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Seventh Grader Sues School Over Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirt
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Posted on 07/08/2009 8:59:24 AM PDT by micheknows

American Life League

A California mom says her public school administrators violated her daughter's First Amendment rights when they ordered the seventh-grader to take off her pro-life T-shirt.

Anna Amador has gone to court on behalf of her daughter, who she says was ordered by her principal to change her shirt on "National Pro-Life T-Shirt Day." The shirt the girl was wearing displays two graphic pictures of a fetus growing in the womb.

The incident occurred in April 2008 at McSwain Elementary School, a K-8 school in Merced, Calif. Amador alleges in her legal complaint that school Principal Terrie Rohrer, Assistant Principal C.W. Smith and office clerk Martha Hernandez mistreated her daughter and denied the girl her First Amendment rights when they ordered her to leave the

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dresscodes; lawsuit; tshirt

1 posted on 07/08/2009 8:59:24 AM PDT by micheknows
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To: micheknows

Kids backs are not bill boards, issue already settled by courts.


2 posted on 07/08/2009 9:03:53 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: micheknows

No offense, but since when do kids get to make political statements about abortion at school? This kid is being used as a political pawn. Put a solid shirt on the kid, get her back to school and learning, and stop fighting these battles through your kids, you jackball.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 9:04:48 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: org.whodat

Dress code.


4 posted on 07/08/2009 9:05:18 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: karnage

True, the woman in the case is to stupid to understand dress code!!!


5 posted on 07/08/2009 9:09:46 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: micheknows
Read the article folks....seems she may have a point....

"The complaint quotes school district officials saying that they ordered Amador's daughter to remove the shirt because it constituted "inappropriate subject matter" in violation of the school's dress code, which bans clothing with "suggestion of tobacco, drug or alcohol use, sexual promiscuity, profanity, vulgarity, or other inappropriate subject matter."

Amador claims in the legal complaint that other students at the school have been allowed to wear expressive shirts, and she blames the school for “inconsistently applying their Dress Code based upon subjective determinations as to which messages are acceptable and which messages are not.”

6 posted on 07/08/2009 9:10:24 AM PDT by goodnesswins (For lease)
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To: domenad
I agree with you 100%. That was my first thought when I saw the segment on Fox last evening. Parents using their children to promote their views is disgusting.

Stop hiding behind the kid. Let her get an education. The parents should be ashamed. It's beyond the pale.

7 posted on 07/08/2009 9:10:40 AM PDT by Stars&StripesNE
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To: Stars&StripesNE
Stop hiding behind the kid. Let her get an education.

Yep. Parents need to let their kids be kids. Besides political posturing the parents today expect their kids to excell in at least 15 after school activities, win the school science fair and volunteer to at minimum 5 charities.

What happened to the days of sitting in the back yard looking up at the clouds, working on your hot rod Camaro, riding your horse and playing frisbee with the dog?

8 posted on 07/08/2009 9:27:01 AM PDT by tc45a
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To: micheknows

Ridiculous. I am pro-life but to have my kids wear a tee shirt with a baby on it and then a dark block is not something I would do. Uniforms would fix this in a heartbeat. I really wish they would just throw on uniforms for all kids. We don’t have these problems at Catholic School. Oh by the way, kids were pro-abortion tee shirts too...How ridiculous.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 9:31:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: All

If the school district advocates abortion as a viable option through its sex ed curriculum, and the child does have a pro-life view of the world (I know my soon to be 7th grader does), then she has every right to wear a pro-life shirt, as the school opened the door to discussion on the matter.

Now, as to whether having fetus’s emblazoned across the front of the shirt, that is another matter.

Personally, I’d wager the mom is right that the district, or at least different district officials, applies the dress code unevenly and that she has a case there. I’ve seen it multiple times where an administrator/teacher abuses their position to push an agenda, while using it to stifle opposition. Most of the time, it’s the liberals who abuse this trust.


10 posted on 07/08/2009 9:33:59 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: org.whodat

Most school systems only enforce the ‘dress code’ when it applies to someone who does not have the same moral/political viewpoint. Kids should be permitted to wear what they want as long as there isn’t vulgar language or promotes drugs/alcohol.

