Skip to comments.Hospital won't back Obama birth claim
Posted on 07/06/2009 6:43:08 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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By now it should be obvious that the Kenyan Pretender will never permit the question of his COLB to be clarified.
He’s laying the groundwork to make this go away.
She probably didn't. But she may have flown to Canada to have the baby, with a promise to her parents to give it up for adoption, but then reneged on the bargain that got her back to the Seattle area where she started classes at U of Washington around 6 weeks after the alleged birth date of BHO. She attended the next 3 quarters there, returning to Hawaii about the time BHO Sr left for grad school at Harvard. He didn't return to Hawaii until BHO was about 12, and then not so much to visit BHO Jr as to make some political appearances related to the program which sent him to Hawaii in the first place.
Why Canada? Well a mixed race child, especially one with a black African father and lily white mother, would have been more adoptable and better accepted in Canada in 1961 than in the US, even in Hawaii, where mixed children were common, just not where part of the mix was African or even African American.
“...federal law does not permit us to provide any more details concerning information [about Obama’s birth] without authorization from Mr. Obama,”
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OK clown, so authorize them to show us the proof.
Back when he was growing up it did matter. I believe his mother and grandparents told him they were married to cover. Later he found out they were not. I think that is the whole theme in Dreams of My Father. He tells of finding his birth certificate in the closet or drawer, I think he discovered they were not married, so he began to question who he was and also who Barack Sr. really was. Dreams is the story he concocted based on the lies he was told and the story he wanted to be true.
Once one tells a lie, one has to keep on telling lies. I think that is where he finds himself.
Who is Eligible to Apply for Certified Copies of Vital Records?
A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:
the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
the registrants spouse;
the registrants parent(s);
a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
a legal guardian of the registrant;
a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
a personal representative of the registrants estate;
a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted childs natural or legal parents;
a person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
a person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
a person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.
If you are not able to establish a direct and tangible interest in the record, you are ineligible and will not be issued a certified copy of the record.
Upon request, a letter of verification attesting to the existence of a requested record on file with the Department of Health may be issued. Instructions for applying for letters of verification are included in the next section and immediately follow the set of instructions on applying for certified copies. The same eligibility requirements apply for both ceritified copies and verification letters.
A search of the records on file with the Department of Health will only be conducted to process an application requesting either a certified copy or a letter of verification. If the search establishes that the requested record is not on file, you will be notified that no record has been found. No searches of the records on file with the Department of Health will be conducted prior to or outside of the receipt of an application and payment of fees.
Doesn’t this amount to a claim that an elected official is making? Don’t we deserve the right to validate his claim?
Your post is a non-starter.
How would she have gotten a baby into the country? Even in 1961 you had to have a baby added to your passport in order to travel with them. A woman attempting to bring a baby into the United States, that was not included on her passport would not have been allowed into the country without first getting documentation for the baby.
“The Hospital does not need his approval to say he wasnt born there.”
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No medical person can divulge information on a patient without the requestor having a “need to know” the personal information. This is part of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) rules to protect everyone from having access to anyone elses medical records. Even a doctor can’t access a patient’s records without a justifiable “need to know”.
Even if you call to ask they cannot confirm or deny that he was born there. They can only say “we can’t divulge that information without patient concent or a medical need to know.
Well then. How about babies NOT born in the hospital? If he wasn't, can't they say he wasn't?
The non-starter, friend, is the fact that this lowlife in the oval office will not make this all go away by doing the respectable, adult, responsible thing and producing his BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
This will NEVER go away until he does.
That contrived letter he “proactively” wrote 4 days after the inauguration lavishing praise on the “place of his birth” screams fraud.
What president in history has ever done such a thing?
If I remember correctly, didn’t some official with Hawaii Records Dept say that the certification of live birth that is posted online is legitimate and acceptable as proof of birth?
If so, what some creative Hawaiian freeper needs to do is to submit a “certification of live birth” just like the one Obama posted, only put their name in (and maybe their father’s) but leave his mother’s name. That would make them his half sibling, and eligible to request his BC.
