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The truth about Honduras (SPREAD THE WORD)
E-mail | July 5, 2009

Posted on 07/06/2009 1:20:00 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative

Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 4:40 PM

Dear Friends,

This has been a very difficult and yet productive trip. At this point we need your prayers more than ever. Tensions are very high here in the capital of Tegucigalpa. Thankfully, we met some people here with military and police connections that offered to get us to a safe house if need be. Praying that will not be needed, but grateful God gave us that option. Many here think we will need it...

There have been unidentified planes and helicopters in Honduran airspace. The military was able to chase some away, but one helicopter is lost. The airspace over Honduras is closed because Zelaya threatened to come back today. Apparently he is in El Salvador now.

Who knows how long it will take for this drama to play out. We are praying hard to get out by Tuesday and head to Washington with our findings for the congressman who asked us to do a report. On this end we have been asked to assist a group of Honduran government officials get their information into the right hands when and if they leave for DC this week.

We are so incredibly sad that the American people know little about this situation and what they do know are mostly lies. We beg you to pass this email to anyone on your email list and to any government officials you know.

See link below for some more interesting background information:


http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/carlos_alberto_montaner/2009/07/preventing_a_honduran_bloodbat.html?hpid=talkbox1

In the last few weeks before the President was arrested for treason hundreds and hundreds (I have heard everything from 800 to 2000) Venezuelans were granted entrance to this country. We were told that they were given Honduran passports. These are counter-intelligence and military people whose prime job is to organize mobs and create chaos. They have much experience in these things. What Zelaya, Chavez, and the Castro brothers want more than anything is a bloodbath here to intimidate the population into allowing Zelaya back in the country as President.

Chaos is what this President has specialized in the past few months. He has tried to destabilize the country in every way he can. Class struggle is something that this regime really poked and stoked. It is true that Honduras needs to do more for its poor, but at the government level everything was a pinata. Not much assistance ever got to the poor.

This former President is a known narco-trafficker, allowing planes to land at the capital's airport loaded with drugs and cash. Our own government has documentation on this - it has not been released to Congress. Our government is advocating this thug be placed back in power. He broke 18 laws of the country - and by the Honduran constitution some of these laws he broke called for him to cease immediately to be the President of the country.

This was in no way a military coup. The military is not in power. They acted on the orders of their Supreme Court!

The grave mistake the government made here was not arresting the President, but letting him go free! Had they jailed him, the International community could not find fault with the current government. The only reason the government did what they did in whisking him off to freedom was because they had no idea who was in place in Honduras to create chaos. Many of the police and had been paid off by the President and they did not want bloodshed.

The thugs supporting Zelaya, many of them paid rioters brought in from every corner of the poorest of the poor areas are bombing, shooting, throwing grenades, burning things, and trying to scare the people here into giving in and letting Zelaya back.


We have talked to the poor and many of them tell us they prefer to eat only tortillas and salt rather than live under a Chavez puppet. The poor that Zelaya promised to help have received nothing in three and a half years of his presidency. He has bankrupted the country, most of the money that came in for aid is unaccounted for - presumably stolen by Zelaya. He provided NO BUDGET for the country for 2009 nor funding for the upcoming elections. He refused to release the funds putting their November elections in jeopardy.

He did manage to hand over 100 Venezuelan or Chinese tractors to the poor that cannot be maintained or fixed. Magnificent! Even the poor are laughing their heads off over that one.

I saw many poor people at the marches here carrying signs that said THE PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID. They have somehow managed to inform themselves of the issues. That alone amazes me. The masses are waking up. The poor we know here have called Zelaya a crook for the last two years or more. In the beginning I think a lot of them had hope for change. No more.

CNN has been propagating the most ridiculous lies about what is going on here. One of their chief correspondists is married to some high ranking Sandanista - so much for objectivity.

