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Road rage suspect released from jail after being shot by victim
abcactionnews ^ | 7/5/2009 | Staff

Posted on 07/05/2009 1:40:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

PASADENA, FL -- An elderly man on his way to visit his wife at a Pinellas County hospital ended up shooting a man in self-defense in the hospital's parking lot, according to the Pinellas Sheriff's Office.

Detectives say 83-year-old Nathan Snyder was driving to Palms of Pasadena Hospital when he reportedly cut off a motorcycle as he was driving along Pasadena Avenue, about 1/2 mile north of the hospital, just before 3pm Friday afternoon.

The motorcycle driver, 64-year-old George Hall, followed Snyder into the hospital's parking lot and confronted him, investigators said.

When Snyder opened his car door, detectives say Hall began punching him in the head as Snyder was sitting in his front seat.

Snyder, who told detectives he feared for his life, pulled out a handgun and shot Hall in self-defense, according to the Sheriff's Office.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; geezers; roadrage

1 posted on 07/05/2009 1:40:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

A man’s gotta know his limitations.


2 posted on 07/05/2009 1:42:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Now look here, sonny. I wasn’t born yesterday...”


3 posted on 07/05/2009 1:44:40 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

job well done..mr hall will think twice before attacking someone for just “cutting them off”..


5 posted on 07/05/2009 1:47:46 PM PDT by BerniesFriend (no no..arrrrwwwhhh..as in surprise..)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The motorcycle driver, 64-year-old George Hall, followed Snyder into the hospital's parking lot and confronted him

It took 64 years for him meet someone that doesn't put up with his anger problem. I'll bet it's resolved now.

6 posted on 07/05/2009 1:51:21 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: BerniesFriend

Right, like this 83 yr old had malintentions.

Good riddance.


7 posted on 07/05/2009 1:51:39 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: Blue Turtle

Best...line...ever.


8 posted on 07/05/2009 1:52:44 PM PDT by TheZMan ("I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Grandpa needs a bigger gun. The guy lived.


9 posted on 07/05/2009 1:53:43 PM PDT by klute
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To: Red in Blue PA

Never pick a fight with an old man. He’s not willing to take a beating, so he’ll probably just kill you.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 1:54:07 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: BerniesFriend

I get cut off on my motorcycle all the time, its routine. People either don’t see your or they do but don’t think you are significant enough to alter their intended course. It makes me mad, but to follow an old man into a parking lot and beat him up over it is just plain nuts and puts you in arsehole city.

The arsehole got what he deserved. Bet he was surprised....LOL!


11 posted on 07/05/2009 1:54:42 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Red in Blue PA
George Hall is one class act.

Only surprise here is that nobody has blown the idiot away long before now, as I highly doubt this was his impulsive outburst.

He probably goes to the nursing home and kicks old ladies for training.

12 posted on 07/05/2009 1:55:30 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (E)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sixtysomething geezers on bikes.......

And then one goes ballistic and gets iced by a REAL geezer whom I hope lives to see the ol’ century mark.


13 posted on 07/05/2009 1:58:14 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Ain't gonna name)
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To: Red in Blue PA

My bad. I thought they briefly jailed the eighty-three year old and released him with no charges filed.

I think he needs to get a bigger caliber gun. And next time, don’t open your car door. Just crack your window and let him have it because you might be seeing him again, unfortunately.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 2:01:38 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Ain't gonna name)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Detectives say 83-year-old Nathan Snyder was driving to Palms of Pasadena Hospital when he reportedly cut off a motorcycle as he was driving along Pasadena Avenue.

It,s about time for mandatory driver testing maybe it should start at age 53.


15 posted on 07/05/2009 2:07:16 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: cquiggy

This can’t possibly be the first Florida driver that Hall has come across.


16 posted on 07/05/2009 2:14:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This brute got what he deserved for trying to brutalize an old man, even if the geezer did cut him off. A larger cabliber might be better, but if he can’t handle a larger caliber (might be a q-tip) then a quicker followup shot would work.


17 posted on 07/05/2009 2:18:29 PM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: cquiggy

Right.

Just what we need. More nanny government telling you what you can and can’t do.

By the way there sonny! How old are you?

53 is old?

So you’re what? 15? 20? 30?

I’d be interested to find out what you think when you hit your 50 mark.

Unless, of course, you don’t plan on getting older.


18 posted on 07/05/2009 2:18:34 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: cquiggy

I think it should be every three or four years from day one.

lots of addicts, and people who develop medical problems of which they are unaware out there.


19 posted on 07/05/2009 2:18:48 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I love a happy ending.


20 posted on 07/05/2009 2:19:43 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: MrEdd

“and people who develop medical problems of which they are unaware out there.”

Yeah. Kinda like slowly losing your eyesight.

But don’t worry. If Obama has his way, by the time you eyes start to change laws will already be in place to take your license away.

Should be right around 45 years of age. If not sooner.

