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Los Angeles will end use of coal-fired power (by 2020 - prices expected to rise)
Reuters ^ | 7/02/09 | Bernie Woodall

Posted on 07/04/2009 2:59:01 AM PDT by Libloather

Los Angeles will end use of coal-fired power
Thu Jul 2, 2009 4:33pm EDT
By Bernie Woodall

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Los Angeles will eliminate the use of electricity made from coal by 2020, replacing it with power from cleaner renewable energy sources, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said.

Consumers of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, the largest city-owned utility in the United States with 1.45 million electricity customers, will see higher power bills in the fight against climate change, he added in his inaugural speech for his second four-year term as mayor on Wednesday.

California does not have any coal-fired power plants, a leading contributor to greenhouse gas pollution, but the LADWP now gets 40 percent of its electricity from coal plants outside the state.

"LADWP will deliver 40 percent renewable power, with the remainder coming from natural gas, nuclear, and large hydroelectric," said Villaraigosa.

Coal and natural gas-fired power now account for 76 percent of the electricity delivered by the LADWP. By 2020, the LADWP expects to cut its carbon emissions by up to 60 percent from 1990 levels, according to the mayor's office.

Villaraigosa said the LADWP will meet its goal of getting 20 percent of its power from renewables by 2010.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: coal; energy; globalwarming; ladwp; losangeles; power; villaraigosa
Why not just cut off the power during daylight hours? An instant 50% savings!
1 posted on 07/04/2009 2:59:02 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Democrats: Progress toward the Tenth Century.


2 posted on 07/04/2009 3:05:40 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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To: Libloather

Start back yard fires using old auto tires.
Wait til the wind is heading in a neighbors direction you don’t care for.


3 posted on 07/04/2009 3:05:51 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Libloather

Texas will sell them some of our natural gas...at suitably inflated prices...since the dummies in CA refuse to use their own natural resources. Guess they don’t need the money.


4 posted on 07/04/2009 3:06:07 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
Sure. Power is fungible. It doesn't matter from which source it came. Los Angeles is still looking at natural gas and hydro for 60 percent of its needs.
5 posted on 07/04/2009 3:09:48 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Libloather
Villaraigosa could get his “renewable energy” and solve some of L.A.’s 11 percent unemployment. They city could hire people to peddle stationary bicycles with little generators to power City Hall, the jail, the zoo, etc.
6 posted on 07/04/2009 3:10:48 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: GAB-1955
Power is fungible. It doesn't matter from which source it came.

Actually, unless the Hydro or "renewable" sources have dedicated lines directly to the utility's substations, they'll be pulling the excess off the grid without being able to trace the sources.

Sounds like a "plausible deniablility" masquerade to me and a scam on their consumers for a "feel good" moment.

7 posted on 07/04/2009 3:30:20 AM PDT by woofer ('Senator Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth' - Steyn)
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To: GAB-1955
Exactly - there will always be a need for ‘Base Power’ and to get it you will either have to burn something or be lucky enough to have a large amount of hydro power. Isn't it amazing though that the same people who 20 years ago were complaining so bitterly about Nuclear power now seem to be very silent about it's continuing use because it is a ‘Base Power’ and is not a carbon emitter

Mel

8 posted on 07/04/2009 3:33:39 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Libloather
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa California Dumb.
9 posted on 07/04/2009 3:37:31 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: Libloather

electricity customers, will see higher power bills in the fight against climate change, he added in his inaugural speech for his second four-year term as mayor on Wednesday

Obama and these idiots are going to suceed where the Islamofacist have failed. They are going to drive America back to the 7th century and without blowing up one single building.... Thanks assclowns.....


10 posted on 07/04/2009 3:45:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Going broke, what do we do???

Shut down a refinery, and close a coal powered power plant.

Makes sense to California I suppose.

What the hell , it’s basically what Obama wants to do in the rest of the country.


11 posted on 07/04/2009 4:02:54 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Libloather
Los Angeles will eliminate the use of electricity made from coal by 2020...Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa

...added in his inaugural speech for his second four-year term as mayor on Wednesday.

Funny how all these politicians mandates these changes to finally come to fruition after they are out of office, letting those who follow them pick up all the pieces and deal with all the problems they themselves have created.

The same thing is going to happen with obamma and his minions, the democrats. Screw the country now with all of this added debt, with the bills coming due years down the road.

And then it will be the Republicans that will be called upon to fix it, again. The democrats messed everything up with their asinine ideas, and the Republicans have to fix everything.

