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Jesus Fish/Darwin Fish
CMI ^ | Grant Williams

Posted on 07/01/2009 11:50:20 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Jesus Fish/Darwin Fish

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Atheists use their Darwin fish to protest against the Christian faith. That they use evolution to counter biblical faith shows how foundational the issue of origins is to the gospel, and that church leaders who dismiss it as a ‘side issue’ have their heads in the sand...

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KEYWORDS: blogspam; catholic; christian; creation; cretinism; evolution; fools; intelligentdesign; jewish; judaism; moralabsolutes; pseudoscience; science
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1 posted on 07/01/2009 11:50:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/01/2009 11:51:29 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 07/01/2009 11:52:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: scripter

Ping!


4 posted on 07/01/2009 11:53:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
However you respond to the ‘fish with legs’ decal, remember that this plastic image has been intelligently designed, and this ‘fish out of water’ has yet to be found anywhere in a fossilised form. It certainly is a creative, but fictional, ‘missing link’.
5 posted on 07/01/2009 11:53:32 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If evolution’s target isn’t Christianity,

why pervert the symbol of Christianity “in protest”?


6 posted on 07/01/2009 11:53:40 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Welcome back GGG!


7 posted on 07/01/2009 11:54:27 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: MrB

If it is not real, then why do the atheists protest against Christianity? What are they so insecure about? Is it that truth conquers lies just as a light conquers darkness and not the other way around?

“If there were no God, there would be no atheists to hate Him.”


8 posted on 07/01/2009 11:57:04 AM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (To the government slugs who don't like tea parties: "How about some tar and feathers?")
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To: GodGunsGuts
This self-important bloviation reminds me of an old "Kudzu" cartoon from the storyline where Reverend Will B. Dunn runs for President.

A reporter asks him if he stands behind his contention that God -- the Creator of the universe, the Supreme Being, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,... [several more panels of dialog along these lines]... the Alpha and the Omega, personally told him to run for President.

Will B. Dunn flatly replies, "Yes."

The assembled reporters crack up into raucous laughter.

Will B. Dunn thinks, "Ain't it awful how these secular humanists scoff at religion?"

9 posted on 07/01/2009 11:57:35 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Enoughofthissocialism

I’ve heard evil defined as the absence of good, like a wound is the absence of bodily integrity.

Lies, then, are the absence of the Truth, the absolute, objective Truth.


10 posted on 07/01/2009 11:58:49 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB
If evolution’s target isn’t Christianity,

why pervert the symbol of Christianity “in protest”?

BINGO!

11 posted on 07/01/2009 11:59:16 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: MrB

I think we both know the answer to that question!


12 posted on 07/01/2009 11:59:31 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Great to see you back!


13 posted on 07/01/2009 11:59:46 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

Thanks...did I miss much???


14 posted on 07/01/2009 11:59:52 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: MrB
If evolution’s target isn’t Christianity,
why pervert the symbol of Christianity “in protest”?

It's not a protest, it's a joke. The people who respond with a larger Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish are taking it in the right spirit. The self-serious author of this article unfortunately lets his persecution complex get in the way of his sense of humor.

15 posted on 07/01/2009 12:01:33 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: MrB

“If evolution’s target isn’t Christianity,

why pervert the symbol of Christianity “in protest”?”

Because perverting the symbol of Islam is a good way to end up a head shorter. . . Christians turn the other cheek, so that’s safe.


16 posted on 07/01/2009 12:02:12 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Great to be back :o) Has the HMS Creation seen any action while I’ve been away???


17 posted on 07/01/2009 12:03:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[Jesus Fish/Darwin Fish —snip— Atheists use their Darwin fish to protest against the Christian faith.]]

That’s ok- God will use His fist to ‘protest’ against htem in the final days and at judgement day- let em squeek now, it’s nothiugn compared to the squeeling later.


18 posted on 07/01/2009 12:04:09 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: combat_boots
However you respond to the ‘fish with legs’ decal, remember that this plastic image has been intelligently designed, and this ‘fish out of water’ has yet to be found anywhere in a fossilised form. It certainly is a creative, but fictional, ‘missing link’.

Fossils? Just take a freshman-level course in marine biology.


19 posted on 07/01/2009 12:04:53 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: No Truce With Kings

They wouldn’t think to attack Islam, anyway.
In the big Truth vs Error struggle, they’re on the same side.


20 posted on 07/01/2009 12:05:56 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: CottShop

Ouch!


21 posted on 07/01/2009 12:06:13 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: CottShop

I can really feel the love in this post. It feels like heartburn.


22 posted on 07/01/2009 12:07:20 PM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

I laughed the first time I saw a Darwin fish, although I am Christian.

But there isn’t much question what it means. Not just “I’m an atheist/agnostic evolutionist,” but “My belief supplants and mocks your belief.”

I like the fishhook cartoon up above.


