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The Laptop, Circa 1968
Technologizer ^ | 7/04/2009 | Harry McCracken

Posted on 07/04/2009 5:35:25 PM PDT by sionnsar

In 2009, portability is the default state of affairs with computers, since laptops outsell desktop PCs. But in the 1960s, the typical computer was a room-filling mainframe; minicomputers, which were merely the size of a refrigerator, were the small computers of the day.

Which didn’t mean that folks weren’t craving the concept of mobile computing even back then. I was just rummaging through Google’s invaluable archive of several decades of Computerworld, and came across a short item from March 1968 on carrying cases for the typewriter-like Teletype terminals that were then used to interface with mainframes and minis. Anderson Jacobson sold the cases both separately and as a package with a Teletype pre-installed. (Sadly, the Computerworld story doesn’t say how much you had to pay for one of these portable Teletype systems. Maybe if you had to ask, you couldn’t afford one.)

One model of Teletype weighed a trim 75 pounds in its case; another, was an even more featherweight 65 pounds. The cases offered optional wheels in case you wanted to roll your Teletype along. The gent in the photo below didn’t need the wheels–I wonder if he tried to store his Teletype below the seat in front of him when he traveled by airplane?

Portable Teletype

Of course, putting a Teletype in a case didn’t really give you access to a mainframe’s mighty computing power anywhere; the Teletype had to be plugged in and connected via a dial-up modem (with an acoustic coupler that attached to your telephone’s handset). What it did was help you move a big, bulky piece of equipment from place to place with a little less difficulty. But the yen to go mobile was there. Wonder how the guy in the photo would have reacted if you’d shown him even the most mundane notebook from 2009?


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1 posted on 07/04/2009 5:35:28 PM PDT by sionnsar
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To: NCjim; The Ghost of Rudy McRomney; saundby; Ernest_at_the_Beach; gdc314; GreenLanternCorps; ...
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Geezer Geek ping.

This is a very low-volume ping list (typically days to weeks between pings).
FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this list.

2 posted on 07/04/2009 5:36:16 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by illegitimate government)
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To: sionnsar
Wonder how the guy in the photo would have reacted if you’d shown him even the most mundane notebook from 2009?

Well, let's ask him. He's probably still alive. :D

3 posted on 07/04/2009 5:37:50 PM PDT by library user
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To: sionnsar
15 short years later...


4 posted on 07/04/2009 5:39:57 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: sionnsar

My Dad worked for GEIS and he often brought one of these home to fool around with. The first ones you actually typed up your batch file on ticker tape and then dailed into the compiler and uploaded the batch file. This was pretty much the same as any data center except that instead of punch cards you had a ticker tape.


5 posted on 07/04/2009 5:41:21 PM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: sionnsar

The laptop (mine), circa 1986.

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6 posted on 07/04/2009 5:41:43 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: library user

Probably. I still know one AndJac employee from that time.


7 posted on 07/04/2009 5:41:58 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by illegitimate government)
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To: sionnsar

First CALCULATOR I ever used was in 1967, in the physics department of the college I attended; size of a big typewriter — it took a whole minute for it to give the answer to a square root. It’s hard to imagine those times, even though I lived them.


8 posted on 07/04/2009 5:42:39 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: sionnsar

I used a 150 BAUD acoustic coupler (with the suction cups and the little box to keep external noise from interrupting) to a Hazeltine terminal about the size of today’s kitchen microwave — and was glad to have it! It beat the heck out of driving into the office at midnight!

I guess that qualifies me for your Geezer Geek list...?


9 posted on 07/04/2009 5:42:48 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: sionnsar

This reminds me of the ancient modem they tried out a few weeks back, it had a wooden case! It was 300 baud or something


10 posted on 07/04/2009 5:44:01 PM PDT by GeronL (freeping on a PS3)
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To: Nervous Tick

We still have an Osborne.


11 posted on 07/04/2009 5:44:56 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: martin_fierro

You are killing me here — I remember all that stuff.


