posted on 06/30/2009 1:40:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: pogo101

Actually, I own both an F150 and a Toyota.

I trust my Toyota more. I like my F150 more.


41 posted on 06/30/2009 1:40:45 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: pissant

He can’t do that. He’s out to ruin this country and if Ford is successful he can’t attain his goals. He’s going to cause some really big problems one of these days and the people won’t take it.


42 posted on 06/30/2009 1:41:53 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Niteflyr

I would love have an F250, V6, long bed, extended cab or 6pax (my 350 is the 6 pac) 5 speed manual with 4x4. I don’t want to pay the (here) nearly $50K for a new one.

Current rig can tow my 5th wheel with room for the whole gang when we go camping (OK, RVing)

I did see where Ford took some FedGov bucs as a bridge loan....


43 posted on 06/30/2009 1:42:00 PM PDT by ASOC (Who is that fat lady? And why is she singing???)
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To: pissant

44 posted on 06/30/2009 1:42:02 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: All

I wish that they would come out with a small (6Cyl), turbodiesel engine that can easily get 200 hp and around 28 mpg. highway. Ford would make a killing off of that type of engine. I don’t care about getting 0-60 in 6-7 seconds.


45 posted on 06/30/2009 1:42:11 PM PDT by Maringa
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To: ASOC

Really? My F250 gets 12.

Of couse, it is geared for the plow.


46 posted on 06/30/2009 1:43:34 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Jack Black

My ranger has 250K miles. I like it just fine.


47 posted on 06/30/2009 1:44:50 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

I had two new Rangers before I started buying 150’s....not a thing wrong with them....I just wanted more room in the cab....bad knees and all...:o)


48 posted on 06/30/2009 1:46:29 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Not a bad idea Harley Davidson will do that with their motorcycles. If anything major goes on my bike (200000+ miles on it now) I can send it back to harley and exchange the motor for a new one and still keep the orginal VIN #


49 posted on 06/30/2009 1:49:11 PM PDT by bikerman (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: pissant

No surprise. There are lot more options for good cars than for good pickup trucks. The F150 just has a good market share.

Overall, how may cars vs. how may pickups are sold?


50 posted on 06/30/2009 1:49:26 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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