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Police chief denounces 'cowardly' iPhone users monitoring speed traps [DC angry about lost $]
Washington Examiner ^

Posted on 07/07/2009 10:00:19 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com

Area drivers looking to outwit police speed traps and traffic cameras are using an iPhone application and other global positioning system devices that pinpoint the location of the cameras.

That has irked D.C. police chief Cathy Lanier, who promised her officers would pick up their game to counteract the devices, which can also help drivers dodge sobriety checkpoints.

"I think that's the whole point of this program," she told The Examiner. "It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives."

The new technology streams to i-Phones and global positioning system devices, sounding off an alarm as drivers approach speed or red-light cameras.

Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic" and "people who overly rely on those and break the law anyway are going to get caught" in one way or another.

The greater D.C. area has 290 red-light and speed cameras -- comprising nearly 10 percent of all traffic cameras in the U.S., according to estimates by a camera-tracking database called the POI Factory.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; dc; donutwatch; iphone; jackbootedthug; leo; lping; policechief; policestate; revenuetickets; speedtraps; totaxandserve
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1 posted on 07/07/2009 10:00:19 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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To: RatherBiased.com

“law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives.” “

Not when it comes to speed enforcement. At least in my town, it’s a revenue stream. Period.


2 posted on 07/07/2009 10:01:39 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: RatherBiased.com
...law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives.

Bull.

It's law enforcement designed specifically to increase revenue.

Just another dishonest, self-serving cop. Nothing to see here.
3 posted on 07/07/2009 10:02:46 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

> Lanier said the technology is a “cowardly tactic”

...whereas speed cameras and random breathalyzer checkpoints are courageous police work, ay.


4 posted on 07/07/2009 10:02:59 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

I wonder if the police chief had an option that saved lives but cost her money, would she choose it? Maybe a little device that warned drivers when they’re approaching an intersection that was dangerous so that they slowed down? Oh wait....


5 posted on 07/07/2009 10:03:24 AM PDT by MarineBrat (The New York Times is a Communist Kamikaze.)
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To: elkfersupper

I thought you would find this interesting.....


6 posted on 07/07/2009 10:03:31 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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To: RatherBiased.com

How am I going to pay for my retirement? I will need to work to 65 instead of retiring at 50.


7 posted on 07/07/2009 10:04:00 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: RatherBiased.com

8 posted on 07/07/2009 10:04:04 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: RatherBiased.com

Excellent! I might have to get an iPhone after all... ;-)


9 posted on 07/07/2009 10:04:21 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: RatherBiased.com
"It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives supplement our Rec(Dep)ession depleted Tax Base."

This is what she really meant.

10 posted on 07/07/2009 10:04:35 AM PDT by TCats
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To: RatherBiased.com

Revenue agents ...not about safety


11 posted on 07/07/2009 10:04:57 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic"...

I'm going to need some explanation on this one. Cowardly HOW?

It strikes me as being the opposite of cowardice to work against a totalitarian government and its police force.

12 posted on 07/07/2009 10:05:15 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: RatherBiased.com; Swordmaker

Hmm... maybe an iPhone won’t be so bad.

What are more apps like this to make everyday life easier, Sword?


13 posted on 07/07/2009 10:05:35 AM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
The greater D.C. area has 290 red-light and speed cameras -- comprising nearly 10 percent of all traffic cameras in the U.S., according to estimates by a camera-tracking database called the POI Factory.

Just for the serfs I'm sure. CongressCreatures, High-level Obama Admin Mandarins, and SCOTUS types need not worry.

14 posted on 07/07/2009 10:06:11 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: RatherBiased.com

Just wait until someone figures out how to connect an iPhone to a radar detector. Call it Bear Tweets or some such.

Now there’s a million dollar idea right there...


15 posted on 07/07/2009 10:06:23 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Stop the change - I want to get off!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

I’m really sorry that I’m not in the DC area to spraypaint the lenses of the speed cameras. It is simply a revenue raiser, it has NOTHING to do with safety.

Those who are willing to give up their liberties in exchange for the promise of security will not get and will not deserve either.

Here, BTW, is what people in the UK (land of the sheeple) do to their speed cameras (which they call “gatsos”): http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

Of course, I’d never suggest that Americans, armed with 300 million guns, and with access to a myriad of other explosive or burning chemicals, do anything like the English. Nope, I’d never suggest it - but I’d be happy.


