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Rush Limbaugh Responds To Palin's Resignation
YouTube/RadioEqualizer ^ | July 4, 2009 | by Brian Maloney

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:16:33 PM PDT by MaestroLC

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To: DoughtyOne
Sorry, I've been tearing out a toilet and installing a new one....Just getting to FR in spurts. Didn't mean to ignore you, but really don't have time to do a long thesis.

I asked you to read a very small book, less than 100 pages to better understand where I was coming from. Instead you insist on me giving analysis of what is in YOUR head. That I can't do even if I were willing to do it.
From the book:
1. We ALL invalidate—you, me, the guy next door everyone.
2. It is not up to another person to determine if the validation was on purpose.
3. Only the person doing the validation can determine that
(Your unwillingness to investigate a premise I asked you to look into invalidated me. (It says my information is not of value to you and you do not value my thoughts).
4. The book list many types of validation...most are innocently done,
5. Others are used to control, keep folks in a certain place... Those include abusers, misogynist etc that I mentioned before....even teachers, and parents.
6. People who are targets in this type of relationship often minimize or make excuses for the person who is the invalidator.

I don't know your background and can't answer why you made the comments you did, whether they were intentional invalidation or just innocent comments.

You certainly intentionally minimized anything I said or suggested in your last post that any suggestion I made had no value to you. If I in turn suggested you (get a life) or some other flippant comeback I would be invalidating you, I don't care to do so.
My original intent was just trying to give people some information so that they could handle the onslaught that we are going to be facing against Sarah. I included you because I thought you were interested in the topic. Obviously you're not.
You seem to have taken it personally. Look at yourself ..only you can determine where you stand ....the analysis is yours....Same belongs to the others (all others) on the thread regarding their own comments and intent.

Now I really must get some work done....Hope this helps clarify, Get the book less than $2. used on amazon. for more information.

451 posted on 07/06/2009 1:59:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: trisham

You are correct...It was an attempt to help folks handle attacks on Sarah....

You got it.


452 posted on 07/06/2009 2:01:24 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: potlatch

I think your tag line was great. I just wasn’t sure if there was a tie-in that I should respond to.

Put it back, and thanks for the kind words of agreement.


453 posted on 07/06/2009 2:09:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: hoosiermama
Been there, done that.  I've had my hands in some of the rarest of conveniences from an early age.  Replacing toilets and sewer pipe were a few of the tricks my grandfather taught me.

Once you had posted to other people including myself, without responding on point to me, I naturally thought you didn't care to response.  I don't think that is all that irrational.  I accept your explanation.

If you would have addressed comments to me about invalidation literature, I wouldn't have balked at the concept, if you hadn't done it to my extensive comments.  What bothered me was that you linked them to my extensive comments in #402, which I actually perceived as a possible invalidation in and of itself.  Further I thought you were possibly inferring I was guilty of certain things.  That's why I asked you to explain some things to me, so I could take them in the proper context.  A simple response there would have sufficed.

Your unwillingness to investigate a premise I asked you to look into invalidated me. (It says my information is not of value to you and you do not value my thoughts).

I didn't say I wasn't willing. I didn't state your thoughts had no value, and I didn't dismiss them.  I responded on point to every issue you raised.  I stated I didn't believe it was appropriate to throw those terms out there the way you did, and expect me to leave them hanging while I purchased reference materials, waited for them to come, read them, and then came back to the forum to respond on point.  Quite the opposite, I was paying close attention to what you said.  I wouldn't have objected if I had dismissed your thoughts.  I think that speaks for itself.  And what is that comment between brackets there, if not an invalidation of my comments to you?  Shouldn't you value my thoughts?

Although we've both been here for a long time, I don't know you well either.  All I can do is try to divine what you meant, and ask you to explain something if I have a question about it.

I went to great pains to make sure my reasons were clear for making the comments I did to you in that post.  That means that the post was far longer than it needed to be, but I didn't want you to misunderstand anything I said.  And yet, you still did.