12 posted on 07/04/2009 5:45:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GeronL

>>This reminds me of the ancient modem they tried out a few weeks back, it had a wooden case! It was 300 baud or something<<

And IIRC, it worked! The RS-232 standard still stands.


13 posted on 07/04/2009 5:45:50 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Nervous Tick

Back when I carried a briefcase it contained snacks, a couple of pens, and a very realistic rubber giant flying bug.


14 posted on 07/04/2009 5:46:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sionnsar

I read recently that the typical cellphone of today has about the same amount of computing power as the Apollo 11 lunar module had.Amazing!


15 posted on 07/04/2009 5:47:00 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: martin_fierro

I’m too young to remember these things. Sometimes I wish I was old. This is one of those times.


16 posted on 07/04/2009 5:47:35 PM PDT by library user
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To: freedumb2003

yes it did work, amazing


17 posted on 07/04/2009 5:48:07 PM PDT by GeronL (freeping on a PS3)
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To: sionnsar

My first experience with a minicomputer was with a DEC PDP 11/45 that you booted via paper tape.

God forbid anything happened to that tape :) We stored two fresh duplicates in a bank vault.


18 posted on 07/04/2009 5:51:36 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 ~ Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: Moonman62

>> Back when I carried a briefcase it contained snacks, a couple of pens, and a very realistic rubber giant flying bug.

Did you ever see “Falling Down”, with Mike Douglas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Down

IIRC, the contents of HIS briefcase came into play in the movie...


19 posted on 07/04/2009 5:51:38 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: sionnsar

The first “desktop computer” I used was a Wang in the mid to late 1970’s. It had about an 8” green screen with tiny dots that made up the letters and numbers showing on it. They were easiest to see in dim light, so we had to remove half the lights in the room that it was kept in. It did not have a hard drive or floppy discs. It has an ordinary cassette tape for storing programs. It had 8K of memory (which was a costly upgrade from the 4K standard). With a pinwheel printer, it cost nearly $20,000. Of course, we had to write our own programs in Fortran.


20 posted on 07/04/2009 5:52:35 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Jedidah

Cool! Does it still work? What are you going to do with it?

I have an old Heathkit H-89 from that era. CP/M, and 2 “hard sectored” floppies, each holding a whopping 90Kbytes. Last time I pulled it down and fired it up it seemed not to work.


21 posted on 07/04/2009 5:53:39 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Nervous Tick; NormsRevenge; SmithL; nickcarraway

OMG!!!! Hayward was still in the (415) area code!!!!


22 posted on 07/04/2009 5:55:34 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: GeronL

“This reminds me of the ancient modem they tried out a few weeks back, it had a wooden case! It was 300 baud or something”

I just threw away a bunch of those a few months ago. Kept the power supplies though.


23 posted on 07/04/2009 5:56:59 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: jim_trent

“It had about an 8” green screen with tiny dots that made up the letters and numbers showing on it. They were easiest to see in dim light, so we had to remove half the lights in the room that it was kept in. “

I had one of those. I found out that you could reverse the pixels and get black letters on a bright green screen and it was easier to read. People would wonder what command I used to do that, but I never told them.


24 posted on 07/04/2009 6:00:04 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Nervous Tick
A serial and a parallel port? You try to find those on your new fangled laptops.

$1795 in 1981 = $4199 in 2008.

25 posted on 07/04/2009 6:04:04 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Chrysler and GM are what Marx meant by the means of production.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
From the Wikipedia article, Apollo Guidance Computer :

The computer's RAM was magnetic core memory (2 kibiwords, where a kibiword is 1,024 words) and ROM was implemented as core rope memory (36 kibiwords). Both had cycle times of 11.72 micro-seconds. The memory word length was 16 bits: 15 bits of data and 1 odd-parity bit. The CPU-internal 16-bit word format was 14 bits of data, 1 overflow bit, and 1 sign bit (ones' complement representation).

