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The Wasington Times ^ | Tuesday July 7, 2009 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 07/06/2009 7:22:07 PM PDT by Plutarch

Reasons to expect more from her in the future

By Tony Blankley

Tuesday, July 7, 2009

Professional politicians and political journalists don't waste energy on political corpses. They reserve their energy -- positive or negative -- for viable politicians.

Thus, an intriguing part of the Sarah Palin phenomenon is the intensity of response to her every word and move -- from both Republican and Democratic Party professionals and from the conventional media. The negative but sustained passion being expressed by the professional Washington political class against her tends to belie its almost unanimous assertion that she is washed up.

I happened to be on CNN on Friday just as the story was breaking of Mrs. Palin's resignation as governor of Alaska, and for the next hour, I was the only on-air guest -- Republican, Democrat, journalist, politician -- who was not overtly contemptuous and dismissive of Mrs. Palin and her political future. On Sunday, as a panelist on ABC's "This Week," I was similarly situated.

What is it about Mrs. Palin that elicits such furious bipartisan Washington dismissiveness? After all, the polls show her to be tied with Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee for the very early lead in the Republican primary. As an outspoken conservative with about 80 percent favorable rating amongst Republicans and a high-40s percentage favorable plurality among independents, objectively she should be seen as quite competitive nationally (compared to other Republicans, particularly given that Republicans generically are weak, and she has been so viciously targeted by the media).

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1 posted on 07/06/2009 7:22:07 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

BTTT


2 posted on 07/06/2009 7:28:36 PM PDT by yongin
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To: Plutarch

There are too many dolts who “think they know” (not Tony)...A lot on FR, too. Mostly, know-it-all inside the beltline folks...she will be a force. I will vote for her and her running mate or vica versa. Mark your calendars. Find another uniter for the Tea Partiers...find one. Your alternative is another Dole or McCain that the inside the beltline folks will put forth as the next candidate. Dolts.


3 posted on 07/06/2009 7:29:29 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I think her support is underestimated and she is now very underrated


4 posted on 07/06/2009 7:31:13 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Plutarch

Maybe I’m over simplifying this, but...

It seems to me everyone who is conservative in nature (political labels aside) believes Sarah will be a galvanizing influence. All the other people hate her guts and are afraid of her.

Is that too simple?

Go Sarah!


5 posted on 07/06/2009 7:32:33 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 ~ Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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I had to look up what Blankley was talking about with this Agonistes business.

Agonistes

The word Agonistes, found as an epithet following a person's name, means 'the struggler' or 'the combatant'. It is most often an allusion to John Milton's 1671 verse tragedy "Samson Agonistes," which recounts the end of Samson's life, when he is a blind captive of the Philistines (famous line: "Eyeless in Gaza at the mill with slaves"). The struggle that "Samson Agonistes" centers upon is the effort of Samson to renew his faith in God's support.

Probably the most famous post-Miltonic use of Agonistes is by T. S. Eliot, who titled one of his dramas Sweeney Agonistes, where Sweeney, who appeared in several of Eliot's poems, represents the materialistic and shallow modern man. Another well-known example is Garry Wills' 1969 political book Nixon Agonistes, discussing embattled president Richard Nixon. Today, the word occasionally appears in headlines in a similar fashion, e.g., Rumsfeld Agonistes, George W. Agonistes.

Agonistes is also the name of an action figure in the series Tortured Souls, produced by Spawn and made by Clive Barker.

Etymology

Agonistes is a borrowing from Greek (αγωνιστής), where it means "a contestant in the public games". This word is derived from "agon" (αγών) meaning a struggle; contest; assembly (In English, "agon" usually refers to the conflict between the main characters in a work).

Some related words include "agonist" (the usual English form; agonistes preserves the Greek ending), agony (originally referring to mental struggle), and agonize. Also, "protagonist" and "antagonist."

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6 posted on 07/06/2009 7:32:35 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

I’d just like to see Sarah announce her own radio show following Rush’s. Or to see her co-host with Rush.

Talk about a way to build your base with a ready-made audience. Money, control over her own “voice” and a platform-building exercise in listening to the base. Rush doesn’t want to be an elected political entity, why lose the money and influence?