You reduced the post to this, "
You certainly intentionally minimized anything I said or suggested in your last post that any suggestion I made had no value to you."  I went out of my way to state that I did not totally dismiss the value of reading your materials.  I believe that was the core of your post.  So I'm somewhat baffled by your comment that I minimized any suggestion you had made.  Look, you use words like bigotry, abuse, and misogyny to me, and then expect me not to react.  Again, aren't you doing the very thing you are taking me to task for?  You dismissed the validity of the responses I made to your action, didn't you?  What you do is you make comments, and if I respond to those comments, I'm invalidating your thoughts.  I'm not if I disagree and explain why.  Here you're invalidating mine though.  That's what it seems like to me.

What I actually did, was call you on every aspect of what I thought you had done, that was inappropriate.  Mixed in there, I was also gracious enough to state that yes, the books you referred probably did have value.  I just suggested that folks should be careful about how they apply the information in them.  I gave examples why.  I don't think it's wrong to recognize things for what they are as parts of sentence structure or potentially abusive tools (if you will).  I just don't think it's appropriate to characterize every instance of some of those things to be very destructive or manipulative.  Of course they can be at times, but people need to realize that at other times they may not be.  I all depends on the situation.

No, actually I am interested in this subject matter.  I just don't want to have something posted to a post I spent hours developing, that may infer that I'm a bigot, an abuser, a misogynist or all three.  Yes, I did take that personally.  Who wouldn't?

You state that only I can determine what my intent was.  Frankly, I would hope that people could read that post of mine and know damn certain that it wasn't evidence of bigotry, an abusive nature, or misogyny, and for that simply reason NEVER EVER post something to it using terms like those, especially if the fail to flesh out whether I was guilty of them or not.

Your response helped to clarify some things, but it is extremely frustrating for someone to suggest that I need to go read a book so I can stop doing what they are doing.

Look, this post makes it seem like I don't like you.  I didn't appreciate your note, but this stops here as are as I am concerned.  I'd be glad to talk to you on other threads.  I believe you think I am over-reacting here.  I don't believe I am, but what the heck.

I realize you're working, so I'll clam up until you return.  If you don't want to say more, I do appreciate your response.

Hope you task was completed to your satisfaction.
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454 posted on 07/06/2009 3:20:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: DoughtyOne

We’ve been connected to each other since the freeper cruises.....
I just don’t have time during the day to go into long threads...and when I do stop by a thread and see long detail discussion on who said what, it IS annoying to me.....things we used to send to the back room.....Usually I just go on, but there were enough other comments on the thread that I was interested in, kept coming back.

I understand why you went to beck’s...defense as I explained to you earlier...I often do that myself. Sometimes even for new freepers who are just learning the ropes...I remember one, who you could probably name, that would sometimes have a little too much to drink when thay posted and we all made allowances.

But I really don’t have the time to discuss and discuss.

I have had contact with you since mentioning the book including jokes on the freepathon thread....So I was taken back with your long post above that I felt invalidated by....

Particularly since I refuse to say anymore than each person must look at their own actions as to why we do it....and we all do, although most are unintentional...I certainly didn’t criticise your actions.

Beck’s comments were invalidations. The book mentions how to deal with such comments. I’ve learned from the book: 1. they don’t need to be discussed or excused, just acknowledged for what they are. 2. where/why they come from is not yours or mine or anyone elses problem...they belong to the source....and should be left with the source.

I certainly have never had any ill will to you for all these years we’ve posted to each other, would hate to see it now.

Now I really must get to the garden.


455 posted on 07/06/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"No, actually I am interested in this subject matter. I just don't want to have something posted to a post I spent hours developing, that may infer that I'm a bigot, an abuser, a misogynist or all three. Yes, I did take that personally. Who wouldn't?"

Never said you were: Those were just part of the content of the book...letting you know some of what is in it and that invalidation is part of those problems and may be the source of the invaldation. Others didn't take it personally.

456 posted on 07/06/2009 3:56:10 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: DoughtyOne

My friend, you are a gentleman.


457 posted on 07/06/2009 4:00:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: hoosiermama

Hoosiermama, I don’t harbor ill will toward you, and I appreciate the note.