My cell phone has about 20 Megabytes of user memory available, which is several thousand times the storage capacity of the AGC's RAM.

26 posted on 07/04/2009 6:04:46 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: freedumb2003

I don’t know, in the geek world it almost makes you a god.


27 posted on 07/04/2009 6:07:13 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: Gay State Conservative

a typical cell phone of today (2009) has at least 10000 (ten thousand) times the computing power of the Lunar Excursion Module Guidance and Navigation System Computer.


28 posted on 07/04/2009 6:07:43 PM PDT by no-s
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To: sionnsar
Everything is amazing, nobody is happy
29 posted on 07/04/2009 6:08:21 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: KarlInOhio

The price really wasn’t all that bad. As I recall my H-89 in 1983 was $1999 for similar capability (but definitely NOT portable).

Interesting wiki about the rise and fall of Osborne Computer Corp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Computer_Corporation


30 posted on 07/04/2009 6:09:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

THANK YOU!!!

I have been looking for that clip; it cracked me up when I saw it the first time but I couldn’t recall the guy’s name (or even which plug-interchangable talk show he was on).


31 posted on 07/04/2009 6:11:12 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Actually, the average cellphone has a 32bit ARM chip running at 200mhz...good cells have much better than that.

That is easily more powerful than not only the Apollo on board system but more powerful than the systems on the ground as well....and by a large margin.


32 posted on 07/04/2009 6:11:51 PM PDT by Bobalu (If life was fair it would be the horse's turn to ride.)
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To: Bobalu

That’s why I’m getting an Iphone - not for the phone part (keeping Verizon for that) but for the apps - a handheld computer has been a dream since the Jetsons days (also the personal flying car but that can wait).


33 posted on 07/04/2009 6:34:00 PM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: upchuck

We had a paper tape reader on a gubermint aircraft I used to fly on. The reader would spit the tape out into a big rats nest in the middle of the aisleway. You had to hunt around in various cabinets for the rewinder (hoping the battery was still good), while trying not to step on the paper tape.


34 posted on 07/04/2009 6:46:50 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: sionnsar


35 posted on 07/04/2009 6:55:55 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Gay State Conservative
OK who's punched in verbs and nouns in octal...?
36 posted on 07/04/2009 7:17:16 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: dr_lew

leading bit lsd or msd?


37 posted on 07/04/2009 7:20:01 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: sionnsar

Ugh.

Ouch.

But is it PC comptible? Can you play Flight Simulator?


38 posted on 07/04/2009 7:24:13 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sionnsar
I went into Computerland in November, 1982 specifically to purchase an Apple computer. It was $2400, had no software or disk drive and the screen was only 40 characters.

I asked what else was available. I was told the IBM PC was just out at a mere $6000. I declined.

Then, he said, we have something they're calling the Volkswagen of computers, the Osborne I. It had a software bundle including word processing (WordStar), spreadsheet (SuperCalc) and, this month only, a certificate for a free copy of dBASEII. In addition it had two disk drives, a display that would scroll to 80 characters and was portable -- the first of its kind! And, best of all, just $1795 drive out.

To this very day I thank the late Adam Osborne that I was able to get started computing with that machine. In time I bought a second one to use at the office, then I bought out a CPA firm, three more machines. Today I still have two of them and my son has another.

I think I'll try to fire one of them up one day before long. With a Cape Cod or two in my glass, it ought to be a sweet journey down memory lane.

Think any of 'em still work?

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39 posted on 07/04/2009 7:30:41 PM PDT by JCG
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To: tophat9000

If you read the description of the instruction set, the leftmost bit was the sign bit, and the next leftmost bit was the msd. It’s all pretty much a moot point, I think, because the IS doesn’t include any bitwise instructions.


40 posted on 07/04/2009 7:31:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: sionnsar
Back in the '60s, I learned BASIC on a teletype connected to Dartmouth's Time Sharing system, and I also programmed IBM 1401 computers (Autocoder, punch cards, big reels of magnetic tape).


