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Nuns In The U.S. Are Facing Scrutiny By The Vatican [Long Overdue!]
NYTimes ^ | July 01st, 2009

Posted on 07/01/2009 8:49:55 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: tiki
I had the same thought, 'what a concept'. How crazy of the Vatican (and even some Bishops) to want to promote this?!

Some sisters surmise that the Vatican and even some American bishops are trying to shift them back into living in convents, wearing habits or at least identifiable religious garb, ordering their schedules around daily prayers and working primarily in Roman Catholic institutions, like schools and hospitals.

41 posted on 07/02/2009 6:50:35 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: don-o; Steelfish
And isn't truly a Modern Wonder of the World how those prose-stylists at the NYT pack four--- count 'em, four--- eek-words into the very first sentence:

"The Vatican is quietly conducting two sweeping investigations of American nuns, a development that has startled and dismayed nuns who fear they are the targets of a doctrinal inquisition."

Dismay!... Fear!... Target!... Inquisition!!

OOH! Me so Scared!

..and then they choose to highlight, in their second sentence, not the nun who's actually running the inquiry, but Sister Supercilious of the Holy Name of Berkeley:

"Sister Sandra M. Schneiders has urged fellow nuns not to participate in the study that is being conducted by the Vatican. "

I guess what I like about the Times is, they're so damned obvious.

42 posted on 07/02/2009 7:29:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("We'll be watching your career with great interest, Anakin." --- Darth Sidious)
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To: Steelfish; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
a development that has startled and dismayed nuns who fear they are the targets of a doctrinal inquisition.

The only ones who need to fear are those who violate their vows. These are the ones who bring scandal to Catholics through their radical political activities and new age practices. Good for the Vatican!

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43 posted on 07/02/2009 7:57:31 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Steelfish

Yes, long overdue!


44 posted on 07/02/2009 8:10:38 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Steelfish

I hope Joan Chittester is “offered” her choice of missions serving the poor in Mumbai, Darfur or Mexico City.


45 posted on 07/02/2009 8:12:48 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Steelfish
But for the last three decades, their numbers have been declining — to 60,000 today from 180,000 in 1965.

Coincident with many entire orders going berserk into radical feminism and liberation theology.

46 posted on 07/02/2009 8:14:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
This is long overdue. It was a problem with the Dominican Sisters that lead me and my family to our greatest doubts regarding our Catholic faith. Although there are many individual Dominican sisters who are saints in waiting, I have never encountered a bigger "us against them", "circle the wagons", "four legs good, two legs bad",arrogant "holier-than-thou" organization anywhere.

In the end we recognized that they, not we, were in many ways out of Communion with the Church. Many others, unfortunately, see them as Church authority and have separated themselves from the Catholic community.

47 posted on 07/02/2009 8:18:06 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Think free or die

I’m not religious, and I am honestly not trying to be critical, but when I read what you wrote....

How is that any different than “other” religions who demand total complete dedication to timed “daily prayers”?


48 posted on 07/02/2009 8:18:26 AM PDT by battletank
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To: Steelfish
Some sisters surmise that the Vatican and even some American bishops are trying to shift them back into living in convents, wearing habits or at least identifiable religious garb, ordering their schedules around daily prayers and working primarily in Roman Catholic institutions, like schools and hospitals. HOW DARE THOSE MEAN BISHOPS EXPECT NUNS TO DO THE WORK THEY VOWED TO DO!
49 posted on 07/02/2009 8:21:30 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

I just happened to recently be at a Catholic Church when they were having a rummage sale. There was a nun in charge who was dressed just as I was. Her name tag said “Sister Bernadette”. She was in tight control of the sale, everyone was obviously respecting her and looking for her guidance on a host of issues, and she was as nice as could be. I understand they make multi-hundreds of thousands of dollars at this sale that they use for charitable work and give to people in need.

I find that highly refreshing. And I didn’t give a care what she was wearing. She was wonderful!