23 posted on 07/01/2009 12:08:04 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: MrB
I’ve heard evil defined as the absence of good, like a wound is the absence of bodily integrity.

That's a terrible definition. Last week, twenty miles from me, a young man named Mark Becker walked into a high school weight room and shot football coach Ed Thomas dead (see today's Sports Illustrated cover). If Mark merely lacked "good" he could have just sat on the couch and watched TV all day. Evil acts are sometimes affirmative, active things, not merely the absence of something.

Lies, then, are the absence of the Truth, the absolute, objective Truth.

No, because silence is also the absence of the truth (or the Truth). Lying is an affirmative action.

24 posted on 07/01/2009 12:09:02 PM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I had a species of salamander that grew legs again and could reattach a leg. And, yes, I’ve taken collegiate biology classes.

The quote I posted was from the article. The point I was making is that definitive missing links have not been proved, despite the presumption of scientists that evolution is a presupposition. It’s not, and denying the antecedent is impossible.


25 posted on 07/01/2009 12:09:58 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The author of this huffy little article needs to chill out.


26 posted on 07/01/2009 12:10:55 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: xjcsa

It’s a recognition that man, left to his own devices, will act in an evil manner, due to his fallen, sinful nature.

That’s the correct vision of the nature of man.

In contrast, the source of all ideological error is the assumption that man is “basically good”.


27 posted on 07/01/2009 12:13:03 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Reminds me of the Grat Carfish Wars

circa 1999; Boston - Innocent Jesus fish start to appear on cars. This is followed by the Darwin fish complete with cute little legs. Not to be outdone, the Jesus fish owners get TRUTH fish that are eating the Darwin Fish. Finally, there is the really committed evolutionist car owner who gets the dinosaur eating the TRUTH fish.

Ah, the good old days...


28 posted on 07/01/2009 12:13:30 PM PDT by Hoodlum91 (There's a strange odor coming from the White House. Smells like BO.)
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To: MrB

I’ve never seen the “Darwin fish” described as a protest symbol before. I’ve even seen cars with both the Christian fish and the Darwin fish.


29 posted on 07/01/2009 12:14:34 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: GodGunsGuts

If believers in Darwinism claim it is not a religion why do they have religious symbols?


30 posted on 07/01/2009 12:15:39 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
It's not a protest, it's a joke. The people who respond with a larger Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish are taking it in the right spirit. The self-serious author of this article unfortunately lets his persecution complex get in the way of his sense of humor.

I have never seen where some has made the effort to purchase and install on their car a Darwin hate symbol attacking the Jewish or the Islamic faiths.

31 posted on 07/01/2009 12:16:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: goodusername

And I’ve been to someone’s house that had a Koran and a Bible on the shelf next to each other.

Yes, there are some confused people out there.


32 posted on 07/01/2009 12:16:21 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB
It’s a recognition that man, left to his own devices, will act in an evil manner, due to his fallen, sinful nature.

OK...

That’s the correct vision of the nature of man.

No question mankind is fallen.

In contrast, the source of all ideological error is the assumption that man is “basically good”.

That's the source of *all* ideological error? I could see it being the source of most anthropological error, but you really can't think of *any* ideological error that isn't directly descended from that one error?

33 posted on 07/01/2009 12:16:59 PM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: heartwood
That's funny ... the first time I ever saw that symbol, I laughed, too, because I am a Christian with a decent knowledge of the theory of evolution and natural selection. I liked the symbol because to me it said, "You can be a Christian and a non-denier of evolution at the same time."

Evolution doesn't challenge God, it challenges human pride.

34 posted on 07/01/2009 12:17:13 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: goodusername
I never understood those who believe evolution is incompatible with Christianity.
35 posted on 07/01/2009 12:18:19 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Great to be back :o) Has the HMS Creation seen any action while I’ve been away???

Some mild chop and a couple of squalls but nothing I really noticed.

Glad to have Captain GGG back at the helm.

36 posted on 07/01/2009 12:18:24 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: xjcsa

I’ve actually done the research for various presentations.

Starting from Sowell’s Conflict of Visions, where he states the dichotomy of (his terms) the “constrained” vs the “unconstrained” view of man,
I took it back to where THOSE views of man come from - the nature of man, fallen and flawed, or “basically good” and perfectible.


37 posted on 07/01/2009 12:20:00 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Hoodlum91

I’ve always considered using one’s bumnper to put forth some ideological or political viewpoint as the depth of silliness.


38 posted on 07/01/2009 12:20:43 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: heartwood

>> I laughed the first time I saw a Darwin fish, although I am Christian.

I have been laughing at the “fish wars” since the first variants started coming out. I’ve seen some clever variants (my favorite I think was the “gefilte fish”).

A serious threat to the Church of Christ? Nah. I don’t think this will exactly “prevail against it”.