Since someone in the Hawaii dept of records has already said that the certificate posted online was legitimate, how could they refuse a similar document as proof of relationship if they say it is OK as proof of Zero’s citizenship? If they claim the new document is forged, doesn’t that admit the possibility of O’s being forged, too?
Just trying to keep the pot stirred.....
‘This guy’, this affirmative action figure liar-in-chief, is pissing on the defunct Constitutional Republic. He has accomplished in one sweep what no nation could do before him: cancel the sovereignty of we the people. THAT is why democrats will go to Hell for him, they lust for power, nothing else. Besides, he has the crucial bonefides for democrat honor, he successfully worked to protect the killing of born alive infants while a state senator in Illinois. That proved the bankruptcy of his soul to democrat voter satisfaction.
That is fantastic...please distribute widely
Nice try. I will not allow you to invert the moral emphasis of this argument without challenge. A legitimate and moral man who has been elected POTUS would, upon being asked would unhesitatingly provide the credentials that prove his constitutional qualifications to be president of United States.
But since we know that he is probably a lying crypto Marxist demagogue who has unlawfully usurped his way into the White House, and that he is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to armies of lawyers to conceal those facts and counting on credulous obsfucators like you to mislead and pettifog the American people. The truth will out, the reaction will be ugly, and I’m hoping this narcissistic petty tyrant will receive the justice that such a counterfeit deserves.
She went there and he already had a wife. My guess is they were pretty hostile towards her and the “husband” could care less about her. He had probably long forgotten her. My guess is she was pretty freaked out and wanted to get back to the USA.
Yep,and the grandmother who witnessed his birth in Kenya also.Grannies don’t lie.
I doubt it. For one thing it would have given him more "street cred" in "the community", since the vast majority of them fit into that category.
Second, and more importantly, it would have at least made him a citizen at birth regardless of where he was born, under the law as it existed at the time. (or now for that matter). If his parents *were* married and there is some evidence indicating that they were, and he was not born in the US, then he would not have been a citizen at birth, and would not be a citizen at all unless later naturalized. Either way, no one would argue that he could be "natural born". But if his parents were *not* married, he'd have been a citizen at birth regardless of where born, although if not born in the US of at least a US Citizen father, he still might not be "natural born".
He's the only person elected to the Presidency whose parents were not both US Citizens, exceptig of course those who became US Citizens upon the creatoin of the United States.
Chester Arthur was not elected to the Presidency, but rather as VP. Although, his father was not a citizen at the time he was born, at least he did live here permanently and later did become a citizen. Neither of those is true of BHO Sr. Arthur took great pains to ensure that his father's lack of citizenship was not revealed, as indeed it was not, until many years later, when a copy of his father's naturalization record was found. He knew that he wasn't eligible for VP or President, otherwise why conceal the fact of his father's citizenship status at the time of his birth?
The same if true of BHO, why conceal something that doesn't make you ineligible, and is otherwise fairly common, more so today of course than in 1961.
Huh? This is probably to jerk us around even more.
Not in all states.
I would think so, since a search warrant is a form of Court Order. If the SW specifically called for the BC to be seized, or a certified copy of it to be made and then siezed, that would be an order from a court of competant jurisdiction, which is one of the allowed exemptions to only the principal being able to obtain the BC.
But just having a court order served on the Registrar of the State of Hawaii would be simplier.
“Hey, this should be simple. All Obama needs to do is just give the approval. Oooooorrrrr, will he spend another $1M to keep anyone from getting information from the hospital.”
He doesn’t have to pay for it. Soros will. And he will be defiant to the end.
I think it is because of those intervening years. He was told and lived a lie. By the time he discovered the truth, he didn’t want to believe it, so conmtinued the lie.
Illegitimacy doesn’t matter to many NOW, but it mattered in the 60’s, the 70’s and the 80’s. He lived the lie and now he is stuck with it. To admit he lied would damage his credibilty as well as destroy the fascade he has created.
