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Jim Jones to US commanders in Afghanistan: WTF?
Hot Air ^ | July 2, 2009 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/02/2009 10:34:09 AM PDT by penelopesire

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"Now suppose you’re the president, Jones told them, and the requests come into the White House for yet more force. How do you think Obama might look at this? Jones asked, casting his eyes around the colonels. How do you think he might feel? Jones let the question hang in the air-conditioned, fluorescent-lighted room. Nicholson and the colonels said nothing. Well, Jones went on, after all those additional troops, 17,000 plus 4,000 more, if there were new requests for force now, the president would quite likely have “a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment.” Everyone in the room caught the phonetic reference to WTF — which in the military and elsewhere means “What the [expletive]?” Nicholson and his colonels — all or nearly all veterans of Iraq — seemed to blanch at the unambiguous message that this might be all the troops they were going to get."

In other words, don’t expect any more help if you run into trouble. What a great message to send the Marines as they begin their biggest operation in Afghanistan

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Pray For Our Troops!!

1 posted on 07/02/2009 10:34:09 AM PDT by penelopesire
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To: STARWISE

Ping!

Pray for our troops! Sounds like they are going to need it now more than ever.


2 posted on 07/02/2009 10:35:08 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

We were told that the troops had been overextended and were going to be pulled out of Iraq to alleviate this. And yet they were merely redeployed.

The Obama staff is unAmerican lying scum.


3 posted on 07/02/2009 10:37:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: penelopesire; SumProVita; HardStarboard; BradyLS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dervish; Twotone; ...
The list, ping

let me know if you'd like to be on or off the list

4 posted on 07/02/2009 10:38:45 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: a fool in paradise

I fear that Obama will drop the ball in support for our troops, much like Clinton did in Somalia, except this time it could be much, much worse.


5 posted on 07/02/2009 10:40:00 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

We’ve gone from “Win One for the Gipper” to “Suck it up for the TOTUS”

“Imagine you were the President...”.

Sorry Sir, I can’t do that. I have a birth certificate, witnessed and signed by the doctor who delivered me.


6 posted on 07/02/2009 10:42:35 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: a fool in paradise

The truth? I can't handle the truth!
7 posted on 07/02/2009 10:43:01 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: penelopesire

FUBO


8 posted on 07/02/2009 10:43:42 AM PDT by peace with honor
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To: penelopesire; All

I know ... keep praying for our military.

These Rules of Engagement are insane.

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“Granting a very few atypical incidents, avoiding civilian casualties is an integral element of all American war fighting. No special rules of engagement need to be issued. Not recognizing this fact ignores and insults the basic character of the American fighting man and woman. It might be a good idea for President Obama and his civilian advisors to spend a few weeks with the Army and Marines to get some idea of what really motivates the U.S. military. Apparently General Jim Jones, USMC Ret., the national security advisor, has forgotten what he once knew.

Better yet, ask former Democratic Senator Bob Kerrey: He lost his right leg below the knee in the process of an action in Vietnam that won him the Congressional Medal of Honor. On a previous mission to destroy a VC headquarters at Thanh Phong, he led a SEAL team that inadvertently killed a substantial number of women and children. That’s war, Mr. President, and you better damn well get used to it!”

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/07/02/an-enlisted-mans-point-of-view


9 posted on 07/02/2009 10:45:08 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: silverleaf

Well put!


10 posted on 07/02/2009 10:45:08 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

Obama constantly lives in a WTF moment.


11 posted on 07/02/2009 10:45:51 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: penelopesire

Did I not say that this POS would end up betraying our troops in the field????? For expedience sake? Give ‘em up to cut a deal????


12 posted on 07/02/2009 10:47:41 AM PDT by DGHoodini (The New York Times, are lying 'Rats!)
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To: Don Corleone

And the US isturning into one big MCF....


13 posted on 07/02/2009 10:48:04 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks for the link. It sounds like a suicidal order for our troops if they are expected to live among the population yet not fire their weapons if civilians are around!!


14 posted on 07/02/2009 10:50:17 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

No better friend...

Posted By Blackfive

U.S. Army 1st Lt. Barry Klinger makes a friend in the village of Altimur in Logar province, Afghanistan, June 20, 2009.