Maybe Sarah can use his groundbreaking for her own call to leadership. Talk Radio seems to be the last bastion for conservatives. They would do well to use it to its fullest capacity for growth.


7 posted on 07/06/2009 7:32:52 PM PDT by JoanVarga (Contain your freakness, folks)
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To: Plutarch
The RNC as usual FAILED....failed to mentor and protect her, failed to help her financially, politically, and failed to defend her family.

They stood shaking in their boots, afraid and immobilized while the entire family was brutalized for 9 months straight.

8 posted on 07/06/2009 7:36:32 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: Plutarch

Hunter/DeMint 2012.


9 posted on 07/06/2009 7:36:48 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: roses of sharon

Amen.


10 posted on 07/06/2009 7:37:12 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Plutarch
It became my grim duty to remind my interlocutors -- in case they had not noticed -- that all the cable news shows were dropping their programming to switch to wall-to-wall coverage of the Palin announcement and that we were, at that moment, telling a national audience that the story we were discussing was being buried.

LOL -- great point.

Woe to the establishment elites, for the ground is shifting beneath their feet! When Sarah Palin is on the scene, their conventional wisdom is worth bupkis. Maybe that's what scares them: she brings with her a whole new physics that they can't understand.

11 posted on 07/06/2009 7:38:52 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: NeoCaveman

check out post 8


12 posted on 07/06/2009 7:39:43 PM PDT by tioga
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To: PhiKapMom; rintense; STARWISE; SoCalPol

Interesting....


13 posted on 07/06/2009 7:44:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: roses of sharon
The RNC as usual FAILED....failed to mentor and protect her, failed to help her financially, politically, and failed to defend her family.

They stood shaking in their boots, afraid and immobilized while the entire family was brutalized for 9 months straight.


Right on "roses of sharon." One of the best comments yet! Amen!!


Kiss the RNC Farewell Sarah
Go Sarah Go!

14 posted on 07/06/2009 7:45:42 PM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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To: roses of sharon
The RNC as usual FAILED....failed to mentor and protect her, failed to help her financially, politically, and failed to defend her family.

Oh yeah?! You can see the RNC, and our man of Steele, rising up to Palin's defense right here .

(Maybe if you scroll through enough pages you can find something).

15 posted on 07/06/2009 7:45:54 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: CincyRichieRich

Sarah reading the TEAleaves!

16 posted on 07/06/2009 7:47:27 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Plutarch

Tied with Huckabee? If that’s true, the GOP is in more trouble than it knows. Huckabee - talk about weak.


17 posted on 07/06/2009 7:48:34 PM PDT by ponygirl (Palin's detractors will deride her all day and then fantasize about her all night.)
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To: Plutarch

Yep, they may as well run Bob Dole again in 2012. We’re going to get the same result anyway.


18 posted on 07/06/2009 7:49:39 PM PDT by ponygirl (Palin's detractors will deride her all day and then fantasize about her all night.)
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To: Yardstick
>>Maybe that's what scares them: she brings with her a whole new physics that they can't understand. <<

That is the crux of it. We may be witnessing for the first time a compact between a potential candidate and the people based on truth. A refreshing event indeed.

19 posted on 07/06/2009 7:50:36 PM PDT by afnamvet (I see stupid people.)
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To: Plutarch
Well, I'm not so sure being an incumbent is an advantage if the world seems to be going to hell and government is seen to be at least part of the cause for that journey.

Another good point.

20 posted on 07/06/2009 7:51:18 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: roses of sharon

The RNC wasn’t “shaking in their boots”, afraid to respond.

They were passively endorsing the actions of the left.

The GOP elite dislike Palin as much as the Democrats do.

They can’t stand her - because they can’t control her!

And by “they”, I mean the GOP, the DNC and the media.


21 posted on 07/06/2009 7:56:25 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: Plutarch

The handwringers need to maybe just give up wondering the “why”of Sarah’s huge popularity (and how to dissuade it,) and just focus on the “is”of it. Because she “is.”