Yesterday a friend in the states sent me an article about how the Honduran Military is a bunch of thugs and torturers. So really, why if the military are such thugs did they not torture Zelaya and take over the country? They were acting on orders of their Supreme Court who ordered them to arrest the treasonous President, a President who in a matter of a few hours was prepared to dissolve the contstitution and throw out the Congress!

All evidence we have says the US government was begging the Honduran Congress to let the President go ahead with his illegal referendum and then when the chaos began the US would back the Hondurans. Really? Like we did with the Iranians when their election was stolen and blood ran in their streets? I understand the Iranian situation is complicated, but it took forever to even condemn their actions of shooting innocent protesters. The Hondurans had zero confidence in the US to back them if bloodshed resulted. All they sought was peace and the legitimate removal of this man from power.

The Honduran people are devastated that the United States has not only abandoned them but actually insists they return a traitor, liar, and theif to power. Justice does not prevail here. Reason does not prevail here. Politics do, and innocent people may die.

In our villages, fifty years ago, the Nicaraguans came in and fought one very evil guerilla battle. Some of our friends there told us of their family members' heads being chopped off and placed on fence posts. Pregnant women's bellies were slashed open so that they and their children died. It is very much feared in our villages that these demonic deeds will happen again.

An army colonel we spoke with yesterday told us that the guerillas are already in place to intimidate the people not to fight. And armies are mobilizing according to the President.


Americans have always stood on the side of the underdog. Honduras has been our ally and friend helping us stand against communism for decades. Now is not the time to abandon them. Stop the politics! Do what is right!

Please help us by passing this information to anyone you know. I am sorry I do not have time to answer each of you individually. But your notes of encouragement have meant the world to us. This is a very scary time. We are holed up in a hotel that is only a block from the Presidential Palace and a place where it is feared will be a lot of violence.

Our mission here is nearly accomplished. One or two more meetings tomorrow with the very highest level officials and then we need to get out of here and head to Washington.

On a positive note we have been introduced to a slew of people that can help us advance the work with the children in Honduras if we survive this mess. We are very encouraged about that. This country will be a whole new nation once this is over and our ideas about working with the youth are being well received. Many are asking to learn more, come and see our work, and help mentor the youth!!!

Please pray for Honduras. Please send this to all your friends. Please bombard Washington with a plea for justice.

Love to all,
[Name withheld for safety's sake]


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: honduras
From an e-mail written by a longtime Christian missionary in Honduras (known personally to members of a sister church down there). Please do your part to counter the 'coup' nonsense that we're being fed by the media and our government!

I know that a lot of this info has already been disseminated on FR, but I thought you might appreciate seeing an account from someone on the "street" there (who seems to have some high-level connections).

Tim

1 posted on 07/06/2009 1:20:01 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Obama has given tacit suppot to Chavez’s attempted Honduran coup.

The Socialist was outsted for ignoring the rule of law.

Obama has withdrawn US military support.


2 posted on 07/06/2009 1:24:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I’ve certainly been telling this to all in my limited circle of influence.

I believe that not only did the Honduran Supreme Court declare him in violation of their Constitution, but their duly elected congress also impeached him, and removed him from office. ALL legal, ALL on the up-and-up, and they all did what they were supposed to do.

Barry Soetoro said the other day that “this sets a terrible precedent”...indeed...


3 posted on 07/06/2009 1:24:35 PM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Link below to CNN’s comment page to send CNN suggestions or complaints:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/

4 posted on 07/06/2009 1:26:36 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

*BUMP*


5 posted on 07/06/2009 1:27:43 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Thank you for the great report.

If Obama screws this up, the next Republican will need to put troops on the ground down there to right the wrong.

If Chavez wants, maybe we can pay him a visit at the same time. His people may be ready about that time frame.

These guys down there are opening a whole can of whup ass extra strength. They may be surprised what the upshot is in the end.


6 posted on 07/06/2009 1:28:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Good luck to Honduras — Looks like they are going to need it.