Yeah. We can’t take care of ourselves so better let the government do it, right?


21 posted on 07/05/2009 2:22:44 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: HerrBlucher
Actually, people don't "see" you. It isn't a matter of thinking you're insignificant, it has to do with expectations and the way your brain works when you're processing a lot of information in a hurry.

When you're driving, you're looking primarily for other cars, and your brain concentrates on that pattern - big rectangle with two headlights, not a narrow vertical line with one (consider how your brain does a double-take when you meet a car with one headlight out). Motorcycles (and bicycles) don't fit the pattern, and you don't "see" them until it's almost too late (or just too late).

That's why the bumper sticker/poster campaign: "Look twice - save a life - motorcycles are everywhere." This is also why occasionally you get a slow-thinking driver who 'didn't see' a transit bus or an 18 wheeler. Doesn't fit the pattern.

Makes no sense to go ballistic on an elderly man because he didn't see you, this guy just was looking for an excuse to beat up on somebody. Dollars to donuts he has been bullying for a long time, he just encountered somebody who wouldn't put up with the nonsense.

22 posted on 07/05/2009 2:36:25 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Hell, I’m in a Subaru and people don’t see me. You just deal with it.


23 posted on 07/05/2009 2:40:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: cquiggy
Anyone going to the hospital to see his wife, who could for all we know be in really bad shape at that age, is worrying about her and will make mistakes.

25, 35 or 75 makes no difference.

Since you will have so many restrictions on your life, courtesy of Obummer, the Fascist, by the time you are 80, I would suggest that you not beg for more.

I always tell my family and friends that if you think that other driver is going to look out for you, you are doomed.

The guy behind you just got chewed out by his boss. He is upset as hell and going over it time after time in his mind. You are very likely to get rear ended.

That guy coming to the stop sign up ahead just learned his kid got killed in Afghanistan. Do you really think his number one priority is looking after you?

So many people on the road have real heart rending personal problems that you have to look out for them.

24 posted on 07/05/2009 2:45:33 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon
I always tell my family and friends that if you think that other driver is going to look out for you, you are doomed.

The guy behind you just got chewed out by his boss. He is upset as hell and going over it time after time in his mind. You are very likely to get rear ended.

That guy coming to the stop sign up ahead just learned his kid got killed in Afghanistan. Do you really think his number one priority is looking after you?

So many people on the road have real heart rending personal problems that you have to look out for them.

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Amen. I always think of this when someone does something that seems inconsiderate, particularly when I am driving near a hospital. I tell my husband "that woman may have just received a diagnosis of breast cancer" or "that man may have a wife in the hospital who he knows is dying".

Yes, some people are simply uncaring. Many are also distracted because they are dealing with the realities of life.

25 posted on 07/05/2009 2:52:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Well said.

The day my FIL died I nearly attempted a left turn on red into the path of a gravel hauler. I stomped on the brakes just in time and shakily wondered where my head was at.


27 posted on 07/05/2009 3:22:48 PM PDT by Aloysius88 (Play nice. Die peaceful. Wave goodbye to freedom.)
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To: Morgana

Big O has the answer. Under Obama care,long before 83 we will all be given that final merry-go-round ride.
barbra ann


28 posted on 07/05/2009 3:26:31 PM PDT by barb-tex (Palin is one of us, not one of them.)
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To: cquiggy
It,s about time for mandatory driver testing maybe it should start at age 53.

OK by me, but I'd start the testing at 17.

29 posted on 07/05/2009 3:30:01 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Bryanw92
Never pick a fight with an old man. He’s not willing to take a beating, so he’ll probably just kill you.

Version I read somewhere was, "Never pick a fight with an old man, he knows he can't beat you so he'll just kill you."

30 posted on 07/05/2009 4:00:42 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: eyedigress

My guess it the guy bought a Harley and the attitude that goes with it.
Bet he’d like a refund now.


31 posted on 07/05/2009 4:13:10 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
When you're driving, you're looking primarily for other cars, and your brain concentrates on that pattern - big rectangle with two headlights, not a narrow vertical line with one (consider how your brain does a double-take when you meet a car with one headlight out). Motorcycles (and bicycles) don't fit the pattern, and you don't "see" them until it's almost too late (or just too late).

That reminds me of an interesting motorcycle encounter. There was a double file flock (gaggle, coven?) of motorcycles approaching from the opposite direction about one hour after sunset on an unlit undivided highway. It looked to me like a line of cars approaching. As they got near, for whatever reason the lead cycle closest to the shoulder increased speed and it looked exactly like the lead "car" was making a left turn directly into me. All this at highway speed. I did flinch and swerve to the right but then could see that they were motorcycles proceeding straight and true. It was one helluva optical illusion.