22 posted on 07/06/2009 7:57:53 PM PDT by Miss Behave (OMG, my tagline is stalking me.)
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To: Plutarch
Not surprisingly, Tony gets it.
If I knew nothing about politics and Sarah Palin, I'd root for her just because she's being incessantly attacked by all the hysterical media types from both sides. Hope she doesn't blow it.

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23 posted on 07/06/2009 7:59:07 PM PDT by arbooz ("Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man." H.L.Mencken)
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To: SoCalPol

Add Tony Blankley to the list. I’d forgotten that he worked for both Reagan and Newt....another experience good guy to have in her corner.

hmmm Sarah’s “Contract with America”


24 posted on 07/06/2009 7:59:34 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I THINK BOTH PARTIES DID HER WRONG AND I BET SHE RUNS INDEPENDENT AND WINS!


25 posted on 07/06/2009 7:59:52 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Reagen dead is doing more for America than zero alive)
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To: hoosiermama; rintense; STARWISE; SoCalPol

His take is very interesting. I think he is right about Sarah and the fact the way both sides of the elitists are acting tells me they know this is the beginning not the end. I think they think they can talk enough and make her go away. Not going to happen.


26 posted on 07/06/2009 8:02:34 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Sarah for President 2012)
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To: airborne

Concur 100% — she scares the elitist from both sides but did Reagan after he was only a movie actor and they seemed to forget he was Governor of California. Movie actor — who would want someone like that?

I remember it all too well and even after the nomination, the same crap kept floating around about Reagan.

That same good old boy network endorsed Crist over Rubio and hates Tom Coburn. I say it is time for the grassroots to take back the party. The Republican National Committee is made up of the State GOP Chair, a national committee man and woman from each state. We are lucky in OK to have good people that represent us but in most states it is elitist who hold those positions. Time to change that and make the RNC responsive to the grassroots instead of the power brokers in DC who determine who gets the money.

Don’t know if any of you have been involved in any campaigns where the RNC sends out their college kids to tell the campaign and the workers what to do, but it makes you want to not work in any campaign where those college kids are working. Talk about arrogant — a lot come from east coast families that and they are in states in Middle America telling people who live there what will work.

I got turned off by RNC in a special State Senate race here in OK by RNC sending out ‘experts’ who were in their early 20’s into a rural environment. What a waste.


27 posted on 07/06/2009 8:11:24 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Sarah for President 2012)
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To: roses of sharon

Excellent summation - There was no evidence that the RNC ever wanted to win the last election. Sarah was treated very badly by a bunch of spoiled little boys who were jealous of all the positive attention she got.

Like you said on your profile page, “Democrats have spent the last eight years blackmailing the country: give us power or we will destroy America.” I would say, “Give us power AND we will destroy America.” That’s been the intent for many years now. It won’t change in the years to come. Why doesn’t the Repub leadership get it? There isn’t an ounce of testosterone among the lot of them.


28 posted on 07/06/2009 8:15:49 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: PhiKapMom

Yes .. and I’m just thinking .. in light of
his remarking on what we’re all seeing:

an initial reaction from 95% of the glitterati
that was mocking, cynical, derisive, churlish,
unless it was vitriolic, biting and despicable.

And I’m sitting here thinking:

what will they say about this time .. their
faulty logic ... when they drone on about it
next year,

when she could well be a mega galvanizing, heavy
duty campaigning, money raising author, speaker,
and undeniable force, once again attracting tens
of thousands of people to her every public event,
hungry for her conservative principles and her
courage in refusing to let anyone else decide her
path ?

What will they be saying then ?

They won’t even apologize or comment about what
they’re saying today.

It’s always onto the next current thing .. and
it will always be thus with them. They’re just
frail and flawed humans as we all are, only the
words they use to fill column space and airtime
affect and can twist public opinion.

And in some instances, they’re paid to do just that.


29 posted on 07/06/2009 8:19:29 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I think her support is underestimated and she is now very underrated

Don't listen to the hype.

The enemy doesn't underestimate Sarah Palin at ALL. They rate her very highly. So highly, in fact, that she has weathered more flak attacks from them than almost any politician on the national stage, but George Bush.