U.S. soldiers, Afghan policemen and Czech soldiers visited the village to assess local needs and inform them of upcoming artillery training operations they were scheduled to conduct in the area. Klinger is assigned to Headquarters Troop, 3rd Squadron, 71st Cavalry Regiment. U.S. Army photo by Spc. Jaime’ DeLeon

15 posted on 07/02/2009 10:50:38 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: DGHoodini
“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster”

~ William T. Sherman ~


16 posted on 07/02/2009 10:53:20 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DGHoodini

I think most freepers are and remain fearful of this very thing. Just as we start to think we can’t get any more outaged at this administration..they pull something like this!


17 posted on 07/02/2009 10:54:22 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: dblshot

The truth? I can't handle the truth!

18 posted on 07/02/2009 10:54:40 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: penelopesire

Our fighting men and women deserve far better than the gutter scum who’s now their CiC.


19 posted on 07/02/2009 10:55:36 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: reagan_fanatic

This has literally brought me to tears. I am so fearful for our troops right now. At least with President Bush we knew he would do everything in his power to arm, train and support them and he damn sure would not give them orders that would tie their hands behind their backs!


20 posted on 07/02/2009 11:02:41 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: dblshot

Compare and Contrast with Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men.


21 posted on 07/02/2009 11:03:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: silverleaf
"Imagine you were the President...”.
Sorry Sir, I can’t do that. I have a birth certificate, witnessed and signed by the doctor who delivered me."

Well so does B. Hussein;
except his is signed by a witchdoctor...

22 posted on 07/02/2009 11:06:56 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: penelopesire
"We don't need more U.S. forces," Nicholson finally told Jones. "We need more Afghan forces."

Seems Nicholson was referring to more Afghan forces, not US forces. Seems pretty silly to get upset about the reaction that Jones thinks Obama would have about a hypothetical situation that hasn't even been discussed by the commanders on the ground yet.

I'll reserve judgment on this until Obama actually declines to send more troops that were actually requested.
23 posted on 07/02/2009 11:15:31 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: penelopesire

Gen Jim Jones carrying water for the anti-military left.


24 posted on 07/02/2009 11:18:43 AM PDT by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: theknuckler_33

So you think the ridiculous rules of engagement that King Obama has handed our troops are ok as well?

Sorry...but I’ve already seen enough to be very concerned and fearful for our troops under their new CIC.


25 posted on 07/02/2009 11:37:59 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: dervish

Yet another ‘Jim Jones’ drinking the commie kool aid.

Very sad.


26 posted on 07/02/2009 11:39:19 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Redbob
Well so does B. Hussein; except his is signed by a witchdoctor...

Quote of the day!

27 posted on 07/02/2009 11:43:46 AM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: penelopesire
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28 posted on 07/02/2009 11:43:57 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: penelopesire
So you think the ridiculous rules of engagement that King Obama has handed our troops are ok as well?

Well, I didn't say anything about rules of engagement at all, but since you asked... From the link STARWISE posted in #9:

"Once again, as in the Korean War and in Vietnam and Iraq, as well as other conflicts, U.S. forces have received rules of engagement aimed at securing maximum avoidance of political backlash in a war with an enemy to whom the use of the civilian population as protective cover is an accepted part of his fighting tactics."

Doesn't seem like these rules of engagement are any different than any other conflict of the last 60 years.

I'm not military, just comparing across various administrations and I don't see anything different related to rules of engagement. And, for the record, I'm glad Obama sent 21k more troops there. Flame on if you must.
29 posted on 07/02/2009 11:56:28 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: theknuckler_33

No need to flame someone that is clearly not informed at all. Get back to me when you get a clue.


30 posted on 07/02/2009 11:58:43 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire
Of course this is coming from the same Jim Jones that decided that the Marine Corps height and weight standards were too restrictive, so he moved the bar up. Fits right into the Obama admin, if you can't meet the metric move the goal posts. If I were these Colonels and Generals I would remind the esteemed Mr Jones where he came from.

By the way, the new Commandant of the Marine Corps is now currently policing up the remnants of the Jim Jones policies. Hopefully a sign of the things to come....

31 posted on 07/02/2009 12:07:32 PM PDT by lt.america (Looking for a bailout)
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To: a fool in paradise

This was SO predictable. Kennedy blew the bay of pigs. Johnson ramped up Vietnam and overrode the general officers on targets. carter projected such weakness that the iranians kidnapped our people and held them until Reagan came along. klintoon brought us attack after attack and ultimately 9/11. Now we have a vengeful rookie in charge of the military. The last real American democrat president was Truman and his last year was 1952. QUIT ELECTING DEMOCRATS. THEY ARE DANGEROUS TO OUR SURVIVAL.