I should remember better having interaction with you on the cruise threads, but right now I barely do, simply because you mentioned it. It’s not personal at all.

Yes, we have probably had recent contact on the Freepathon Thread, but I’ll be honest, there are times when I make responses when I don’t focus on the name of the person. I enter those threads to bump, and read the comments, but I don’t quite give them the same attention that I would a normal thread on news topics. Sorry.

I do remember the person you’re referring to. And I think it’s funny how you worded it, exactly right.

Good luck with your chores.


458 posted on 07/06/2009 4:04:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: hoosiermama

You were not posting to their comments. You were posting to mine. And you did say the tactics were used by people guilty of those things. Take care...


459 posted on 07/06/2009 4:07:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

bttt


460 posted on 07/06/2009 4:08:20 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes that is what the book says the tactics ARE used by those groups, but I also said it says that everyone does it....Read the book and then we can discuss it.


461 posted on 07/06/2009 4:14:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

You know what Hoosiermama, not once have you said you were sorry for leaving that impression on the thread. Not once have you said you were sorry for posting something like that to my comments. I didn’t ask you to, but it would have been gracious of you. I didn’t start this. You did.

Now you defend doing it once again, and tell me again to go get the book that tells me not to do what you are doing all over the place.

I do not make bigoted comments, exhibit abuse or misogyny on the forum. End of story!

You are as insensitive a person as I have ever seen here, and yet you are asking others to be more sensitive.

Good grief! Own up to what you did. Make a point of not to do it to others.

I’m willing to be reasonable, but sheesh...


462 posted on 07/06/2009 4:33:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: DoughtyOne

BTW. Always good to find you on the threads.

A belated HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY to you and your family.


463 posted on 07/06/2009 5:32:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: FreeReign; DoughtyOne

By 2012, the country may have changed to the point that it would take a COUP for Sarah to become President.

Do you know what I mean?


464 posted on 07/06/2009 5:37:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

Thank you very much. I went over to a good friend’s home for a Bar-B-Que and finger foods. Had a great time.

We live about 8 miles as the crow flies from La Crescenta High School. They have a fireworks show each Independence Day.

It was very clear on Saturday evening. I watched the fireworks from our balcony. They were small because of the distance, but they were as sharp as could be.

How was your day?


465 posted on 07/06/2009 5:40:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: UCANSEE2

I think I do. ;-)


466 posted on 07/06/2009 5:41:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: DoughtyOne; Lauren BaRecall; trisham; beckett
For that reason, I wasn’t inclined to go for the throat of Beckett.

The value of experience, and a display of the civility we try to maintain here on FR.

That said, Beckett didn't say anything others haven't said (or worse), it was just who he said it about. It ruffled a lot of feathers.

467 posted on 07/06/2009 5:53:17 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: DoughtyOne; Lauren BaRecall; trisham; beckett
For that reason, I wasn’t inclined to go for the throat of Beckett.

The value of experience, and a display of the civility we try to maintain here on FR.

That said, Beckett didn't say anything others haven't said (or worse), it was just who he said it about. It ruffled a lot of feathers.

468 posted on 07/06/2009 5:53:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: DoughtyOne

Resting, peaceful and quiet. Even with the fireworks going off all weekend. Thanks.


469 posted on 07/06/2009 5:58:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: DoughtyOne; Lauren BaRecall; trisham; beckett

Sorry for the double post. It wasn’t my fault.
It was this pinhead computer.


470 posted on 07/06/2009 5:59:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Deb

I’ll concede that she didn’t inform Kristol.

Allow me to ask this: If Sarah wanted to ‘reveal’ this to the Media (public), wanted to do it ‘personally’, and picked the time to do it, wouldn’t revealing it to anyone else (especially a member of the MSM), be very counterproductive?


471 posted on 07/06/2009 6:05:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

I’m pretty sure Bill Kristol can keep a secret. He’d have no reason to leak and probably would have had a stronger defense for her.


472 posted on 07/06/2009 6:14:29 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: DoughtyOne
I can think of other people they’d burn with here.

Many of them post here.

473 posted on 07/06/2009 6:16:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Deb

But, as you stated, she didn’t even tell her ‘own’ press secretary.