Those who are slaves of the status quo, or who are sworn enemies of the concept of our constitutional republic, are determined to destroy her. She is Joan of Arc, come in a red, white, and blue F-22 Raptor to demolish them, and they know this.

The negative comments you're hearing about Sarah Palin are just the death shrieks of a pathogen which has infected the body politic.

30 posted on 07/06/2009 8:20:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: airborne
Sure, the RNC/GOP have their share of bigots (especially the rightwing NYC press), but imo, most Republicans are simply afraid of the MSM/DNC/Hollywood/Academia machine.

They fear them more than us.

This. Must. Change.

31 posted on 07/06/2009 8:21:01 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: upchuck
It seems to me everyone who is conservative in nature (political labels aside) believes Sarah will be a galvanizing influence. All the other people hate her guts and are afraid of her.

Is that too simple?

Nope. Dead on the money, in fact.

Simplicity = Truth

Complexity = Untruth

32 posted on 07/06/2009 8:21:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: STARWISE

Very well said. The people that will remember their snarky comments will be all of us.


33 posted on 07/06/2009 8:22:44 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Sarah for President 2012)
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To: JoanVarga
I’d just like to see Sarah announce her own radio show following Rush’s. Or to see her co-host with Rush.

A lot of people have been wondering if she'll do that, myself included.

Rush takes enough time off during the summer, that Sarah could easily step in and sub for him. That would be the right gradient for her to get her feet wet with live radio.

You can bet that the EIB Network has already brain-stormed on this very possibility, and may already be in talks with her. Could this be the "big thing" that Rush was "up half the night working on" last week?

All I have to say, is that the Arbitron ratings for that show would go through the freaking roof.

34 posted on 07/06/2009 8:28:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: PhiKapMom