16 posted on 07/07/2009 10:06:43 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Slapshot68
Typical hypocrite. I thought those cameras (speed and stop light) were supposed to get folks to drive in a more sane manner, so why, rhetorical question, is the police department mad that the citizens are using their iPhones to do the same? Doh.
17 posted on 07/07/2009 10:06:50 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: RatherBiased.com
While I don't doubt the ‘saving lives’ angle is correct, the main reason these traps exist is to supplement city income. Take away the profit, and I doubt these Police departments would be so gung-ho about their speed cameras and radar traps.
18 posted on 07/07/2009 10:07:30 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic"...

I guess she would prefer the braver approach of shooting out the cameras...

19 posted on 07/07/2009 10:08:05 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Filo

You got that right. My spouse and I call policemen “revenue enhancers”. That is their main function now. But they won’t be getting any more from us. Nope, we creep along like grannies now.


20 posted on 07/07/2009 10:08:56 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: RatherBiased.com

Stop your bitching Lanier, it’s all part of the game.


21 posted on 07/07/2009 10:09:28 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (I knew that Whopper was angry, but I didn't think it would try to kill me!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

So the ap stops people from going through a red light? In a normal world that would be a good thing. This is the stupidest man I have ever read about.


22 posted on 07/07/2009 10:09:42 AM PDT by big bad easter bunny (I live so far beyond my means it could be said we live apart.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

“Area drivers looking to outwit police speed traps and traffic cameras are using an iPhone application and other global positioning system devices that pinpoint the location of the cameras.”

I am not an Apple fan but that is freaking awesome.


23 posted on 07/07/2009 10:09:55 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Typical government bureaucrat response. Things are best when the sheeple passively obey ‘The Authorities’. Unfortunately, your populace will engage in resistance so all I can say lady, is ‘STICK IT’, if you want sheeple go to Zimbabwe (I’d have said Iran a month ago!)


24 posted on 07/07/2009 10:10:27 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: RatherBiased.com; bamahead

ping :)


25 posted on 07/07/2009 10:10:35 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: RatherBiased.com

I love the safety argument, because it’s always bogus.

Case in point: a few years ago, the city of Albuquerque announced it was stepping up patrols of the interstates (25 & 40) in town to “increase safety.”

They were using unmarked cars.


26 posted on 07/07/2009 10:10:35 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Ancesthntr

> Here, BTW, is what people in the UK (land of the sheeple) do to their speed cameras (which they call “gatsos”): http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

Judging from the photos, “Gatso” is the brand name of the speed camera, true?


27 posted on 07/07/2009 10:16:15 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

tehy are lucky I am not in charge!
I say mount lasers on iPhones that can automatically ZAP speed cameras!!!


28 posted on 07/07/2009 10:17:41 AM PDT by Syntyr (If its too loud your too old...)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic" and "people who overly rely on those and break the law anyway are going to get caught" in one way or another.

So citizens are using technology designed for private use to beat technology designed to catch them in speed or red light running. DUH! People have been flashing headlights for years. I remember using a CB radio to expose speed traps too.

I have a note for Chief Lanier: If you want to stop people from running red lights or speeding, park a PD cruiser near that dangerous location - with its bubble gum machine/lights on. I will guarantee you that the motorists will OBEY said traffic control devices.

29 posted on 07/07/2009 10:20:36 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Ignorant SOB. That GPS feature has been on radar detectors for years.


30 posted on 07/07/2009 10:22:11 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Apparently, “Gatso” is one brand name: http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/gatso.htm

But like copiers where all of them are referred to as a Xerox, I think that all of them are referred to as a Gatso.

I find it truly humorous that the cost of the machines is 20,000-40,000 British pounds. Gee, the cost of a few used tires and a couple liters of gasoline (excuse me, PETROL) is considerably less.


31 posted on 07/07/2009 10:22:44 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Filo

Interestingly enough people still have to slow down don’t they.

In Dallas they had Cameras but yanked them out when revenue fell.


32 posted on 07/07/2009 10:23:17 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: RatherBiased.com
people who overly rely on those and break the law anyway are going to get caught" in one way or another.

Sooooooooo....the law-enforcement is actually working, just not in the time frame you want. Have I got that correct, Chief?


33 posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:51 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

well...it sure beats the snot out of chasing down career drug dealers...who like to shoot back....

Besides...its “revenue enhancing” police work...as opposed to police work that burns shoe leather, rubber and bullets...


34 posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:58 AM PDT by mo
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“It’s designed to circumvent law enforcement”

as opposed to lawyers and politicians?