Our great leader is clearly in cahoots with the dark side as far as supporting freedom goes.
Making nice with all the dictators in the world from Iran to Venezuela, promising to send nearly a billion taxpayer dollars to terrorist leadership in Gaza, presently in Moscow promising to abandon defensive missile capability to make Russia feel better about their ability to destroy us if needed.

Jimmy Carter was a better president. At least he was just only doing it because he was dumb enough to believe his own goofy ideas. Obama on the other hand knows exactly what he is up to and is doing it with full knowledge of what is at stake.

Can anyone image a pro-american president, for example Reagan, siding with a dictator trying to abolish constitutional freedom of his country?


7 posted on 07/06/2009 1:34:16 PM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: LoneStarC
Jimmy Carter was a better president. At least he was just only doing it because he was dumb enough to believe his own goofy ideas. Obama on the other hand knows exactly what he is up to and is doing it with full knowledge of what is at stake.

Carter is still at it, and now he can't claim naivete any more.

8 posted on 07/06/2009 1:37:56 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
These are the LEFTIST TERRORISTS (see "Che" shirts / 'Che' -the biggest terrorist this hemisphere has ever seen) that our U.S. Government is siding with in the 'Battle for Honduras'...

courtesy of the LA TIMES


9 posted on 07/06/2009 1:41:27 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Sorry you poor people in Honduras, but if you expect this Dildo-In-Chief to back your Democracy Forget It!!!


10 posted on 07/06/2009 1:48:10 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I have had reservations, if not suspicions, about the poster of this article.
The good news is I can find no fault whatsoever with this post. I know it to be factual on all levels.

I left Nicaragua as a small child, but now maintain contacts with family in both Nicaragua and Costa Rica, and Honduras is less than a half-hour flight away. Some of my family and friends fought on both sides of the Sandinista-Contra war, and the Macchiavelian plans of militant socialists from Cuba and now Venezuela and Guatemala is hard to understand and accept as a constant parasite on neighboring countries. They are literally as muderously ruthless as muslims in the Middle East. Agitators sent to foment trouble are very good at what they do and very well supported financially and with arms.

I hope this will be a short American (continental) event, but fear it may not be. Zelaya seems determined (or MUST for unknown reasons) to hold on to power like a leech...

11 posted on 07/06/2009 2:07:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: LibFreeUSA
I have always been of the opinion that any "peaceful demonstrator" who must cover his face is probably a) not peaceful, and b) probably a foreign agitator.
Any country with any survival sense whatsoever will shoot first and identify them later.

Sure, simple folk love colorful uniforms, bandanas and hats, but so do the agitators sent to feed their resentment.

12 posted on 07/06/2009 2:12:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Thanks for the photo. I’ve added it to my blog post (link in #1).


13 posted on 07/06/2009 2:14:29 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Publius6961
I have had reservations, if not suspicions, about the poster of this article.

Eh? This doesn't seem to fit with the rest of your post.

14 posted on 07/06/2009 2:21:37 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: LibFreeUSA

You have to remember that Obama is liking the boots of Putin right now, handing our defenses over on a silver platter.


15 posted on 07/06/2009 2:26:34 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Eh? This doesn't seem to fit with the rest of your post.

Note my use of the past perfect.
I may have been wrong. I any case, I agree with you this time.

16 posted on 07/06/2009 2:33:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Protestors in Honduras with signs reading

CNN = Chavez News Network

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPR5xJ5CYT8


17 posted on 07/06/2009 3:42:08 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Publius6961

I wish I was free and able to travel to Honduras and take up arms in defense of freedom.


18 posted on 07/06/2009 3:55:51 PM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Mary Anastasia O’Grady writing for the Wall Street Journal has been my only source of the truth about what’s going on in Honduras.

Her two articles in the past couple weeks have said essentially exactly what this post says.


19 posted on 07/06/2009 4:06:32 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: The Duke
"I wish I was free and able to travel to Honduras and take up arms in defense of freedom."