32 posted on 07/05/2009 4:23:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I've conquered my goddam willpower." Don Marquis)
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To: HerrBlucher

My biggest single concern, and fear, in driving is that I will fail to see a motorcycle. A couple of times I have started a lane change and nearly had a collision with one. I try my hardest to avoid such encounters, but some of them get in my blind spot and stay there. I know they are taught not to do that, that if they can’t see my face in my outside rear view mirror then I probably can’t see them.

I would just like to assure motorcyclists who read this that all drivers are not oblivious to them and that some of us try really hard to make sure they get their share of the road!


33 posted on 07/05/2009 4:49:34 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In Florida, it is legal to carry a loaded handgun within reach in your own car for “legitimate self-defense.” You do not even need one of the famous Florida concealed-carry permits for that! In many other states, that is not legally possible, and the motorcyclist might well have killed the older man.

My personal feeling is that one should not get angry while driving. On the other hand, there are lots of situations where things happen which are bound to cause resentment. A problem is that there is not way to apologize for an inadvertent discourtesy on the road. If you bump into someone on a crowded street, you can say “Sorry!”, and usually everyone understands. There is no similar signal available in a car. If you honk the horn, it always sounds annoying, unpleasant, or even aggressive.

Divers are often actually rather polite if they have a chance: they may yield to someone who is clearly in a jamb, or who has been waiting a long time, or has an awkward trailer which may require extra room: maybe not in New York, but in most other places.

But there is no way simply to say, “Gosh, I really am sorry to have cut you off.” If you could communicate that, an overwhelming number of people (I suspect) would give you a break, and would even appreciate the apology.


34 posted on 07/05/2009 4:52:03 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: HIDEK6; cquiggy
OK by me, but I'd start the testing at 17.

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Why not start testing in the womb? Surely we have the science by now to know who will be a bad driver in the future.

35 posted on 07/05/2009 4:52:54 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: cquiggy
It,s about time for mandatory driver testing maybe it should start at age 53.

"reportedly"

36 posted on 07/05/2009 4:53:03 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Red in Blue PA

In Florida, it is legal to carry a loaded handgun within reach in your own car for “legitimate self-defense.” You do not even need one of the famous Florida concealed-carry permits for that! In many other states, that is not legally possible, and the motorcyclist might well have killed the older man.

My personal feeling is that one should not get angry while driving. On the other hand, there are lots of situations where things happen which are bound to cause resentment. A problem is that there is not way to apologize for an inadvertent discourtesy on the road. If you bump into someone on a crowded street, you can say “Sorry!”, and usually everyone understands. There is no similar signal available in a car. If you honk the horn, it always sounds annoying, unpleasant, or even aggressive.

Divers are often actually rather polite if they have a chance: they may yield to someone who is clearly in a jamb, or who has been waiting a long time, or has an awkward trailer which may require extra room: maybe not in New York, but in most other places.

But there is no way simply to say, “Gosh, I really am sorry to have cut you off.” If you could communicate that, an overwhelming number of people (I suspect) would give you a break, and would even appreciate the apology.


37 posted on 07/05/2009 4:53:34 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: HerrBlucher
I get cut off on my motorcycle all the time, its routine.

Why do motorcyclists have a problem if a car comes to close but have no problem white-lining between two cars at 70 mph on the interstate or pulling in between two cars with less than a car lengths separation?

38 posted on 07/05/2009 4:57:11 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Red in Blue PA

There is a chance that he did see the motorcyclist, didn’t give a crap, cut him off anyway and nearly killed the guy. In which case he did need to get the crap kicked out of him in spite of his age.


39 posted on 07/05/2009 5:02:07 PM PDT by Newtoidaho (Save America : STOP VOTING DEMOCRAT, IDIOTS!!)
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To: Newtoidaho
There's also a chance that he was upset about the fact that his elderly wife was in the hospital. Have some compassion.

If you are lucky, you may live to be his age.

40 posted on 07/05/2009 5:04:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Why not start testing in the womb? Surely we have the science by now to know who will be a bad driver in the future.

Well, they've been doing a primitive version of this for years now. It's that X-Y chromosome thingy.

41 posted on 07/05/2009 5:19:37 PM PDT by Erasmus (Barack Hussein Obama: America's toast!)
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To: trisham

I remember a Seinfeld routine, where he talks about how the elderly drive. Why don’t old drivers check traffic when they back out of a driveway? Their attitude is, hey I lived to be this old, let’s see if you can.


42 posted on 07/05/2009 5:26:23 PM PDT by Newtoidaho (Save America : STOP VOTING DEMOCRAT, IDIOTS!!)
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To: NonValueAdded
Man! I would have to pull over and collect myself after something like that!

Had a load of logs slide off a logging truck in front of me once and bounce all over the highway like giant pick-up-sticks. Fortunately I had left a big space (a redneck in a logging truck is one of the Four Most Dangerous Moving Objects in the World, the only ones you can still mention are that one and the German with a machine gun). But I had to pull over and just shake quietly for awhile.

43 posted on 07/05/2009 5:33:36 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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