35 posted on 07/07/2009 10:31:01 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (veritas odium parit)
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To: aberaussie; All
Excellent! I might have to get an iPhone after all...

If you already own a GPS unit for your car, there are online sources for the speedtrap/redlight camera locations that work with most units. One I've used is at trapster.com; it allows you to select the areas you travel in. As people upload new info, you get update alert e-mails.

Works like a charm - and the data stays fairly current. You get a little chime noise when approaching a reported site, along with a small text box describing the possible threat. I just leave the GPS on in "map" mode. The first week I used it, I heard the chime and sure enough, there was a motorcycle cop hiding right where it indicated.

As the law enforcement agencies realize they're being out-teched, they'll resort to moving their ambush locations more often.

36 posted on 07/07/2009 10:31:39 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: RatherBiased.com

Freedom lives. But as always, under attack.


37 posted on 07/07/2009 10:34:16 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Waaaaaahhhhhh! Go shut down some crack-houses and make the steets safe to walk at night (or during the day!) and do some REAL policing!


38 posted on 07/07/2009 10:35:02 AM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: SaintDismas

As a patrol officer in a medium-sized community I myself despise “red-light & speed cameras”. We do not have them nor do I foresee us ever getting them. We do red-light & speed enforcement the old fashioned way......in our squad cars.


This affirmative action hired police chief is nothing more than a whiny bureaucrat. These devices are definitely all about the $$$. Here’s a little secret I’ll pass along: Traffic stops aren’t always just about that person speeding or not using their blinker......I’d say 25-30% of our traffic stops always snowball into warrant arrests, drug possession arrests, DUI’s, etc. etc.

Obviously this police bureaucrat has forgotten the benefits of having real officers do traffic stops.......because cameras on poles can’t generate criminal arrests like a real breathing police officer can.


39 posted on 07/07/2009 10:36:14 AM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: RatherBiased.com
What happened to my right to see my accuser and evidence against me? Hmmm, your Honor, this is a picture of a license plate. So apparently this proves the my license plate was speeding or ran a red light. The burden of proof is on the State. Prove without a shadow of doubt that I was driving said car on the day in question and I will gladly pay the fine in question. Otherwise, dismiss the case. In Maryland there is a gang of teenagers that take digital pics of their teacher's plates, blow them up, put them on their own cars and spend Saturday night speeding and running red lights. Makes for a really pissed off teacher the next week!
40 posted on 07/07/2009 10:37:49 AM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

BA WA WA!!!


41 posted on 07/07/2009 10:40:16 AM PDT by kenmcg (THE)
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To: RatherBiased.com
"I think that's the whole point of this program," she told The Examiner. "It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives."

Translation, drivers are slowing down and we aren't getting any money.

If it is designed to get drivers to slow down "to save lives" then it is working, no?

42 posted on 07/07/2009 10:41:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
"It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives generate easy revenue without having to do much."

There, fixed it for him.

43 posted on 07/07/2009 10:41:14 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Charles Martel

How long before the government smartens up and saturates those colaborative systems with fake data?


44 posted on 07/07/2009 10:42:34 AM PDT by tarator
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To: Matthew James

You’d think they’d have their hands full juat monitoring Marior Barry (who was just arrested for stalking a woman).


45 posted on 07/07/2009 10:42:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: All

App for iPhone and other Smartphones: http://www.trapster.com/


46 posted on 07/07/2009 10:43:54 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Gotta be a Democrat.


47 posted on 07/07/2009 10:44:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic" and "people who overly rely on those and break the law anyway are going to get caught" in one way or another

Ahh Freedom

Hmm I would ask chief kathy, if she believes technology is cowardly, why does she use it to cite and arrest others?

48 posted on 07/07/2009 10:46:18 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: tarator

I suppose that could happen but apps like the one I linked to in the previous post apparently have the ability to correct for false information via reports others can submit.

I suppose maybe the “law enforcement” could submit false “false reports” too, but I don’t think they could give such false information to such a degree that it would have a serious impact on the data.

I think they’d have to get a whole task force of people (or computers) to constantly offset all the true reports, which seems like it would be cost prohibitive.


49 posted on 07/07/2009 10:47:00 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Ancesthntr
So the English and Welsh still have some spine to stand up against totalitarian government. Excellent. BTW, a friend extolled the virtues of "Imron" paint for aircraft surfaces. It is said to be almost bulletproof and forms a lovely high gloss finish.
50 posted on 07/07/2009 10:49:33 AM PDT by Myrddin
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