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Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies
foxnews.com ^ | 07/06/09 | Staff

Posted on 07/06/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by DFG

Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara has died.

McNamara, 93, died at home in his sleep Monday morning, his wife Diana told The Associated Press. She said he had been in failing health for some time.

Known as a policymaker with a fixation for statistical analysis, McNamara was president of the Ford Motor Co. when President John F. Kennedy asked him to head the Pentagon in 1961.

McNamara worked for seven years as the defense secretary in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, longer than any other person in that post. He headed the war department during the build-up of forces in Vietnam.

He is considered the architect of the concept of "mutual assured destruction," a key feature of the nuclear arms race during the Cold War.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: dod; jfk; lbj; mcnamara; michigan; secdef; whizkids
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1 posted on 07/06/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

The worst Secdef in my lifetime.


2 posted on 07/06/2009 6:23:52 AM PDT by DFG (1 useless man is called a disgrace, 2 are called a law firm, 3 or more are called Congress)
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To: DFG

If half of what I have seen is true then I dont think he is so thrilled with himself now...

Almost singlehandedly responsible for the disaster of the VietNam war


3 posted on 07/06/2009 6:24:50 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: DFG
I have these bricks and regulars around here know whose they were and what we can do with them.

Doggone shame we can't hold his trial now.

4 posted on 07/06/2009 6:25:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DFG

Bad man. Good death.


5 posted on 07/06/2009 6:25:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Too sick for words!)
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To: DFG

I liked him. MSM always harps on his mea culpa book and ignores Dean Rusk’s unwavering support of the Vietnam war during his entire lifetime (Rusk being Secretary of State when McNamara was SecDef).


6 posted on 07/06/2009 6:26:20 AM PDT by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: DFG

This was already posted but with a different title.
I searched for the exact title on the article but found no matches. It would help if people would not change the title.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2286427/posts


7 posted on 07/06/2009 6:26:23 AM PDT by DFG (1 useless man is called a disgrace, 2 are called a law firm, 3 or more are called Congress)
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To: DFG
The worst Secdef in my lifetime.

1. Simon Cameron
2. Robert S. McNamara
3. Donald Rumsfeld

8 posted on 07/06/2009 6:27:51 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: DFG

Long overdue.


9 posted on 07/06/2009 6:29:27 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: DFG

You should read the book “The Reckoning” by David Halberstrom. McNamara may have been President of Ford, but he knew almost nothing about either cars or manufacturing. He held manufacturing people in low regard and resisted investment in factories. At one point, he suggested that factory efficiency could be improved by assembling a car in two halves and then welding them together. Unbelievable, but true. The long decline in US car quality started with him.


10 posted on 07/06/2009 6:35:10 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Lazamataz

NO.

We don’t do that on Free Republic. Ok bud.

When someone dies, we offer thoughts and prayers to their family. Because we have class. and we believe all fall short of the grace of God.

I know that was a very painfull time for the USA. But I am sure Mr McNamara felt the pain, just as Lyndon Johnson did, just as Richard Nixon did. Does anyone doubt that Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon LOVED this country ?. Bob McNamara doesn’t deserve hatred. God rest his soul. He served the United States of America. He was a patriot.


11 posted on 07/06/2009 6:35:24 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin 2012)
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To: DFG

A duplicitous liar who held primary responibility for what happened in Viet Nam. May he RIP, but I doubt he will.


12 posted on 07/06/2009 6:36:31 AM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. God help us.)
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To: Mr. K

Almost singlehandedly responsible for the disaster of the VietNam war


I also put the blame on Johnson. He literally picked targets from the White House. Good Lord.......


13 posted on 07/06/2009 6:36:41 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Mr. K

“Almost singlehandedly responsible for the disaster of the VietNam war”

We have a winner.


14 posted on 07/06/2009 6:38:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Does anyone doubt that Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon LOVED this country ?

You put them both in the SAME SENTENCE???

Nixon yes. But Johnson??? He loved Johnson.