“For instance, as the story was breaking Friday, fellow panelists were pointing out, on the air, how stupid Mrs. Palin was to put forward her big story on a late Friday afternoon before a three-day holiday weekend. Everyone “knows” one buries a story that way.”

~~~

That sure worked out ..... /s


35 posted on 07/06/2009 8:29:29 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Plutarch

They don’t take her seriously because they don’t take conservatives seriously.
Not at the moment, anyway...


36 posted on 07/06/2009 8:31:54 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Facetiously.)
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To: PhiKapMom
We need to start working on some things before the 2010 primaries.

First of all, we need to do away with all “open primaries” and only allow only registered Republicans to vote in Republican primaries. New registrations are acceptable 30 days before a primary, but anyone transferring from another party must do so 90 days prior to being eligible to vote in a Republican primary.

Also, we need to work towards some kind of agreement on term limits. Since a Senator's term is 6 years, I think 2 terms (12 years total) is enough. And Representatives serve 2 year terms, so they should be allowed 4 terms (8 years total). Each would have to wait at least one election cycle before being eligible again.

And the whole system where primaries are spread out over such a long amount of time is impractical and inefficient. It should be arranged in regional sections, so all candidates, even cash strapped ones, have a chance. The way it is now, it's not always the best person who wins, it's the one with the most money. Or in McCain's case, the one left standing after the media interferes with the process by attacking those candidates it doesn't like.

I'm not going to get my hopes up yet, but I can imagine a scenario where Palin campaigns across the country, raising money and supporting a few good conservatives in some close races, tipping the scales in 2010 to take back the Senate and House. And that sets her up as the front runner in 2012, with 0bama continuing to destroy the economy, a massive Republican sweep in 2012! Just some wishful thinking...

37 posted on 07/06/2009 8:33:00 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: roses of sharon
The RNC as usual FAILED....failed to mentor and protect her, failed to help her financially, politically, and failed to defend her family.

They stood shaking in their boots, afraid and immobilized while the entire family was brutalized for 9 months straight.

What a terrible, and devastating indictment. And totally true.

Every conservative needs to stop for a moment and look at what you've just said. I mean really look. Look at the Republican party's dereliction of duty.

The Republican party has a duty to protect and defend the one person who is arguably the standard bearer for the future of conservatism, and they failed to do so in every way.

Shameful, worthless posers.

38 posted on 07/06/2009 8:36:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
The RNC as usual FAILED....failed to mentor and protect her, failed to help her financially, politically, and failed to defend her family. They stood shaking in their boots, afraid and immobilized while the entire family was brutalized for 9 months straight.

Not only that...the RNC is/has participated in the pile-on...

39 posted on 07/06/2009 8:38:57 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: Sioux-san
Republican leadership get it alright, but they do not believe they can do anything about it, and are afraid to lose their jobs if they do.

They believe that most Americans WANT big government, and are not willing to teach and lead those Americans away from the precipice of tyranny and towards liberty.

We need to infuse DC with young men and women who are not so cynical and weary.

From Lucianne.com today:

It is not actual suffering, but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Eric Hoffer

(btw, you reminded me of the election night rant on my homepage, it needs an edit badly, lol....I was so mad!)

40 posted on 07/06/2009 8:40:20 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: airborne

I agree with you 100%.

Oklahoma was taken to court about our closed primary system and it was ruled in our favor to keep the closed primary by SCOTUS. If you change registration here for the primary, you cannot change it back until the general election. They close registration here so many days before the election.

Not people here change in case there is a runoff election. You have to get 50% of the vote or you are in a run-off.

Think that we should change the Iowa/NH as being first since neither state is reliably Republican. I detest caucus which we defeated going back to at our State Convention by about 8-1 margin.

We are an early voting state, 1st Tuesday in Feb, and it was already decided by the time we voted for the most part. I am sick of Iowa, NH, MI, and SC determining our candidate and this time FL moved up against the rules to vote early to cinch it for McCain.

I agree with you that we need to do something about open primaries where someone can come in that day and register to vote in a GOP primary or like in 2000 when the Dems changed to caucus so in some states they could crossover vote in our primary.

It gets really frustrating that it becomes a money race. An individual could only donate $2200 but a candidate could self finance — something about that is not right either when they can spend millions against someone raising $2200 a person.


41 posted on 07/06/2009 8:44:02 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Sarah for President 2012)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
It's more than that, it's also the GOB-GOP. We've even had freepers spew the line...She belongs home with her family.....Sarah has always been “with her family”, they join her. She and Todd ARE parents.

My mother and father worked together as a team. We went to work with them...wonderful childhood and I was extremely close to both of my parents.

Sarah and Todd/ mom and dad all know what being a team member is all about...Good environment for kids...They learn it is important for ALL to contribute.

42 posted on 07/06/2009 8:50:54 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Niteflyr
Not only that...the RNC is/has participated in the pile-on...

It's become even clearer in the last couple of days, that Sarah Palin represents The People - not any organized party. Her values are timeless American values, which are shared by the majority of ordinary people in this country.

Sarah struck a nerve with the people during the campaign. She reached a deep, and primal understanding of basic American principles among us. She has tapped into the strongest, most illustrious of core values of our people, and she does so without effort, or even thinking, because it's as instinctive with her, as it is with most of us.

