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Posted on 07/05/2009 4:36:29 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
The Ohio Senate resolution was sponsored by Chris Widener, R-Springfield, who had 19 co-sponsors. The resolution states that Ohio receives more than 85 percent of its electricity from coal.
Cap and trade will result in a massive windfall of billions of dollars for the federal government through the sale of emission credits. Critics say the program won’t result in an overall global decrease in emissions because many U.S. industries will relocate to countries with less stringent standards, taking away American jobs in the process.
Based upon these concerns, the Ohio Senate is urging Congress to refuse to enact cap-and-trade legislation. The resolution passed Tuesday, 21-11. Capri Cafaro, D-Hubbard, voted against it.
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Ohio standing up.
Ohio bump
Every state needs to take up this fight. Need to send a message back to DC
I agree. What if all states did this? Would the dems have a hissy fit or get the message?
DC will do the same thing they did when they voted for this c#@ppy bill, ignore the general public.
DC works for their own power..not for the people that elected them. Why do we keep electing these fools?
Meanwhile Oklahoma voters will have their say on instituting Voter ID.
I guess 140 years later, the Northern States are starting to realize what the South’s “Lost Cause” really was about - states rights. Too late, the Northern hero “Lincoln the Great” killed that. Ohio don’t waste your time.
That was tried once and the Union was "preserved".
I watched 1776 again last night. The founding fathers talked about states sovereignty and that the federal gov’t would only be there as protection and for small matters. FDR certainly had an entirely different mindset. He was one of a few that have led us down the path we’re on today. Polar opposite of what they wanted back then.
Ohio legislators listening to their constituents and acting in the best interest of the State and the Nation. Very surprising. Welcome, but surprising.
It’s time to take back the country.
Another state saying FU to Obama.
i suppose,when push comes to shove,one can look at reasons(and this administration gives an inexhaustible supply of them) for a state to secede,ultimately,should it come to pass,it will be amount money.
The ruinous path that California has chosen seems to be,rather than a lesson,a model the goverment wishes us to follow. This is how we define insanity.
-- Jefferson Davis, Pres. CSA 1861-1865
No the major issue is still slavery. It is now the federal governement wishes to enslave all of us!
Does anyone know the resolution #? I want to post it on Smart Girl Politics and Tea Party Nation.
-- A. Lincoln Pres. USA 1860-1865
Licoln spoke those words. I do no think they apply to how the south felt. I am a from the north, and what is going on is trying to enslave a free people.
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/ResolutionText128/128_SCR_15_AS_N.html
For your interest.
Would this fall under the 10th?
Yank, tell me, how does it feel to have a Federal Monster breathing down your neck. LOL! I love how arrogant Northerners can project onto the South how they "felt". Boy am I enjoying watching Yankees squirm!!!
I am stunned.
Does Gov.Strickland (D) need to sign this or has he already gotten on board?
Who delivers this message to Sherrod Brown, who has amendments in the bill and will vote for it? How about Voinovich too?
What if Kongress “Gave a Law” and nobody paid any attention to it???
Yeah, I know. I posted that one too. :-)
But hey! I’m glad people are paying attention and linking stories together about how the states are fighting back. By all means, keep it up. We’re doing the job that the mainstream media just don’t want to do.
Right now, in this present time in our Nation's history, we need to be standing up together, not trying to tear each apart as we face an out of control super majority government.
If you're not on board with those efforts, why are you on FR?
Too little too late?
First, they have to persuade their own Marcy Kaptor to stop selling them out for billions of dollars of pork, as she did in her House vote for the cap-and-tax bill. Why do they vote for Democrats who stab the citizens of Ohio in the back?
That would be an interesting thing indeed.
I have resided here for the last ten yrs.
Yeah, I know. Marcy Kaptor and her slush fund are a disgrace
A FREE REPUBLIC requires/implies those states legislatures are willing to leave said republic. I see no teeth in these wimpy attempts at states rights, these bills are a joke. The irony of when it comes from a Northern state is just to much to take....LOL
If you think feel good measures from a few state legislatures and tea perties are going to get the job done, you are the troll.
Had to move work related!
And likely to get FU back, but in more than words.
States will have to do more than protest verbally. They will have to outright refuse to allow enforcement of illegal federal laws. Will any have the will to do so?
When you get right down to it, if a state refuses to acknowledge a federal law within its territory, in most cases there really isn't much the feds can do short of sending in the military and occupying the state. A very tall order.
This is just a resolution folks, not a bill.
Then these coal states, and all the others, need to stand on states sovereignty and the 10th amendment. If the states refuse to obey the edicts of the feds the feds will play he** doing anything about it.
Btw-the Ohio seal pic, of the sun setting in the hills with the field in the foreground was drawn from the front porch of my great, great uncle's farmstead.
What exactly dies this mean? Des it mean even if it passes we will not participate in it?
Please ~ping~ me to articles relating to the 10th Amendment/States Rights so I can engage the pinger.
I've stopped scouring threads and unilaterally adding names to the ping list, so if you want on or off the list just say so.
Additional Resources:
Tenth Amendment Chronicles Thread
Tenth Amendment Center
The Right Side of Life/State Initiatives
Sovereign States
Find Law(Brief narrative on 10th Amendment)
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Lincoln made sure that the fed government stayed all powerful and that the state were subservient. The 17th Amendment finished what Lincoln started.
Fantastic. Okay, Texas get er done.
>>Every state needs to take up this fight. Need to send a message back to DC
That was tried once and the Union was “preserved”.<<
“If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”. Learn from past mistakes. If it happens again, I guarantee the results will be different.
BTW, can anyone answer these questions? The Confederate States were agrarian, with little industry. How then did they, by July 1861, have a fully trained, armed, clothed and fed Army in the field and defeat the Yankees at Manassas? Where did all the supplies and grey uniforms come from? How do you train an Army in secret? What means of communication did they use to accomplish all this in such a short time? Remember Fort Sumter was fired on in April!
Suggest you read John Qincy Adams on how the Constitution was ratified. There was much concern that state legislative ratification was not honoring the need for resepcting the locus of sovereignty in the People. So, in addition to state ratification by the legislature, it was also ratified by separate constitutional conventions elected by the People. This act of delegation taking part of the power from the State and giving it to the federal government through a Constitution created a Union indivisable by the state legislatures. http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/misc/1839-jub.htm
“The Convention assembled at Philadelphia had themselves no direct authority from the people. Their authority was all derived from the state legislatures. But they had the articles of confederation before them, and they saw and felt the wretched condition into which they had brought the whole people, and that the Union itself was in the agonies of death. They soon perceived that the indispensably needed powers were such as no state government; no combination of them was by the principles of the Declaration of Independence competent to bestow. They could emanate only from the people. A highly respectable portion of the assembly, still clinging to the confederacy of states, proposed as a substitute for the Constitution, a mere revival of the articles of confederation, with a grant of additional powers to the Congress. Their plan was respectfully and thoroughly discussed, but the want of a government and of the sanction of the people to the delegation of powers, happily prevailed. A Constitution for the people, and the distribution of legislative, executive, and judicial powers, was prepared. It announced itself as the work of the people themselves; and as this was unquestionably a power assumed by the Convention, not delegated to them by the people, they religiously confined it to a simple power to propose, and carefully provided that it should be no more than a proposal until sanctioned by the confederation Congress, by the state Legislatures, and by the people of the several states, in conventions specially assembled, by authority of their Legislatures, for the single purpose of examining and passing upon it”
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