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When Benedict Meets Barack (Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world)
Time ^ | Sunday, Jul. 05, 2009 | Jeff Israely

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:30:31 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: Mamzelle
In the ambassador noms, O has been sending deliberately insulting candidates to the Vatican. The pope refused to make any comment on honoring Obama with a degree at Notre Dame.

You come off sounding like a person who forms an opinion without reading the facts too closely. The Vatican REJECTED at least three ambassador candidates from Obama that I can think of. The Pope has zero control over what goes on at so-called "Catholic" universities. They are controlled by boards of directors. Before he was Pope Joseph Ratzinger was the loudest voice in opposition in the Vatican (and thus probably the world). As Pope, he has not wavered in the conviction of his statements. You come across sounding like someone who is a little unclear about what it is a Pope should and should not do.

51 posted on 07/06/2009 8:09:12 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

Thanks. I’m flattered that you took the time to write a detailed response.

But there is no so-called “palestine”, nor any so-called “palestinians” but for various conglomerations of predominatly islamist arabs who should preferably be killed en masse. Of the survivors wishing to remain they would be required to sign a loyalty oath to the Jewish State. All others would be expelled and dumped in some arab country where I’m sure they would be well cared for (not). Or they can wander in the Sinai for forty years - which was good enough for the Jews - where a future generation might just make something of Gaza (which should be held in perpetuity as a future “arab” state).

But Judea and Samaria are...or should be Jewish. Who named them after all?...

And I’m not even Jewish, but Noachide. Though of the Kahane school I guess.


52 posted on 07/06/2009 8:44:37 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: presidio9

**(Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world)**

ROFL.

The Pope is on his fourth book — published this month. I think he already has a firm footing on the world through Faith, Hope and Charity.

What an idiot Obortion Obama is to think he has anything at all to offer Pope Benedict. He needs to be on his knees asking for forgiveness for all the babies he has facilitated the killing of.


53 posted on 07/06/2009 8:49:12 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: onedoug

Sorry, but that’s just your opinion. We here in NY became Americans on July 4th, 1776. Before that, we were NYers. Before that New Amsterdamers (or something to that effect). Before that the people here called themselves Mohegans and then by various local names. The point is, the people here WERE what they called themselves, regardless of what their enemies thought of them. Calling the Palestinians “Philistines” won’t make they go away.

Thank you for being flattered that I responed to you post to me. You picked the most innocuous topic to continue our dialogue. It that an admission that you understand how wrong you were to lump the Pope in with Obama, or did you just not bother to read everything that I had to say?


54 posted on 07/06/2009 8:53:19 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: Republic

** He will do what he has to for the photo op, **

I am hoping that Pope Benedict will not offer him a photo op — just like he wouldn’t have his pic taken with Natty Pelosi.


55 posted on 07/06/2009 8:53:56 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Republic

I join you in prayers for the Pope.


56 posted on 07/06/2009 8:54:22 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: presidio9; nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

Pray for the Pope ping!


57 posted on 07/06/2009 8:57:40 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: presidio9
Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world.

Hubris (/hjuːbrɪs/) (ancient Greek ὕβρις) is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution or nemesis. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well. It was most evident in the public and private actions of the powerful and rich. The word was also used to describe actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist's downfall.

58 posted on 07/06/2009 8:59:53 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: presidio9
Yet another source...

"His earlier calls for the establishment of a Palestinian homeland also put a damper on the high-profile trip...."

Sorry, but that’s just your opinion.

You're right.

God's grace to You and Yours....

59 posted on 07/06/2009 9:13:35 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: presidio9
I'd like a little help from Benedict in re abortion. A word, a retort, a rebuke. Now he's rushing and scheduling to please Obama, the most radical pro-abort pol ever. Obama loves the fuss.

I don't

60 posted on 07/06/2009 9:14:54 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: onedoug
Doug, this is a simple concept. I explained it to you. What you are posting to me is not a direct quote from the Pope, but a rabble-rousing reporter's interpretation of what the man said. Unless you had a lot of faith in a particyular reporter, or the media in general, only a fool would base opinions on that kind of journalism. Bear in mind that I'm not calling you a fool and I hope I'm right. As it stands, you obviously have no clue on what the Pope actually said, and what he meant. In other words, your opinion is unimformed and has no value.
61 posted on 07/06/2009 9:20:15 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: Mamzelle

Again, google “Cardinal Ratzinger + abortion.” You will find that no Catholic offical has had more to say about abortion in the last 50 years. He will also read the riot act to Obama during their audience, but it will be private and Obama won’t care.

What the Pope won’t do is single out the United States or US politicians. That is not the Pope’s role, and there are countless other countries in the world that are more Catholic but have simiar abortion laws. The goal of Catholicism is to reach the individual, so she won’t have abortions, or he won’t perform them, and the both won’t vote for politicians who support them. Pope Benedict has already focused on these topics repeatedly.


62 posted on 07/06/2009 9:25:42 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: Republic

B16 won’t need to be armed with anything.

He is, hands down, one of the smartest people on the planet on a bad day.

Barry, by contrast, is an amazingly dull intellect and a snake-oil propogandist. Possibly one of the weakest minds to occupy the Oval Office.