I feel sad for those who a) believe there’s nothing more to the universe than... well, than us sorry critters who evolved from dust and b) are, yet, so insecure about that “faith” they profess, that they have a strong need to attack those of us who believe otherwise.

It is our job as Christians to show them the light with meekness and love. That’s the best thing we can do. “For it is appointed to man once to die... and then the judgment”. The atheists can do nothing to escape that outcome.


39 posted on 07/01/2009 12:21:08 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Blackacre

Yep, I know I have to practice “restraint” when I see an “Obama” bumper sticker,

knowing that the people in that car are complicit with the destruction of the country my kids have to grow up in.


40 posted on 07/01/2009 12:22:06 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB
Yes. And, as Plato said, “Lies are not just evil in themselves, but inject the soul with evil.”

Those who have based their lives and filled their philosophies with lies must be so evil and bitter and full of malice for those who do not feel the same. It's why Cain killed Abel. Able probably loved and wished well for his brother, but Cain could not tolerate Abel even to live; for evil cannot tolerate good.

It's the same today. Despite their claims of being tolerant, libs cannot tolerate goodness at all. It's the opposite for conservatives. WE ARE the tolerant ones.

41 posted on 07/01/2009 12:22:08 PM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (To the government slugs who don't like tea parties: "How about some tar and feathers?")
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To: Boxen

[[I can really feel the love in this post. It feels like heartburn.]]

Really? Can you also ‘feel the love’ in the following verses?

“Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.’”
— Jesus Christ, Mark 7:6

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense, make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.”
— Jesus Christ, Matthew 23: 14-15

“But the fearful, (afraid of what ‘others’ might think about following and trusting in Jesus)

and unbelieving,

and the abominable, (this covers many sins including sexual immorality, homosexuality, etc.)

and murderers,

and whoremongers (’pornos’ ... from which we get the word ‘pornography’),

and sorcerers (’pharmakeus’ ... drugs),

and idolaters, (wanting or loving anything more than God-Jesus ... work, sports, music, etc.)

and all liars,

shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone:

which is the second death (Hell).”
(Revelation 21:8)

“Not everyone who says to Me (Jesus), ‘Lord, Lord,’ (calling themselves ‘Christian’)
shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven ...
Many (’most’ or ‘majority’) will say to Me in that Day (of Judgment),
‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied (taught) in your Name,
cast out demons in Your Name,
and done many wonders in Your Name?’
And then (at the judgment), I (Jesus) will declare to them
‘I never knew you
Depart from Me (departing from Heaven and into Hell)
you who practice lawlessness’”
(Matthew 7:21-23)

Better grab yourself a big bottle of tums if you think God turns a blind eye to blatant rejection of Him


42 posted on 07/01/2009 12:22:15 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tribune7
"If believers in Darwinism claim it is not a religion why do they have religious symbols?"

Not sure. But how does a silly little car decal make anything a religion? Does having a an ichthys on your automobile automatically make you a christian?

43 posted on 07/01/2009 12:22:41 PM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: starlifter
I never understood those who believe evolution is incompatible with Christianity.

Creation via blind chance is incompatible with Christianity.

44 posted on 07/01/2009 12:23:00 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Enoughofthissocialism

Almost missed your last sentence, was going to make the same comparison.

One thing you left out, like Cain did to Abel - the left, truth be told, wants to kill conservatives, and will do so if they can get away with it.


45 posted on 07/01/2009 12:23:44 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: CottShop

You must be a hit at parties. :-D


46 posted on 07/01/2009 12:26:07 PM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I am probably agnostic if I had to label myself, and I believe that evolution is largely correct as a theory to explain the diversity of life on earth.

That said, I think the Darwin fish is obnoxious and intentionally mocking. I agree with those who point out the inconsistencies of those who promote tolerance and support speech codes and such, but feel compelled to mock Christianity.

Historically, all leftist movements seek a group to villanize and portray as less worthy of rights and respect than other groups. The current leftist movement in the United States has chosen Christianity as their necessary "other."

Though relatively harmless in its own right, the Darwin fish is emblematic of both the left's inconsistency and inherent prejudices.

47 posted on 07/01/2009 12:26:48 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MrB
If evolution’s target isn’t Christianity, why pervert the symbol of Christianity “in protest”?

Excellent question.

48 posted on 07/01/2009 12:28:10 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: dead
evolution is largely correct as a theory to explain the diversity of life on earth

Would it surprise you to know that even a YEC believes this? Post Creation of the kinds from which the diversity came from, of course... :)

49 posted on 07/01/2009 12:28:39 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: combat_boots
I had a species of salamander that grew legs again and could reattach a leg. And, yes, I’ve taken collegiate biology classes.

I posted a photo of a fish.

The point I was making is that definitive missing links have not been proved

Then you must not have been paying much attention in your "collegiate biology classes," as that's categorically false.

50 posted on 07/01/2009 12:29:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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