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Big Banks Don't Want California's IOUs
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7-8-2009 | Ryan Knutson

Posted on 07/07/2009 8:14:29 PM PDT by Frantzie

A group of the biggest U.S. banks said they would stop accepting California's IOUs on Friday, adding pressure on the state to close its $26.3 billion annual budget gap.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: bankrupt; california; iou
The IOUs are trading in an aftermarket and no one wants them. They are paying 3.5% interest. I wonder if illegal aliens accept them?
1 posted on 07/07/2009 8:14:29 PM PDT by Frantzie
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2 posted on 07/07/2009 8:18:39 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Frantzie

Well, what about Monopoly money?


3 posted on 07/07/2009 8:18:45 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Frantzie
Here's a really funny line from the WSJ article referenced above:

State Controller John Chiang said that without IOUs, California would run out of cash by July's end.

Shows you the type of real rocket scientist they've got running that stupid state.

4 posted on 07/07/2009 8:21:36 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Frantzie
California Leads Nation to Bond Default Abyss: Kevin Hassett
For muni bond holders, see The Looming Threat of Municipal Bond Defaults and Day of Reckoning for California and Ultimately for All of America
5 posted on 07/07/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by tarpit
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To: Steely Tom

One of the guys posting in the forums of WSJ made the same observation. Just unreal.


6 posted on 07/07/2009 8:32:20 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: tarpit

Why would any sane banker want CA IOU’s after what happened to the Chrysler and GM bond holders?

When CA finally crashes, Obummer, the Fascist, will declare all of that stuff moot for the good of the masses.


7 posted on 07/07/2009 8:33:19 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Mark
Well, what about Monopoly money?

The banks couldn't make change.

8 posted on 07/07/2009 8:34:55 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: Frantzie

California wants the banks to basically loan it money.


9 posted on 07/07/2009 8:35:44 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: Frantzie

Lucky for Kalifornia that 0bama is in charge!

Banks don’t have too much choice in the matter.

Democrats want to destroy our democracy and Republicans are more than willing to stand by and watch it happen.


10 posted on 07/07/2009 8:35:56 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: airborne
Democrats want to destroy our democracy

What they want to destroy is the republic. If California defaults, and is bailed on on the same terms as GM and Chrysler, they are arguably no longer a sovereign state.

11 posted on 07/07/2009 8:42:39 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Frantzie
The IOUs are trading in an aftermarket and no one wants them.

I might be willing to buy about $1000 in face value for 5 cents on the dollar. Even with a round of hefty inflation, they should still be worth a little more than that in a few years.

If the banks did take them, I wonder how the regulators would make them account for them on the books.

12 posted on 07/07/2009 8:44:10 PM PDT by PAR35
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The IOUs are trading in an aftermarket and no one wants them.

Awesome. Credit default swaps on California IOUs, here we come!

13 posted on 07/07/2009 8:45:23 PM PDT by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Frantzie
Those mean old banks have plenty of money. They just want to hurt the little people by keeping it all for themselves.

Obama should take over all the banks, then there would be enough money for everyone!

14 posted on 07/07/2009 8:50:24 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Frantzie

Bank of America apparently accepting them.

Good reason to get out of BofA!


15 posted on 07/07/2009 8:55:43 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: PAR35

Great point about accounting for them on their books. Obvious but I did not think about it. What a joke. They have a bank audit and bank is holding $300 million in IOUs were are uesless.

I mean if anyone thought CA was anywhere near solvency they could have gone back to the bond market as they always had to paper over the problem. I am not sure if the credit market is frozen but I heard it almost is.

Banks are cutting consumer lines of credit unless people have stellar credit.


16 posted on 07/07/2009 9:04:44 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: dalereed

BofA - the bank for illegals. I once had them call me and told them I would never do business with them.


17 posted on 07/07/2009 9:10:52 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Frantzie

Public employee unions, along with the Democrat stooges they put in office, along with stupid left-wing voters, have conspired to ruin a once great state.


18 posted on 07/07/2009 9:41:20 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Steely Tom
"Shows you the type of real rocket scientist they've got running that stupid state."

The same can be said of the Fed as well. Their "porkulus" bill has already done enough damage to our future financial situation, and they are thinking about borrowing more?

It only goes to prove that Libtards never want to give up on "Utopia", even when there's not a dime left to pay for it.

19 posted on 07/07/2009 9:43:16 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Frantzie

Well they should just pass a law requiring banks to take the worthless paper. :)


20 posted on 07/07/2009 9:49:11 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Clock King

Confederate dollars.


21 posted on 07/08/2009 1:54:34 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Frantzie

“Big Banks Don’t Want California’s IOUs”

I believe the old-time phrase is: Not worth a continental.


