Skip to comments.When Benedict Meets Barack (Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world)
Posted on 07/05/2009 12:30:31 PM PDT by presidio9
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You come off sounding like a person who forms an opinion without reading the facts too closely. The Vatican REJECTED at least three ambassador candidates from Obama that I can think of. The Pope has zero control over what goes on at so-called "Catholic" universities. They are controlled by boards of directors. Before he was Pope Joseph Ratzinger was the loudest voice in opposition in the Vatican (and thus probably the world). As Pope, he has not wavered in the conviction of his statements. You come across sounding like someone who is a little unclear about what it is a Pope should and should not do.
Thanks. I’m flattered that you took the time to write a detailed response.
But there is no so-called “palestine”, nor any so-called “palestinians” but for various conglomerations of predominatly islamist arabs who should preferably be killed en masse. Of the survivors wishing to remain they would be required to sign a loyalty oath to the Jewish State. All others would be expelled and dumped in some arab country where I’m sure they would be well cared for (not). Or they can wander in the Sinai for forty years - which was good enough for the Jews - where a future generation might just make something of Gaza (which should be held in perpetuity as a future “arab” state).
But Judea and Samaria are...or should be Jewish. Who named them after all?...
And I’m not even Jewish, but Noachide. Though of the Kahane school I guess.
**(Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world)**
The Pope is on his fourth book — published this month. I think he already has a firm footing on the world through Faith, Hope and Charity.
What an idiot Obortion Obama is to think he has anything at all to offer Pope Benedict. He needs to be on his knees asking for forgiveness for all the babies he has facilitated the killing of.
Sorry, but that’s just your opinion. We here in NY became Americans on July 4th, 1776. Before that, we were NYers. Before that New Amsterdamers (or something to that effect). Before that the people here called themselves Mohegans and then by various local names. The point is, the people here WERE what they called themselves, regardless of what their enemies thought of them. Calling the Palestinians “Philistines” won’t make they go away.
Thank you for being flattered that I responed to you post to me. You picked the most innocuous topic to continue our dialogue. It that an admission that you understand how wrong you were to lump the Pope in with Obama, or did you just not bother to read everything that I had to say?
** He will do what he has to for the photo op, **
I am hoping that Pope Benedict will not offer him a photo op — just like he wouldn’t have his pic taken with Natty Pelosi.
I join you in prayers for the Pope.
Pray for the Pope ping!
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"His earlier calls for the establishment of a Palestinian homeland also put a damper on the high-profile trip...."
Sorry, but thats just your opinion.
God's grace to You and Yours....
Again, google “Cardinal Ratzinger + abortion.” You will find that no Catholic offical has had more to say about abortion in the last 50 years. He will also read the riot act to Obama during their audience, but it will be private and Obama won’t care.
What the Pope won’t do is single out the United States or US politicians. That is not the Pope’s role, and there are countless other countries in the world that are more Catholic but have simiar abortion laws. The goal of Catholicism is to reach the individual, so she won’t have abortions, or he won’t perform them, and the both won’t vote for politicians who support them. Pope Benedict has already focused on these topics repeatedly.
B16 won’t need to be armed with anything.
He is, hands down, one of the smartest people on the planet on a bad day.
Barry, by contrast, is an amazingly dull intellect and a snake-oil propogandist. Possibly one of the weakest minds to occupy the Oval Office.
Well, women who have audiences with the Pope are supposed to wear long-sleeved black dresses. I hope the Pirhanna Queen wears her nice "black widow" number...
The Pope is also a head of state (The Vatican) and in that role it is his responsibility to meet with other heads of state. The Vatican has ambassadors in many, many countries, including the United States.
As a head of state and as head of the Church, he must worry about the welfare of the Catholics in many countries, including our own. Refusing to meet with a president would be the equivalent of poking a stick in the eye of someone who is already making every effort to undermine the authority of the Church in the United States.
We don’t live in a world in which actions don’t have far-flung consequences. That is what Pope Benedict knows, and that is why he will meet with Obama.
If I had a dollar for every time an outraged thread followed a New York Times story, I would be a wealthy woman.
The construct is usually to start with a false premise, back it up with quotes from unattributable sources, and sprinkle in a few attributed quotes on a peripheral issue, giving the illusion that the article has factual backing. That is what has been done in this article, and it is a shameful propaganda technique that I had hoped people by now would be able to spot.
Thanks for your pointing it out.
For some (this includes the dying Time Magazine), 0bama and Michael Jackson are heroes.
For others, Benedict XVI and Ronald Reagan are heroes.
Res ipsa loquitor.
I hope Pope Benedict says, as he turns and faces Mr. Obama, “Be quiet! Come out of him!”
The way the MSM frames this meeting by ‘color’ (white vs. black) is just disgusting. I have no doubt that Pope Benedict XVI’s primary objective will be to make very clear to Barack Obama the error of his ways with regard to life in all of its stages (conception to natural death).
I wish for that too, but I am preparing myself not to be disappointed since it is highly likely that the photo op will occur since he is the POTUS. ;-(
I know it's not meant as such, but I'll just take it in reference to the "color" of their respective souls...
Haha. Very good.
I was done here multiple times by a couple of diligent posters who even linked other articles that made the EXCAT same error. The problem here on FR usually is that a lot of Catholics have been filled with misinformation about what the Pope can and can't do. Those false premises lead them to misinterpret what the man says. I think there are honest reporters out there who make the same mistake, and others who seek to intentionally mislead. Plus there are moderators here on FR who encourage delibrate and lying attacks on Catholicism.
Will Bammy grab the FOREARM of the POPE in the POWER HANDSHAKE and just SHOW the POPE who is the more important of the two?? Probably.
“The clear point that the Times is making is that some people in Israel think the Pope is an anti-Semite, and they may be right.”
You’re saying that the Times is saying “they may be right,” not that you are saying they may be right, right?
***Will Bammy grab the FOREARM of the POPE in the POWER HANDSHAKE and just SHOW the POPE who is the more important of the two?? Probably.***
More like a fist bump. I just wanna see the meeting. I think that the conduct of both will tell who is a man of God and who is Jeremiah Wright’s wind up toy.
What in the world is Obama doing in that photo?
Come on B16, don’t give him that photo op.
His “footing” got a little muddy.
They have honeybees at the Vatican. I hope he gets stung. Just a little.