63 posted on 07/06/2009 9:50:12 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("No road is too long with good company" - Turkish Proverb)
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To: presidio9
Who cares what riot he reads in the secret and quiet? He's providing photo op. Obama doesn't care about what Pope says, he laughs at that, like he laughs at Brian Williams in bed with him...he's only into the image that a pontiff provides. Pictures. That's what sells.
64 posted on 07/06/2009 10:17:42 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: presidio9
If I was Benedict, I would insist that NO pictures be taken, for any reason. Boy, don't you know that would frost the Emperor??
65 posted on 07/07/2009 12:48:35 AM PDT by redhead (Liberalism: The STD of American politics. Check out the Half-baked Sourdough! (shameless blog plug!))
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To: freekitty
"Because Michelle is sure to show her non manners in one way or another."

Well, women who have audiences with the Pope are supposed to wear long-sleeved black dresses. I hope the Pirhanna Queen wears her nice "black widow" number...

66 posted on 07/07/2009 12:50:43 AM PDT by redhead (Liberalism: The STD of American politics. Check out the Half-baked Sourdough! (shameless blog plug!))
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To: Mamzelle

The Pope is also a head of state (The Vatican) and in that role it is his responsibility to meet with other heads of state. The Vatican has ambassadors in many, many countries, including the United States.

As a head of state and as head of the Church, he must worry about the welfare of the Catholics in many countries, including our own. Refusing to meet with a president would be the equivalent of poking a stick in the eye of someone who is already making every effort to undermine the authority of the Church in the United States.

We don’t live in a world in which actions don’t have far-flung consequences. That is what Pope Benedict knows, and that is why he will meet with Obama.


67 posted on 07/07/2009 4:06:14 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: presidio9
I have nothing but praise for your efforts to explain the manipulation and deception in this article. For many years I have watched as otherwise intelligent Freepers were manipulated by the press with this type of shoddy journalism.

If I had a dollar for every time an outraged thread followed a New York Times story, I would be a wealthy woman.

The construct is usually to start with a false premise, back it up with quotes from unattributable sources, and sprinkle in a few attributed quotes on a peripheral issue, giving the illusion that the article has factual backing. That is what has been done in this article, and it is a shameful propaganda technique that I had hoped people by now would be able to spot.

Thanks for your pointing it out.

68 posted on 07/07/2009 4:13:20 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: presidio9

For some (this includes the dying Time Magazine), 0bama and Michael Jackson are heroes.

For others, Benedict XVI and Ronald Reagan are heroes.

Res ipsa loquitor.


69 posted on 07/07/2009 5:16:09 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: presidio9

I hope Pope Benedict says, as he turns and faces Mr. Obama, “Be quiet! Come out of him!”


70 posted on 07/07/2009 5:21:37 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: presidio9

The way the MSM frames this meeting by ‘color’ (white vs. black) is just disgusting. I have no doubt that Pope Benedict XVI’s primary objective will be to make very clear to Barack Obama the error of his ways with regard to life in all of its stages (conception to natural death).


71 posted on 07/07/2009 5:48:13 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: redhead

I wish for that too, but I am preparing myself not to be disappointed since it is highly likely that the photo op will occur since he is the POTUS. ;-(


72 posted on 07/07/2009 5:57:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
The way the MSM frames this meeting by ‘color’ (white vs. black) is just disgusting.

I know it's not meant as such, but I'll just take it in reference to the "color" of their respective souls...

73 posted on 07/07/2009 6:27:00 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Haha. Very good.


74 posted on 07/07/2009 7:12:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Miss Marple
The construct is usually to start with a false premise, back it up with quotes from unattributable sources, and sprinkle in a few attributed quotes on a peripheral issue, giving the illusion that the article has factual backing.

I was done here multiple times by a couple of diligent posters who even linked other articles that made the EXCAT same error. The problem here on FR usually is that a lot of Catholics have been filled with misinformation about what the Pope can and can't do. Those false premises lead them to misinterpret what the man says. I think there are honest reporters out there who make the same mistake, and others who seek to intentionally mislead. Plus there are moderators here on FR who encourage delibrate and lying attacks on Catholicism.

75 posted on 07/07/2009 11:38:53 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

Will Bammy grab the FOREARM of the POPE in the POWER HANDSHAKE and just SHOW the POPE who is the more important of the two?? Probably.


76 posted on 07/07/2009 11:48:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: presidio9

“The clear point that the Times is making is that some people in Israel think the Pope is an anti-Semite, and they may be right.”

You’re saying that the Times is saying “they may be right,” not that you are saying they may be right, right?


77 posted on 07/07/2009 2:43:47 PM PDT by dsc (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: Ann Archy

***Will Bammy grab the FOREARM of the POPE in the POWER HANDSHAKE and just SHOW the POPE who is the more important of the two?? Probably.***

More like a fist bump. I just wanna see the meeting. I think that the conduct of both will tell who is a man of God and who is Jeremiah Wright’s wind up toy.


78 posted on 07/07/2009 5:41:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: BerryDingle

What in the world is Obama doing in that photo?


79 posted on 07/07/2009 8:19:54 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: presidio9

Come on B16, don’t give him that photo op.


80 posted on 07/08/2009 8:44:51 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Bigg Red

His “footing” got a little muddy.


81 posted on 07/08/2009 2:53:36 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salvation

They have honeybees at the Vatican. I hope he gets stung. Just a little.


82 posted on 07/09/2009 12:59:13 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Obama's Health Care Plan Puts the "you" in euthanasia.)
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