22 posted on 07/08/2009 5:18:04 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Tzimisce

I read something this morning. The banks are running away from the IOUs because the investment banks or somebody wants to make a market in the IOUs and trade them as securities.

The banks getting stuck with the IOUs know that once they start trading - the IOUs will drop in value and may become worthless.


23 posted on 07/08/2009 7:28:53 AM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Minn

Don’t forget illegal aliens. Endless freebies for illegals.


24 posted on 07/08/2009 7:29:57 AM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Frantzie
Might be fun. Consider these points sent to me by a friend who is an insurance underwriter:

(1)   By issuing the IOU’s, tens of thousands of California companies will be forced to extend further credit terms of 90 days at a 3.75% return.

(2)   California’s credit rating is now a BBB.  The big push, a few months ago, for California to get a “loan” from the Feds, was that it could not afford to borrow money to cover their deficit if their credit rating dropped.

(3)   So, in effect, California is forcing what is likely mostly small business to “lend” them money for 90 days at terms the small businesses would otherwise never accept, and which California cannot get on their own from the banks!

(4)   These same companies have got to pay their suppliers, or they get cut off, and then they are out of business.

(5)   But the question is, are these companies, that are forced to swallow the IOU’s, in a financial position to float that kind of cash on their own?  The alternative is to borrow money, at unfavorable terms, in the hopes that California will actually allow the redemption of the IOU’s on 10/2.  Either way, they are screwed.

(6)   If the amount of business the companies are doing with California is relatively small, then maybe they can suck it up for 90 days.  But what if it is a larger percentage of your business, and your ability to continue as a going concern is dependant on maintaining your biggest customer.  Talk about being forced to make a deal with the devil.

(7)   What do you do if California is your biggest customer?  Now your bank is looking at your balance sheet, and your receivables are way up.  Remember, in the article, the big banks are not going to redeem the IOU’s as payment. So you now have a huge pincher movement. (a) you suddenly have what amounts to a large and uncollectible receivable on your books b) you are going to have to find cash somewhere to continue your business and c) you may have to extend further credit to the State of California, or make a decision to cut them off and reduce the size of your business substantially.

(8)   Now follow me here.  What will this do to the economy in CA??  It does not take an economics major to follow this through.

(9)   First, the revenue stream that the State of California has now will further dry up.  A lot of the businesses will fold up their tents and shut down or leave the state.  When they do, sales tax and business tax revenues dry up. Second, further losses in revenue for the State, without the same amount of reductions in expenditures, will exacerbate the States IOU problem.  Either the State will have to issue more IOU’s and/or will have to extend the redemption date of the present IOU’s.  Remember, the State of California can do anything they want…at least in the short term.  I would be interested in knowing, if CA went to an austerity budget, and only provided essential services, would they be able to balance their budget, or has it gone beyond that already.

(10)Question.  Does Obama’s crack team of financial and economic advisers have a plan for this?  Can they let California continue to slide further, and extend or worsen the overall economic downturn of the National Economy?  Or will they have to come up with a bailout for CA and other states (there are many states in a similar situation. Ca is just the first to have to issue IOU’s).

(11)Remember, the “Stimulus” plan did two things, when you boiled it down to the essence (1) It expanded Federal and State Government and (2) It propped up ailing state and local governments with what is a one time subsidy.  It was designed to help get them through the past and the current fiscal terms (most governments are on a 7/1 to 6/30 fiscal year).

(12)Well it did not work.  So, as unemployment continues to rise Nationwide, and CA leads the way in higher and higher unemployment, what does Obama do?

(13)He is currently trying to rush through two outrageously huge spending bills: (1) Cap and Trade and (2) Health Care.

(14)Cap and Trade squeaked through the house, after very liberal doses of pork were applied to get the last few votes on board.

(15)Will the Obama administration be forced to give up on the Cap and Trade and Health Care, and focus on the various States going bankrupt?  Could this outbreak in CA be the immoveable object that obstructs the finite force of the Obama coalition in Congress? Will the Obama bus run out of gas, and stranded on  the side of the road six months into his term?

Grab some beer and popcorn pull up a seat and watch the trainwreck. It's gonna be spectacular.

25 posted on 07/08/2009 8:09:31 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Frantzie

Even if you could book them at par, you’d need to write them down when the due date came and they didn’t pay off, unless the regulators were directed to cut you some slack. And what is the value of a nonnegotiable instrument which is in default. Even with ‘mark to model’ instead of ‘mark to market’ you’d have a hard time making those look good.


26 posted on 07/08/2009 3:49:54 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

If the paper does not have a maturity date and you cannot redeem it on demand - what is it really worth? Zero?


27 posted on 07/08/2009 6:16:48 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Frantzie

My mistake - it supposedly is redeemable in 90 days. I would not touch em.


28 posted on 07/08/2009 6:18:08 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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