Posted on 07/06/2009 5:18:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Ping!
This is kinda like Florida v. Florida State. Too bad they both can’t lose.
When will our own Great Leader come out in support of the communists?
as soon as he is done with his ice cream.
Looks like the Uyghurs of Chinese Occupied East Turkestan are getting restive. I figured the riots would start in Kashgar with the old city being “redeveloped”.
Dumb question, but I haven’t followed the Uighur situation, of late. What was the tipping point this time?
Good question. Obviously a sequestered part of the world; what’s going on there?
wow - I thought the “city on fire” was a bit of an exaggeration until I saw that last photo.
That photo of people standing around and others lying on the ground (dead?) is very strange. (15th from the bottom)
Due to advances in technology, Chinese gov’t like Iranian, can’t hide what goes on there anymore.
No kidding. That might take care of “accounting errors.”
Thanks.
Easy solution, send all the Uighur rioters to Bermuda!
Wow!
Better Commies than Taliban... I guess.
Is there an ethnic disparity between the cops and the protestors - are the former mostly Han and the latter Uyghurs, Hui etc?
We won't hear or read much about this unless the Uighurs do a Michael Jackson Tribute dance.
Muzis vs. ChiComs = WIN
The government will be Chinese. The protesters are Muslims similar to the Muslims from the ‘stan regions of the former USSR. There have always been problems. The Muslims think everyone conspires against them. They think the Chinese sneak pork into their food. The Chinese aren’t as liberal minded as Europe and the US regarding worship. Eventually, the Chinese will put down the riots. The Chinese do not have to be as stealthy as the rest of the world. They can “bulletize” a few mullahs and no one will say anything.
bttt
China is CINO now. Anyone can start a business there now.
I'm also hearing that the Uyghurs are unhappy over the influx of Han Chinese into their areas, and thing the long term plan is to displace them.
We will see what happens when a regime as ruthless as the ChiComs encounter internal Muslim resistance. The only thing that might lessen their response would be worries about a global Muslim backlash against China in general.
But can you RUN a business without substantial payoffs to various Party members?
China doesn’t care what the rest of the world thinks. The Uyghurs have always been a bit of trouble. The Han move in because they need someplace to go. China feels like everyone just needs to get along. If they don’t get along, it’s the fault of “rogue elements” that will be “purged”. The Uyghurs haven’t been a ton of trouble until now. The LAST thing that China wants is a problem on its western border.
I bet the problem just fixes itself.
According to Wikipedia, the population of Urumqi is 75.3% Han Chinese, 12.8% Uyghurs, 8.0% Hui and 2.3% Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. So looks like the Chinese ethic cleansing is working there.
You can now. Party members aren’t as plentiful anymore. Party membership gives you the ability to break the rules that everyone else has to follow. But several Party members have been shot recently for taking bribes that resulted in the death of citizens. That hurts recruitment.
I just read a series of books on food in China. Opening a restaurant is simply a matter of money now. Inspections are checked by bribes. Competition is fierce. Famous foreigners get better treatment than party officials. It’s is almost a libertarian environment. Kinda strange really.
Simultaneous fires atop three high-rises takes quite a bit of coordination. Air-drops? Are we seeing government retaliation against the populace?
“Why would folks torch their own homes?” Muzzies! They burn their fellow countrymen’s homes for the same reason mooselimbs slaughter fellow mooselimbs with suicide bombings when trying to foment chaos ... Al Qaeda has been trying to generate a hate backlash against mooselimbs for decades, in the hope that worldwide chaos will pit mooselimbs against ALL infidels. Until Mecca is turned into a glass covered parking lot, they will continue because they are of their father, the father of lies a murderer from the start.
The photo of the man on his back with a head injury,
the only reason to lay like that is because you’re in
handcuffs.
Watts? Philadelphia?
Better solution, rent Gitmo to the chicoms for a billion a day.
Three of the guys are wearing black pants and blue shirts like the cops in other photos.
You're "preaching to the choir". (See my tagline.)
HOWEVER -- You both ignored my real point: multiple, simultaneous fires (at a near-identical stage of development) atop multiple high-rises are indicative of coordination and access that is not likely for an uncontrolled mob. The evidence points to something much more sophisticated than random violence -- as in government action.
I don’t think they are torching their own homes, since this is a xenophobic rampage. Majority of the citizens of that city are Han Chinese, something like 75% or more, I don’t know the exact figure. The angry muslims are targeting innocent Han Chinese civilians. This reminds me of the anti-Chinese riots in Indonesia by muslim mobs looking for a scapegoat for their poor economical lives, so they targeted the richer harder-working chinese. Once muslims see the real reason for their plight, their own religion, they might actually get somewhere.