32 posted on 07/02/2009 12:40:09 PM PDT by Texas resident ( Cut n Shoot Texas: Mayberry for rednecks)
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To: Texas resident

Obama’s response to the people of Iran is akin to Kennedy’s bailing on the Cuban people after the Bay of Pigs invasion.


33 posted on 07/02/2009 12:42:01 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: penelopesire

Is Jim Jones the Resurrection 30 years ago from Guyana???


34 posted on 07/02/2009 1:23:16 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco; All

He doesn’t sound too bright or he has let the thuggish tactics of this administration advise him on how to treat our military. Either way, it’s a very bad sign of things to come.

Here is another article on the matter:

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/07/01/the_white_house_and_woodward


35 posted on 07/02/2009 1:28:27 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

I recall when PINO went to Germany and by-passed our military personnel because he need to go to a gym for a photo-op!!!....................................

Wounded Warrior David Borden Jr. Meets His Weak & Uncaring Commander In Chief

Anti-PC League Featured Post Tuesday, 23 June 2009 06:47

I get many of these emails from readers and friends, and got this one below from my Floridian father Ray Jr, (I’m a third). He’s a former Notre Dame Grad, Fortune 500 executive who’s now a semi retired, Bonita Springs scratch golfing pro, selling real estate on the side down in Florida who’s now taking an unwanted break from the field thanks to Obama’s economy..

So anyways... after some quick verification, it’s an entirely true story that says all anyone needs to know about this President In Name Only, a self centered, narcissistic waif who cares more about approval ratings and media adulation more than anything

And this is Dave Borden Jr’s account of the meeting with the limp wristed President.., a proud and recovering US Marine who was wounded in Iraq on January 19, 2008. the account delivered to the world by his father Dave Sr.

This pic by the way is Obama skipping a trip to visit the troops on his European Vacation Tour last year exactly a year ago to go to the health club to burn off some nicotine and beers no doubt

David Jr. Meets His commander In Chief

For those who do not know Dave Borden, he is a former Black & Decker employee who lives in Hanover. His son Dave Jr was serving in Iraq and was badly injured from a bomb explosion. Dave Jr has had over 38 surgeries to date. The email below is from a recent visit from President Obama, the email speaks for its self.

Since Dave Jr. has been injured he has met and been overwhelmed by many, many political and military “celebs.The list includes Bob Gates, Sec. of Defense, who came into his room and told him 3 or 4 times that if Dave Jr. had any issues to call his cell phone number. It includes Gen. Petereus who sat and talked with Dave Jr. for almost 45 minutes.

The General recalled vividly all of the circumstances around the events that led to fighting that Dave was involved in. It includes Sen. McCain who arrived late on a Saturday afternoon during a thunder storm, unannounced, and talked to Dave Jr. about how similar their experiences with fate. It includes George Bush when Dave Jr. was invited to attend the very last Christmas party at the White House for the White House Staff.

President Bush and his wife entered the ballroom and immediately went to Dave Jr.. President Bush knew Dave Jr.’s name as well as when and how he was injured. Dave Jr. had a picture taken with Laura and the President that he has framed and ill cherish forever. The list goes on and on of people coming in to meet Dave Jr. and the other wounded warriors at Walter Reed and Bethesda.

Yesterday. Dave Jr. was ordered to be at the National Naval Hospital with another 12 soldiers and Marines to meet with Obama. Obama was supposed to arrive at 11:30 AM. He finally got there at 3:00 PM. He entered the room with the wounded warriors and quickly shook each of their hands. He never asked their names, where they were from, or how they were injured. Then he left.

Dave Jr. has met the people who really care about the military. All he remembers from Obama is a weak handshake. The others in the room, younger and less exposed to the people that Dave Jr. has met, were so disappointed. Word about Obama’s “insensitive” visit has spread to the MATC ( the rehab facility) at Walter Reed and throughout Bethesda. The military sees through his phoniness.

All I can say is that it is such a disappointment that this man is Commander-In-Chief of our Armed Forces. He is an embarrassment to our Nation.

Wasn’t that beautiful? Not

What a jag, but this doesn’t surprise me in the least and shouldn’t you either if you follow this blog, as we’ve been documenting the meteoric and manipulative rise of this made for TV fraud since August of 2006 where I had this prescient observance of Obama’s intentions then, and we aren’t stopping now.


36 posted on 07/02/2009 2:01:31 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

Thanks for posting that in the thread. I got it in an email not long ago. Pretty pathetic isn’t it?


37 posted on 07/02/2009 2:09:52 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: a fool in paradise
The Obama staff is unAmerican lying scum.