12 posted on 07/04/2009 4:22:30 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Venturer
Last one leaving California... please turn off the lights.

Oh wait... there won't be any power left to turn off the lights.

13 posted on 07/04/2009 4:24:17 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Libloather
Los Angeles will eliminate the use of electricity made from coal by 2020, replacing it with power from cleaner renewable energy sources...

Well, at least now when the last person leaves LA they won't have to remember to turn out the lights.....

14 posted on 07/04/2009 4:36:52 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Fight Fascism - Buy a Ford!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Villaraigosa could get his “renewable energy” and solve some of L.A.’s 11 percent unemployment. They city could hire people to peddle stationary bicycles with little generators to power City Hall, the jail, the zoo, etc.

Don't give him ideas.

15 posted on 07/04/2009 5:08:46 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Libloather

Maybe the Constitution is a suicide pact after all.

Since electric power flows over a grid extending over the entire U.S. west of the Rockies, it is impossible to embargo or sort kilowatts by method of generation. Do they propose to disconnect from the grid or talk everyone else on the grid not to use coal?


16 posted on 07/04/2009 5:12:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: Libloather
ECONOMIC GENIUS ALERT!!!

"We applaud Mayor Villaraigosa's bold decision to move Los Angeles beyond coal," said Bruce Nilles, director of the Sierra Club's efforts to end coal-fired power plants. "The decision to replace coal with cleaner energy alternatives is key to boosting job creation and economic growth."

HEADLINE: Substantially increasing the cost of living and doing business in LA will boost job creation and economic growth!!!!

hh
17 posted on 07/04/2009 5:17:07 AM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

We an end this now. Just start filing multi-billion dollar lawsuits against the enviro-weenies in friendly courts. Make them spend money to defens themselves.

That’s how they got us to this point. We need to reverset he trend.


18 posted on 07/04/2009 5:20:00 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Climate change alarmists are Warm-Mongers. Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
...or talk everyone else on the grid not to use coal?

Talk is cheap. They are going to convince Utah Gov. Huntsman to switch from coal to natural gas. Gets complicated because Huntsman is going to China and his successor is not convinced that global warming is the right paradigm.
19 posted on 07/04/2009 5:28:39 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: carumba

Ok, let’s just criminalize coal and be done with it.

The Nazis had “race crime”, we’ll have “carbon crime”.

Makes just as much sense.


20 posted on 07/04/2009 5:34:42 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: Libloather

“But “costs to society” such as higher medical bills for lung-related diseases, including asthma, will drop.”

Got news for you. We, in Texas, will be happy to take that capacity that you guys are freeing up...so we’ll run the plant flat-out and spew the same junk into your neighborhood as before.

By the way, don’t count your chickens before they hatch...Cap and Trade is not law yet.


21 posted on 07/04/2009 5:49:42 AM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

At the same time, the push for electric cars is highest in Kalifornia. This could prove to be fun.


22 posted on 07/04/2009 6:04:49 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Libloather
All this as China opens a new coal fired electric generating plant every WEEK.
23 posted on 07/04/2009 7:33:36 AM PDT by blam
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To: Libloather

Folks not leaving the state fast enough, eh?


24 posted on 07/04/2009 7:34:18 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Libloather

I guess the crunch will come when people realize that the Left in power will really do what it says and make power expensive in the name of environmentalism.

Ready or not, here we go...Wheeeeeeeee!


25 posted on 07/04/2009 1:11:32 PM PDT by wildbill ( The reason you're so jealous is that the voices talk only to me.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Check your facts again- Texas has installed a parallel grid to handle the power from the new wind farms in the western part of the state. That power isn’t going anywhere else.

So yes, it is possible to embargo power from supposedly green sources.


26 posted on 07/04/2009 9:47:45 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Libloather

I may be a cynic, but I’ll bet Villaraigosa has a vastly larger ‘carbon footprint’ than I do...


27 posted on 07/04/2009 9:53:17 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
...but I’ll bet Villaraigosa has a vastly larger ‘carbon footprint’ than I do...

And I'm sure you can prove that - no?

28 posted on 07/04/2009 10:01:50 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler)
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To: MrEdd

I can’t see how that power can get to homes or industries on the existing grid without getting on the grid. Homes don’t have one set of green colored sockets and another of set of brown ones.

I don’t care what kind of bookkeeping shenanigans they are using, it’s just make believe. Electric power is completely fungible, you cannot distinguish a “green” kilowatt from a “brown” one.


29 posted on 07/05/2009 4:02:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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