And this is why she will triumph in the end. She speaks the truth of America to us all.

43 posted on 07/06/2009 8:55:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Plutarch
For instance, as the story was breaking Friday, fellow panelists were pointing out, on the air, how stupid Mrs. Palin was to put forward her big story on a late Friday afternoon before a three-day holiday weekend. Everyone "knows" one buries a story that way. It became my grim duty to remind my interlocutors -- in case they had not noticed -- that all the cable news shows were dropping their programming to switch to wall-to-wall coverage of the Palin announcement and that we were, at that moment, telling a national audience that the story we were discussing was being buried. The story persisted and expanded over the weekend, and my guess would be that if any political topic came up at America's millions of Fourth of July backyard barbecue parties -- it probably was about Sarah Palin. So, who's the fool? [emphasis added]

I love irony! Tony, I am sorry I missed you making that point. I'll bet it sailed right over their heads.

44 posted on 07/06/2009 8:58:06 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I've conquered my goddam willpower." Don Marquis)
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To: Windflier
Thought you might appreciate a bit about Eric Hoffer (an author and philosopher, given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Ronald Reagan).

Hoffer took solace in being an outcast, believing that the outcasts have always been the pioneers of society. He did not consider himself an “intellectual”, and scorned the term as descriptive of the allegedly anti-American academics of the West. He believed academics craved power but were denied it in the democratic countries of the West (though not in totalitarian countries, which Hoffer understood to be an intellectual’s dream).

45 posted on 07/06/2009 9:03:01 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: roses of sharon
Eric Hoffer (an author and philosopher, given the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Ronald Reagan).

He sounds like an interesting fellow. Ronaldus Magnus certainly thought so.

46 posted on 07/06/2009 9:18:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Plutarch
I am still looking for a single voter who will say they supported her until she made the move to resign. Over and over I hear them on the talk shows spewing the ‘quitter’ spin but when confronted by the host admitting they were not sold on her to start with. I have yet to hear a single caller say he or she had been a solid supporter but this had cost her their support. Quite the opposite, every dyed-in-the-wool, rabid, solid SarahCuda supporter says it was very much to their liking!

Put me in that category. As one who delights in seeing liberal heads explode, messy but delightfully enjoyable, she has has deal them the political equivalent of a wooden crucifix, draped in garlic and sharpened on the bottom to facilitate driving it through the vampire's heart!

I don't like feeling glee at the misfortune of others, but darned if I don't feel better today than I have in a lot of days since the election!

47 posted on 07/06/2009 9:37:15 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Plutarch

bump


48 posted on 07/06/2009 10:48:25 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The difference between Lincoln and Obama: Lincoln freed slaves. Obama is out to make them.)
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To: airborne

I’ve been saying this for some time (most of your proposals.)

There is an issue and that is states make the law with regard to the primaries BUT the credentials committees can hold the states to the fire by failing to certify their primaries as valid. Thus, you have to balance reform with realism and the fact that many state parties will find ways to revolt over measures deemed too drastic.

However, in our favor is the fact that Iowa and NH are both not representative of typical conservative/libertarian values. For one, I can tell you from my own experience at the Caucus that the foolish “Christians first!” people got behind Huckabee (who had no chance at being President) and the softer Republicans endorsed that reptile Romney. Thompson, Paul, Giuliani etc had no shot (not that I’m a fan of Giuliani but still.)

Also, after a few ‘defeats’ good candidates are driven out of the process. Thompson is someone who was picking up some steam but after not ‘placing well’ in Iowa of all places and after having Huckabee draw away those fooled by his rhetoric—that was it. I think the regional primary plan would work best for the Republicans, as huge blocks of states would be forced to consider their own elections and desires and not just wait to see what happens in the states of Iowa and NH or one or two others.

-No open primaries (you’ll probably have to fight in each state but the best way around this is to move up the primaries of other states and remove the effectiveness of IA and NH in shaping the overall campaign.)

-Regional (touched on) primary sections

-End the winner take-all system in the party. Right now, someone with a plurality of votes with a divided base vote (like Huckabee and Romney and Thompson all splitting ‘the base’) leaves it open for a McCain. I like the idea of someone having a lot of delegates to swing to the best candidate as the race goes on, not just having someone like McCain take all the delegates in the state for barely winning.

On a national level, we’ve invested too much in the antimajoritarian view of the Electoral College, but that was itself a compromise and balancing of interests. I think as a nation we’d be a hell of a lot better off with:

Proportional Electoral votes. Nebraska has this. Here’s the value to conservatives. Look at a map of the country. Assuming population still matters, at least now you can get some votes in California. Does it reduce the importance of the smaller states? Maybe. But is a Republican going to win Connecticut generally? Not typically. But, now the Republican or right-leaning independents have a say. And so do Democrats in red states. Overall, I’d venture a guess that with much of California ‘red enough’ that Democrats couldn’t win if we went with proportional EC reforms.

Now, obviously, they know this and would fight that type of reform, GENERALLY but they’re also the ones talking about changing the EC.


49 posted on 07/06/2009 11:12:12 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Plutarch

The reason there is so much anti-Palin feeling among the “powers that be,” regardless of what party they belong to, is that Sarah Palin is the most potent anti-elitist to come along in decades. She turns out huge crowds that rally against the media and the beltway types. She has the power to turn the insiders out, they know it, and they’re scared.


50 posted on 07/07/2009 3:23:57 AM PDT by AdaGray (uw)
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