I'm free and able to, but I'd just make a great big target...

20 posted on 07/06/2009 4:19:27 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Comments from the people of Honduras:

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/honduras-outraged-by-obama-chavez-alliance/

"It's not a new fact to the international media what are Chavez intentions over Central and South America. And we in Honduras don't want that. We don't want to go back to socialism or communism. We still believe very strongly in our democracy and very strongly in our freedom...We should be an example to Central American countries as well as South American countries who have not yet been influenced by Chavez."

"May God bless our small but courageous country. And I hope the international media investigate very deeply. Send your people here and interview people from Congress and Supreme Court. Thank you again for reading our side of the story. We want a democracy, peace, freedom, and a president who doesn't believe he is above the law."

"Many people don't know where Honduras is, but after this, they shall remember that Honduras said no to socialism and communism."

"I'd also like to say that I am shocked by Mr. Obama's comments. Doesn't he know Mr. Zelaya is allied with Chavez? Doesn't he know that Mr. Zelaya wants to do in Honduras what Chavez did in Venezuela, Morales has done in Bolivia, Correa has done in Ecuador, Ortega in Nicaragua, as well as what Castro has done in Cuba?"

Another wrote: "As you already know we are living in a horrible situation in our country and feel very disappointed and frustrated because we don't have the support of the international community."

"How is it possible that other governments support a liar, a corrupt man, a 'Chavez wannabe,' as he is called in some articles, who also has strong links to the drug dealing business?"

"It's amazing. They have made him a martyr. We keep writing and writing and thankfully some people have responded. We now see articles in the Washington Post, Miami Herald, New York Post, Wall Street Journal to name a few, in favor or our actions and understanding it wasn't a coup. And to tell you the truth, they should have done this before! He was out of control."

"I'm asking you, what more can we do? How can we get more people to believe that what we did was the right thing? Have you seen his speeches? Do you notice how incoherent he is? Do you see how he lies? For us it is so obvious, and that is what I wonder... how is it possible that people so well-prepared, so educated like the people in the U.N. and the U.S. government believe him? How come they are now on the same side of Hugo Chavez? Hugo Chavez talking about democracy? It's unbelievable. And it hurts."

"I love Honduras and it hurts to see that we are alone. It hurts because we have witnessed how he has stolen, abused his power and how he has created a huge war between the Hondurans. By paying poor people and promising them false things, he does have their support. He speaks to them about God. It's amazing and sad. And now we see how this people who are badly influenced are vandalizing, destroying businesses when they protest. We had gone to marches, and they are all peaceful."

"We are a poor and small country, but we love our country and we support the Armed Forces as well as the new president."

"We don't want a corrupt puppet of Chavez. What more can we do?"

We could rally around the new govermnemt that wants to promote Democracy in Honduras. What does O do? Denounce the new government and do his best to get the Marxist thug back to Honduras. From Ollie helping the Contras to O and Honduras. . .Watch carefully how this plays out. What's it going to take for our uprising? I think we're getting close. The Second Amendment attack coming may be the tipping point. . .

21 posted on 07/06/2009 7:43:29 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: SandWMan

I’ve read about the Supreme Court and congress involvement in the decision to oust him, but I’ve not seen any thing about impeachment and removal.

Could you please direct me to any news sites addressing the impeachment and removal.

Thanks
Dale


22 posted on 07/06/2009 9:14:08 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: Dale 1

http://www.hondurasthisweek.com/editorial/1186-honduras-united-to-defend-their-constitution-and-democracy

www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/obamas_true_colors_shine_in_ho.html

www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/more_on_the_honduran_military.html

www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff326.htm

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/01/AR2009070103210.html


23 posted on 07/07/2009 8:48:18 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: SandWMan

Well, apparently only one link will work per post, but you can copy and paste the addresses, or just type them in.


24 posted on 07/07/2009 8:53:17 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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