474 posted on 07/06/2009 6:21:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Deb
probably would have had a stronger defense for her.

I don't think it gets any better than "crazy like a fox".

His 'reaction' was likely much better than any pre-prepared response he would have made had he known ahead of time.

475 posted on 07/06/2009 6:25:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, that was my point. I was responding to the statement that the decision had been long in the making. It had all the appearances of something decided over the kitchen table the night before.


476 posted on 07/06/2009 6:27:06 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Whatever. You seem to have the need to go round-and-round.


477 posted on 07/06/2009 6:28:45 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: UCANSEE2

And I do understand that. All it takes is for 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 posters to say they disagree. There! Whose message rules the day?

It’s not that difficult. Heh heh heh...


478 posted on 07/06/2009 6:41:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: UCANSEE2

Good for you, if by choice...


479 posted on 07/06/2009 6:42:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: UCANSEE2

Oh sure, blame it on the poor little innocent computer, shivering at the very thought of hostile physical retaliation, and endless streams of vile cursing...

;-)


480 posted on 07/06/2009 6:43:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: UCANSEE2

Hey! True...


481 posted on 07/06/2009 6:44:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: beckett

So, are you another Romneybot, or a Huck duck?


482 posted on 07/06/2009 6:46:41 PM PDT by alarm rider (My tagline is on vacation.)
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To: Deb
I was responding to the statement that the decision had been long in the making. It had all the appearances of something decided over the kitchen table the night before.

So which do you think it was?

483 posted on 07/06/2009 8:30:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Deb
You seem to have the need to go round-and-round.

Only because your comments seem to lead in a circle.

: )

484 posted on 07/06/2009 8:35:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2; DoughtyOne; trisham; hoosiermama; beckett
When all is said and done, here's a little youtube video we can all agree on! :-)
485 posted on 07/06/2009 9:38:39 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Proud heterosexual.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall; DoughtyOne; trisham; hoosiermama; beckett

Here’s something soothing for the mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTObBNQ1anQ


486 posted on 07/06/2009 10:17:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I just viewed the video on You-Tube, “Validation”.

Very nice. Thanks for the link.

I really enjoyed it, and I’d recommend it to others.

D1


487 posted on 07/07/2009 4:10:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: hoosiermama

Good morning. I hope you’re have a great day today.


488 posted on 07/07/2009 4:11:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: DoughtyOne
Just getting up.. Got to get to the garden today...It's been so humid weeds have grown so fast...and get some mowing done as soon as the grass dries off...

It's always a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Did you watch Hannity last night...a very “pro-Palin program” (say that fast ten times)

On one of the threads the details for her first ‘48’ engagement was given, she'll be speaking at the Reagan Library August 8th...are you close to that? Woman's group is sponsoring it.

Got to go, get dads morning medicine for him.
I stop back in off and on. Some days more off than on.

Enjoy you day also.

489 posted on 07/07/2009 4:27:54 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

I’ll make a note of that, and if I can I’ll attend. I really appreciate you mentioning it.

Bye for now.


490 posted on 07/07/2009 4:31:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: UCANSEE2; Lauren BaRecall
Appreciate the thought...We're still on dial up so downloading u-tube is next to impossible...

Hopefully Verizon will be here soon..Neighbors on the way to town just signed up and Verizon says they're close and coming this way.

491 posted on 07/07/2009 4:48:11 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

Yeah. I guess you’ll know for sure when you see 200 guys hanging out in your front yard.

: )


492 posted on 07/08/2009 8:55:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
You laugh...I live in a barn and each time a phone guy came to hook the phone up, they couldn't because something else had to be done by someone else....

Finally one day they knocked on the door of the still very much a barn building....There were nine men and seven assorted vehicles.....The men were all standing in a row with tools and other various equipment in hand....When I came to the open loft, they sang (bending their knees to the beat of the music) “WE'RE THE TELEPHONE MEN.....”

Great group of guys, who stopped by regularly with friends and family to encourage and support my progress.

Yes, God did give me a stable for a new life!

493 posted on 07/08/2009 10:14:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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