50 posted on 07/02/2009 8:26:32 AM PDT by battletank
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51 posted on 07/02/2009 8:58:11 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: battletank
First, remember that nuns take a vow to focus their lives on Jesus Christ, along with any other specific vows related to their order. You twist the phrase to read, "demand total complete dedication to timed? 'daily prayers'" when the article says ordering their schedules around daily prayers. Makes sense to me that a religious, who has committed her life to Christ, wants to prioritize her schedule around prayer time with her Lord. This is beautiful, not onerous.
52 posted on 07/02/2009 9:02:32 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: battletank

Many women don’t wear any habit because they don’t want people to know they are sisters because they are embarassed by the doctrines of the Church and don’t believe in them.

Wearing a habit, on its own, is not the issue, generally. The issue is that virtually all heretic nuns refuse to wear habits.

As an analogy:

All muslims aren’t terrorists, but I nevertheless would be on guard near any muslim I see at an airport or on a plane. This is the rational reaction.

So too, while all habit-less sisters are not heretics, I nevertheless am wary of any habit-less sister I encounter. This is the rational reaction.


53 posted on 07/02/2009 9:06:22 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Servant of the Cross; battletank

As an example, the largest number of men and women professed religious follow the Rule of St. Benedict.

Hora et Labora
Pray and Work

That is the main motto, which describes how the daily routine is arranged so that evry single part of the day is dedicated to overtly and actively worshipping the Lord God Almighty, with other necessities of life such as work, hygeine, sleep, meals, study and recreation slotted into the non-praying parts of the day.


54 posted on 07/02/2009 9:10:44 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: battletank
I also find your anecdotal story 'refreshing' as I suspect most Catholics would. I believe that 'some sisters surmising' that this review will require 'wearing habits or at least identifiable religious garb' is merely an attempt to cast aspersions at this review as old-fashioned and foment unwarranted fears about what the review is (similar to fear-mongering false commentary on 'back alley abortions' if Roe v Wade was ever overturned). Mother Clare clearly states what the review is about:

Each congregation of nuns will be evaluated based on how well they are “living in fidelity” both to their congregation’s own internal norms and constitution, and to the church’s guidelines for religious life, Mother Clare said. For instance, if a congregation’s stated mission is to serve youth, are the nuns doing that? If they do not live in a convent, are they attending Mass and keeping the sacraments? Are their superiors exercising adequate supervision?

This is not about attire. Your Sister Bernadette need not worry about continuing to dress like you.

55 posted on 07/02/2009 9:22:45 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: battletank
This 'attire issue' is an old canard. Since Vatican II, only a very few congregations kept any 'habit' rules. Some do, some don't and it's up to the congregation (same for priestly orders).

By the way, how did that work for the 'refreshing' congregations that want nuns to be no different than a lay person?

... for the last three decades, their numbers have been declining — to 60,000 today from 180,000 in 1965.

The growing orders, priestly and religious, proudly wear their cassocks and habits. They know they have been called to a higher vocation by Christ and it's not to be like just one of the laity.

56 posted on 07/02/2009 9:35:12 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: AliVeritas

Excommunicating this nun would make her into a celebrity. The Church should ignore her.


57 posted on 07/02/2009 9:48:30 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: steve86

‘There is no area where Vatican II did not do catastrophic damage’.

There is no area where a liberal interpretation of Vatican II did not do catastrophic damage.

Fixed it...


58 posted on 07/02/2009 10:07:26 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (Sarah Palin, America's Governor...)
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To: battletank

probably any religion that has a cadre of full-time men or women who have decided to live by special vows — I’m thinking Buddhist bhikkhus, Orthodox nuns, Hindu saddhus, consecrated people of that sort —— expects dedication to special prayer times.

Especially if they choose to live in communities.

I don’t see anything wrong with that. Do you?


59 posted on 07/02/2009 10:20:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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To: LottieDah
The life of a nun is to live in humility and be a handmaiden of the Lord, not “I am woman hear me roar”.

In the Progressive age of Obamanation they deserve more! (Listening to Rush today) ;)
60 posted on 07/02/2009 10:23:31 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (There is no Far Right.. There is only Far Left.)
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