I think there are clues in Dreams of My Father that point to this.
THIS IS ABSURD!!
I'm sick and tired of hearing about our Clown-In-Chief day in and day out.
Where is our John Adams, our Jefferson, our Washington??
So you are saying when he found out he was a bastard it really messed him up?
Nice try. I will not allow you to invert the moral emphasis of this argument without challenge. A legitimate and moral man who has been elected POTUS would, upon being asked, unhesitatingly provide the credentials that prove his constitutional qualifications to be president of United States.
But since we know that he is lying crypto Marxist demagogue who has probably usurped his way into the White House, and is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to armies of lawyers to conceal those facts and he is counting on credulous obsfucators like you to mislead and pettifog the American people into believing that those of us who are defending the constitution are misguided at best and deluded at worst. The truth about this criminal will out, the reaction will be ugly, and I’m hoping this narcissistic petty tyrant will receive the justice that such a counterfeit deserves.
Well, since we haven't seen any records, how do we know that she didn't?
But if BHO Jr was actually born in Canada, then zipping accross the border in a private auto would have been easy. Several folks who lived near the border in those days report that they only checked the "papers" of the driver (and that would have been just a driver's license). August 1961 was well before 9-11-01, and even somewhat before folks started hijacking airliners to Cuba.
I predict that after the Dems pass healthcare and immigratiion reform, Obama will resign because of the birth certificate problem and be remembered as a hero..(sic)
We have all been made fools of at a level unprecedented in history.
You know, this one hits me just the right way.
Muslim men are permitted 4 wives, not sure if there is a max on the number of temps though.
No they did not. She said it "looked like" one of theirs. She did sort of say that her boss was saying it was legitimate, but that was later retracted, since saying it was legitimate is as "illegal" as giving out the "COLB" or a copy of the Long Form BC, which they do say they have on file, without saying what information it contains.
I think there are clues in Dreams of My Father that point to this.
Would it damage BO that much now for him to stand up before all and say, "I'm a bastard"? I think there is more to it than that.
Why doesn't someone pay one of his common ancestors in Kenya a sum of cash to submit a request for the birth certificate? They would be entitled to a copy of it and could release the information that Barack is afraid to.
HOW CAN A BIRTH CERTIFICATE BE LEAKED FROM THAT HAWAII HOSPITAL IF HE HAS NOT BORN THERE TO BEGIN WITH?
Obama v. Obama divorce papers: http://www.plainsradio.com/obama1.html
Soetoro v. Soetoro Divorce papers:
Obamas parents Divorce Decree, Stanley Ann Soetoro, Lolo Soetoro, Child custody, Obama Indonesian, Obama not natural born citizen, Obama born in Kenya?
WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?
Father - "unknown"?
or a known "other" than the one he had the audacity to dream about?
Since O’s mother was just 18 when he was born, she had not lived as an adult ( not minor) citizen for the required amount of time to confer citizenship to her offspring.
She was 17 when she became pregnant.
Used to be, but not any more. Supposedly because of "Identity Theft" issues.
It's becoming obvious that in the quest for "privacy" and to prevent identiy theft, we've created the potential for for people to assume false identities can't be disproven, at least absent the intervention of a court.
Suppose the SCOTUS or someone actually blows the whistle on this fraud, what then? Will they leave in place all the damage he has done, call it all illegal, approve some of it and not other parts? It is a puzzlement. Any ideas by 'informed' citizens, not wishful thinkers?
Thank you. I meant every damn word, and I am checking myself on some OTHER things that i would like to say.
Nope, HIPPA says that they can’t release without the patient’s agreement.
That’s as plausible an explanation as I’ve ever heard. I’d also like to know what those college transcripts say. Probably “foreign exchange student” something.
Occam’s Razor essentially states that the simplest explanation with the fewest assumptions should always be favored. Thus, there are two explanations for the non-disclosure of Barry Soetero’s BC and academic records:
1. The BC/academic record contain innocuous information.
2. The BC/academic record contain damaging information.
I know which explanation I’ve picked.