Are you just now realizing that?

38 posted on 07/02/2009 2:13:37 PM PDT by sport
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To: penelopesire
"Now suppose you’re the president," -- That itself, is a interesting turn of phrase. It can be read to say there is no legit president, but we have to play along right now.
39 posted on 07/02/2009 2:32:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Still being a Gen Jim Jones ‘fan’, My question to HIM is WTF?
I thought someone of his character and caliber would serve us well DESPITE who the CIC is and my ‘heart of hearts’ is saying MAYBE, just MAYBE he is ‘warning’ the Commanders if you need 500,000 troops, tell us, don’t ask for 200,000 and come back in two weeks for 300,000 more..


40 posted on 07/02/2009 2:46:48 PM PDT by xrmusn ("If voting 'meant' anything, they would find a way to not let us do it")
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To: bvw

Obama and his media lap dogs are already in spin mode on this ‘leak’.


41 posted on 07/02/2009 2:59:59 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: xrmusn

Under a liar-in-chief (also childish-idiot-in-chief, and psychotically-detached-head-case-in-chief) a General must of necessity give a poorer grade of commands and guidance. Second guessing what a General means costs lives. But there is little to be done straight-forwardly and unambiguously until the time such a C-I-C is replaced.

Under an Obama or a Clinton — under all mendacious and/or emotionally unstable leaders every command is weakened and confusions develop. Why? Because the authority and integrity of all command is rooted in the highest commander. There is no getting around it.

The German General staff under Hitler’s emotional instability scrambled to work around him, as recently made public actually made secret overtures for a ceasefire to the Allies, and in one plot attempted to assassinate him. It wasn’t because they loved peace or hated the Holocaust — it was because every responsible rational leader comes to despise and hate being subordinate to the whims and manias of the morally insane or emotionally unstable.

In our more tolerant of variance and individually independent American military history we may deal with the issue differently, but the feelings are the same towards such a commander. But still, the MINIMUM reaction that will happen is what I said — a weakening of the force of command (for it relies on trust and integrity) and an increase in these kind of cloudy statements, which are not straightforward.

G-d help our troops.


42 posted on 07/02/2009 3:16:58 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
. It can be read to say there is no legit president, but we have to play along right now.

My advice to you is don't play with sharp things, might hurt yourself.

43 posted on 07/02/2009 4:42:46 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

Thank you.


44 posted on 07/02/2009 5:27:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: STARWISE

Great photo! Thank you.


45 posted on 07/02/2009 8:04:45 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

;)


46 posted on 07/02/2009 8:46:46 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: MilspecRob

I thanked you, know I would like to reflect upon and consider your sage advice. Yet I am stymied. What exactly are you saying? Is that fogspeak advice you gave? That would explain it. Just like any General would have to use under a mendacious or treasonous CIC.


47 posted on 07/03/2009 8:19:59 AM PDT by bvw
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To: penelopesire

Wasn’t there severe criticism of Donald Rumsfeld because he tried to do things “on the cheap” and “without overwhelming force” ala the Powell Doctrine?

Or am I missing something here?


48 posted on 07/03/2009 8:34:32 AM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE crimes.)
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To: theknuckler_33
I'll reserve judgment on this until Obama actually declines to send more troops that were actually requested.

From linked article: Woodward goes on to repeat the strategic mantra, ”security, economic development and reconstruction.” The mission statement: ”Killing the enemy is secondary.” The generals may think they need up to 32,000 more troops in addition to the 68,000 already authorized, but … WTF? Jones tells jarhead commanders in Afghanistan: “The piece of the strategy that has to work in the next year is economic development.”

Do you really think President pantywaist is going to authorize 32,000 more troops?

As far as the Taliban is concerned I'm sure they are very happy to see the ”Killing the enemy is secondary.” is a ROE. They must be s***faced happy as a virgin goat to know they are not a target

49 posted on 07/03/2009 8:40:03 AM PDT by Popman (Joe Biden REALLY can't be Vice President, can he ?)
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To: paulycy

What does Rumsfield trying to reduce costs have to do with Obama signaling, through this lackey, that he doesn’t want the advice of the military on the ground?

President Bush wanted the advice of the military and took it on most occasions. This new Obama clown is telling the military not to offer advice, even in the heat of battle, because the new CIC doesn’t want to hear it. Big difference.

Also of big note is the fact that Obama has changed the rules of engagement to favor our enemies. If you can’t see that that is a dramatic turn of events and war planning you are indeed uninformed.


50 posted on 07/03/2009 9:07:23 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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