41 posted on 07/04/2009 7:42:24 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: sionnsar

Bit significance depends on if you system used Little or Big Endian alignment. Started with and old Honeywell 2020 in college, all programming done on Hollerith 80 column cards. Hated it when you dropped your program of 1-2 thousand cards and they weren’t numbered like you could do with the later IBM punch card machines, of which at that time were in short supply. First remote terminal was an old Texas Instruments hardcopy thermal printer. I think it was a model 300, don’t remember anymore, had a 300 baud acousta coupler that was about circa 1982-3 time frame I would log into customers field test systems for DEC’s testing of 11780’s in a cluster environment. Pretty heady days in the computer industry at that point.
Now days most of our code is written in foreign countries and who knows what type of phone home code they are slipping in and even our DOD uses that crap. I’m coming to the close of my career in the industry. But those 70’s and 80’s were great days in the business.
Seeing those old machines brought back a lot of memories.


42 posted on 07/04/2009 7:58:55 PM PDT by ptshredder (Alignment base on OS.)
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To: martin_fierro
I still have the Olympia daisy wheel typewriter that I had interfaced with my Osborne, (Serial # 5,XXX) that I sent to the dump, instead of the Smithsoniam a couple of years ago... CPM sure got shoved aside by DOS!!!

Those Kaypros had way too big of a screen!!! However, I interfaced my Osborne with a 12 inch amber monitor, just to keep ahead of them Kaypro'ers... What fun!!!

Ronnie was still President of a respectable USA, then, too... (sob)

43 posted on 07/04/2009 8:06:48 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism stinks like BO!!!)
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To: JCG
Think any of 'em still work?

Yes. Did they use punched tape, cassette or floppy? If something is going to stop working it is probably the item with moving parts. I'm not sure how good the magnetic media was or is. I doubt they ever imagined that someone would still be trying to boot-up 30 years in the future. Do you think you'll remember how to make them work? I think my brother-in-law owned one, I remember drooling over it.

44 posted on 07/04/2009 8:07:29 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Moonman62
Back when I carried a briefcase it contained snacks, a couple of pens, and a very realistic rubber giant flying bug.

OK. OK. I'll bite.


































what kinda snacks?
45 posted on 07/04/2009 8:23:17 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro
256k computer. LOL. I was in the excess inventory business in the 90’s and in one of my purchases I picked up (7) 1Gig Hard drives. They were huge

At the time I thought “Who the hell is going to need these things?” 1Gig? Oh well, I got em free. I called some friends who pointed me in the right direction and sold them for $900 a piece. I thought “Those things are stupid”.

And today I can buy an 16gig flash drive,that is portable, or 80 bucks!

46 posted on 07/04/2009 9:03:45 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome
And today I can buy an 16gig flash drive,that is portable, or 80 bucks!

You can get 32 GB for $60!

47 posted on 07/04/2009 9:12:28 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

sorry need to ammend. That is $80 for the 16gig mini flash for my phone.

You are correct


48 posted on 07/04/2009 9:16:50 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: freedumb2003

Do rocks live as long you have?


49 posted on 07/04/2009 9:17:34 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: freedumb2003

I started working at GTE Data Services in 1977 as a computer operator. We had Honeywell DPS 66/60 mainframes that filled an entire room. The ‘hard drives’ were as big as washing machines and had what looked like large LPs stacked on top of each other. Data could also be stored on tapes, paper tapes or card decks.

This was considered the “time-sharing” part of the business. GTE Telephone Operations employees could log into the mainframe via a ‘dumb’ terminal (3270) and a dial-up modem at 300 baud. When they went to 1200 baud everyone thought that it was the best. Thirty-second response time was considered good. This was WAY before anyone ever heard of a PC. Now there is more computing power in a credit card sized calculator than one mainframe tower.


50 posted on 07/04/2009 9:22:39 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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