15 posted on 07/06/2009 6:38:37 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I’ll reserve comment. I hope he makes peace with many U.S. soldiers who went before him.


16 posted on 07/06/2009 6:38:41 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why excerpt your own blog? If its that damned important, then (Excerpted. Click here to read more))
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To: DFG

He was neither the “Best nor the Brightest”.


17 posted on 07/06/2009 6:39:25 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Well said.


18 posted on 07/06/2009 6:39:31 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: rbg81
At one point, he suggested that factory efficiency could be improved by assembling a car in two halves and then welding them together. Unbelievable, but true.

The kind of suggestion that can only from from a Harvard MBA.

19 posted on 07/06/2009 6:40:22 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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To: Larry Lucido
No, he won't, he's in a whole other world of trouble with all those dead soldiers.

He told them there were using too many bullets, remember that one?

20 posted on 07/06/2009 6:40:35 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: DFG

The Architect of Defeat in Vietnam.


21 posted on 07/06/2009 6:41:50 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA

You are happy he led the defeat of a war you fought in? Bizzare.


22 posted on 07/06/2009 6:42:39 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Larry Lucido

some of you sound like DU’er talking about Dick Cheney. Maybe I only see the parallel because I didn’t live through the 60s. And my experiance locking horns with some nutty liberals on campus in Athens. Hate is their trademark. But, it is important we hold ourselves to a higher standard.


23 posted on 07/06/2009 6:43:09 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin 2012)
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To: DFG

No tears here.............


24 posted on 07/06/2009 6:43:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Inquiring minds want to know, but American Idol minds could care less...)
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To: DFG

The average IQ of the country just went up a lot.

I wish him no evil, but I don’t give a smelly Obama about his death.


25 posted on 07/06/2009 6:44:11 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Mr. K

Next up Kissinger. Between these two, thousands of our Military died or were maimed for a cause these two helped negate. Their egos trumped lives!


26 posted on 07/06/2009 6:44:36 AM PDT by TCats
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To: DFG

Barry M. Goldwater once said McNamara was the most dishonest man he ever met. Then he changed his mind and said that person was really Richard M. Nixon .


27 posted on 07/06/2009 6:45:04 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: rbg81

Yes, but he had Everett McKinley Dirksen helping him pick the targets!


28 posted on 07/06/2009 6:46:35 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

McNamara was responsible for the deaths of 50,000 young Americans and countless Vietnamese, both North and South......


29 posted on 07/06/2009 6:46:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Inquiring minds want to know, but American Idol minds could care less...)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

McNamara’s 100,000..
Has to be the WORST idea in the annals of American Military History.

Well at least he won’t be going to the same place that the thousands that he helped send to an early end went to.

If there is justice, him and LBJ are battling ‘fires’ now.


30 posted on 07/06/2009 6:47:59 AM PDT by xrmusn
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To: DFG

No loss to the country..


31 posted on 07/06/2009 6:48:08 AM PDT by NCBraveheart (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's Idiot)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Sorry, disagree completely.

Some incompetence and wrongdoing deserves to see the light of day. A man’s death does not exonerate nor, in those extreme situations, should it be reason to in any way excuse or ignore these transgressions.


32 posted on 07/06/2009 6:48:24 AM PDT by TCats
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To: onedoug

ping


33 posted on 07/06/2009 6:48:25 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Does anyone doubt that Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon LOVED this country

******************

Johnson? The man was a socialist. I doubt that he loved this country, yes.

34 posted on 07/06/2009 6:49:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
We don’t do that on Free Republic. Ok bud.

Speak for yourself, hand wringer.

35 posted on 07/06/2009 6:50:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: TChris

Do you think Johnson enjoyed the Viet Nam war ? Again, I didn’t live through the 60s. But as a 23 year old. I could go over to DU and read the same comments about Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and even Reagan.

we are better than this


36 posted on 07/06/2009 6:51:17 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin 2012)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

McNamara is responsible for too many deaths to be mourned. He came up with one of the worst war strategies in human history, a strategy that managed to be both incapable of winning and incapable of losing and thus turned the war into a meat grinder. He might have been a patriot, but the blood on his hands would make even Lady Macbeth cringe.