This is quite different. The Indonesian Malays did not have their land confiscated from under them and handed over to the Chinese, as happened to the Uighurs. Xinjiang (China's name for East Turkistan) is 20% of China's territory, and all of this land has been stolen from Uighurs and put in Chinese hands.
What is it with that guy with the glasses in the upper right corner?...
Additonal link:
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers33/paper3293.html
Paper no. 3293
06-July-2009
“Widespread Violence in Urumqi”
By B. Raman
SNIPPET: “2. Over 1000 Muslims (some estimates put the number at 3000) came out into the streets in different parts of the city and attacked the security forces, Han passers-by and shops owned by Hans.”
SNIPPET: “6. There has been a recrudescence of jihadi violence in Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and the Xinjiang provice of China since the beginning of this year. While local grievances of the Uighurs are believed to be responsible for the fresh wave of unrest in Xinjiang, the revival of pro-Taliban activities in Uzbekistan and Kyrgystan has come in the wake of attempts by the US to find alternate routes for the movement of logistic supplies to their troops in Afghanistan through Russia and the Central Asian Republics. Following frequent attacks by the Pakistani Taliban on convoys carrying logistic supplies passing through the Pashtun areas, the US has embarked on an exercise to find alternate routes.
7. Reliable sources say that Al Qaeda has been encouraging the Uzbeks, the Uighurs and the Chechens to unite to foil this US exercise and to target the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation’s joint operations against terrorism.”
Note: The following text is a quote:
https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=104462
YOU ARE HERE: Home > Reports > Consular Affairs Bulletins > Report
Warden Message: Urumqi (China) Unrest
CONSULAR AFFAIRS BULLETINS
East Asia / Pacific - China
6 Jul 2009
U.S. Embassy Beijing released the following Warden Message on July 6:
This Warden Message is to inform Americans of reports of unrest in Urumqi, the capital city of Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region, and to advise Americans to carefully consider their travel plans to this area.
The Embassy has received first-hand reports from American citizens in Urumqi about violent clashes and heavy police presence throughout the city. U.S. and official Chinese media are also reporting incidents of violence.
While there are no indications that this violence is directed at U.S. citizens, the Embassy advises Americans in Xinjiang and especially in Urumqi to avoid areas where demonstrations and large gatherings are taking place. U.S. citizens in Urumqi should remain indoors and avoid unnecessary movement within the city.
Americans with travel plans to Xinjiang are advised to defer travel at this time.
For the latest security information, Americans living and traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department’s Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet web site at http://travel.state.gov, where the current Worldwide Caution, Public Announcements, and Travel Warnings can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the U.S. or Canada, or, for callers outside the U.S. and Canada, a regular toll line at 1-317-472-2328. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).
The U.S. Embassy can be reached 24 hours per day at 86-10-8531-3000. The addresses and telephone contact information for the American Citizen Services offices at the U.S. Embassy and U.S. Consulates are at the bottom of this announcement.
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“They think the Chinese sneak pork into their food.”
Well, considering the Chinese snuck poison into my dog’s food and chemicals and lead into my kid’s toys, such a beilef may well be spot on.
Every photo has to have its designated nerd?
Look at the evidence: Ever see three fires start simultaneously atop (at least) three high-rises?
Some (cell phone?) coordinated force (Uighur terorist group?) -- or some force with aerial access (government aircraft) is acting under the cover of the mob action.
There is something beyond PO'd (Muzzy) crowds at work there...
You have to remember, the Chinese don’t give a rip if the Muslims don’t eat pork. If there is pork in the ingredients, the Muslims need to happy they have food in the eyes of the Chinese. The Chinese view the Muslim phobia about pork as ungratefulness considering the Chinese remember when they were lucky to get a meat once a month and God only know what it was. Even vegeterian chinese won’t complain if meat is in the pot.
The Chinese view the whole pork thing as an opportunity for the Muslims to get over themselves. If you don’t want pork, don’t order pork. But STFU about the soup.
“If you don’t want pork, don’t order pork. But STFU about the soup.”
This bit here reminds me of my house.
So this cultural/religous divide is about as profound as can be? Getting colonized would really suck.
>>>Every photo has to have its designated nerd?<<
No, that’s not it, he seems hard, angry, agressive, like he is about to yell.
Actually, it looks to me like he's trying to smile, but can't quite manage something that looks photogenic.
Why do you insult people that agree with you? If you thought for more than 1 sec, you would have understood that I didn’t reply only to you. You have an attitude problem.
Also government working with the rioters...wow, now I have heard everything, what’s next? UN Helicopters? Yes, it was coordinated by the rioters, but anything else is speculation, in your case, pretty wild.
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