37 posted on 07/06/2009 6:52:12 AM PDT by discostu (Tommy can you hear me)
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To: DFG
F-111 Bob McNamara...
38 posted on 07/06/2009 6:54:40 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
NO.
We don’t do that on Free Republic. Ok bud.
When someone dies, we offer thoughts and prayers to their family. Because we have class. and we believe all fall short of the grace of God.
I know that was a very painfull time for the USA. But I am sure Mr McNamara felt the pain, just as Lyndon Johnson did, just as Richard Nixon did. Does anyone doubt that Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon LOVED this country ?. Bob McNamara doesn’t deserve hatred. God rest his soul. He served the United States of America. He was a patriot...

Saddam Hussein loved his country, so did Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, and Ho Chi Minh, even Adolph Hitler. It didn't make them "feel pain" ... whether saints or monsters, people need to be judged for their actions despite what is BC (Biblical Correct). I am sorry for Robert S. McNamara's family but I don't grieve his death; he was one of the worst SECDEF's in history...second only to Simon Cameron. His and LBJ's decisions to suspend (limited warfare) instead of carrying on the successful "Rolling Thunder" (which Nixon mirrored in "Linebacker II" to force the N.V.A. regime to the peace table) resulted to stymie a winnable war and cost American lives.

39 posted on 07/06/2009 6:54:45 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: rbg81

Wanna hear something funny? At one time the FAA had a quota hire woman in a very high position who suggested putting odometers on aircraft! True story.


40 posted on 07/06/2009 6:54:58 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
What about the Sixty thousand killed during the Vietnam war? I hold LBJ and Robert McNamara responsible for the fiasco they created by expanding the war from 1963 to 1969.

No, I will not say “God rest his soul”. Please, read up on your history. Many of us here lived through or fought in the Vietnam war and do not need a lecture!

41 posted on 07/06/2009 6:56:40 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Smile you're on Janet's Candid Camera!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
“What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media w as definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!”

General Vo Nguyen Giap in his memoirs

42 posted on 07/06/2009 6:57:39 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: DFG

He and his “Whiz Kid” accountants screwed up the auto business back in the 50’s.


43 posted on 07/06/2009 6:58:04 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: neocon1984

I’m not a vet, but I hate him for what he did to the auto industry, etc., and will be in line with the vets to piss on his grave(aka v.vet.urinal).


44 posted on 07/06/2009 7:01:05 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Perhaps you should just let it go. 23? You have no idea what this guy did nor are you qualified to ‘Correct’ others who do.


45 posted on 07/06/2009 7:01:30 AM PDT by TCats
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To: discostu

Agree.

Good riddance to an arrogant bastard.


46 posted on 07/06/2009 7:01:36 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Do you think Johnson enjoyed the Viet Nam war ?

That isn't what you asked. You're changing the subject.

Your question was whether or not Johnson loved America. I believe Johnson loved Johnson, first and foremost.

I could go over to DU and read the same comments about Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and even Reagan.

Yes, you could. But they're wrong.

The important thing isn't whether or not people say bad things about someone, but whether or not those things are true.

we are better than this

Better than what, exactly? Pointing out the truth?

47 posted on 07/06/2009 7:02:02 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

The war was a disaster. History says that.

But my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ went to the cross for a reason. and I hope Robert McNamara accepted that gift and is with him in heaven.

we are talking about a human being.


48 posted on 07/06/2009 7:02:22 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin 2012)
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To: DFG

Good. I spit on his grave.


49 posted on 07/06/2009 7:03:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: xrmusn
Knew several of the Project 100,000 guys. All were excellent soldiers ~ biggest problem they had was dyslexia.
50 posted on 07/06/2009 7:04:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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