The problem is many of these teachers have murdered a baby, and are offended.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 9:37:26 AM PDT by kingpins10
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To: Stars&StripesNE

Did it occur to anyone here that this “child” might actually have an opinion of her own? I certainly have been politically aware since about the sixth grade, so it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that this kid actually wore this shirt of her own volition. Sometimes I really think I’m on a liberal board here...you people should be outraged that there is a double standard being applied here. If schools aren’t the place for honest discussions about life changing topics then I don’t know where they should be discussed. And seeing as it was National Pro-Life Shirt day (granted it’s not a nationally sanctioned day), don’t you think it made sense for her to wear it to promote her viewpoint?


12 posted on 07/08/2009 9:40:53 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican
Did it occur to anyone here that this “child” might actually have an opinion of her own?

This leads to a slippery slope. What's next? Pro Gay/Nambla shirts? Keep to the dress code.

13 posted on 07/08/2009 9:44:12 AM PDT by tc45a
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To: kingpins10

See post #13


14 posted on 07/08/2009 9:48:05 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: kingpins10
SACRAMENTO (AP) By ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer

The U.S. Supreme Court refused Monday to suspend a dress code at a suburban San Diego high school that was challenged by a student who wore a T-shirt with anti-gay language.

Tyler Chase Harper sued the Poway Unified School District in 2004 to overturn a policy calling for schools to reduce or prevent “hate behavior,” including threats and attacks based on sexual orientation.

Harper had been pulled from class for wearing a T-shirt that read, “Homosexuality is shameful” on the front and, “Be ashamed. Our school has embraced what God has condemned,” on the back.


15 posted on 07/08/2009 9:52:30 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: micheknows

In Loco Parentis

Since when do kids in school have rights? Can a kid just start ranting in any class at any time? Can a kid just come and go as he pleases? Are kids not punished without a trial?


16 posted on 07/08/2009 9:53:25 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: micheknows

> two graphic pictures of a fetus growing in the womb

Interesting choice of words. Pictures of aborted babies might well be considered graphic, but there’s nothing graphic about seeing a whole fetus in utero.


17 posted on 07/08/2009 10:12:09 AM PDT by MikeGranby
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To: MikeGranby
but there’s nothing graphic about seeing a whole fetus in utero

The word "graphic" has no negative connotations. It simply means that an image was any of the following: delineated, pictorial, picturesque, vivid, vividly depicted, descriptive, expressive; concrete, explicit, specific; faithful, lifelike, natural, realistic; fresh, incisive, sharp.

18 posted on 07/08/2009 10:43:04 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: micheknows

After reading the majority of the comments posted on this, I am getting a much better understanding of why our Constitution has become just so much old, yellowed, paper.

“Schools have a lot more authority than the government does in regulating speech...” was one quote from the article. It’s a PUBLIC school, for God’s sake! It IS the freaking government. You all act like a school is some all-powerful entity that we dare not question. Here you have a middle school student, without her parents being notified, being intimidated and abused (by a lackey clerk, no less), three on one. When you’re OK with the government controlling your children this way, as adults they will be so used to it they won’t know anything else. We’ll have become a totalitarian state without lifting a finger to stop it.


19 posted on 07/08/2009 10:48:09 AM PDT by beelzepug (It's not what you said, it's how you said it.)
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To: tc45a

“This leads to a slippery slope.”

Oh, no. Not a child who thinks. Can’t have that, especially a girl. Best put her in a burkha and beat her if she tries to leave the house.


20 posted on 07/08/2009 10:51:04 AM PDT by beelzepug (It's not what you said, it's how you said it.)
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To: beelzepug
Oh, no. Not a child who thinks. Can’t have that, especially a girl. Best put her in a burkha and beat her if she tries to leave the house.

So you have no problem with a girl wearing a pro-choice t-shirt to school? Or a student wearing a "F**K Christmas" T-shirt as well?? (have you ever seen those, I have)

You libertarians crack me up. I went to public school many decades ago and we were not allowed to wear any provactive t-shirts, let alone shorts, ear rings, no dyed hair, goatees, our hair had to stop at the collar etc.

Gues what? We never thought our liberties were infringed upon and IT WAS A BETTER TIME TO LIVE!!!!!!!!!!-that is for dang sure.

By allowing this crap (this girls t-shirt) all you are doing is allowing more crap to be worn.

21 posted on 07/08/2009 11:18:56 AM PDT by tc45a
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To: beelzepug
When you’re OK with the government controlling your children this way, as adults they will be so used to it they won’t know anything else. We’ll have become a totalitarian state without lifting a finger to stop it.

Get real. This crap would never have been allowed in the 50's, sixties or maybe even the 70's and we never thought the gov't was taking away our rights.

22 posted on 07/08/2009 11:21:36 AM PDT by tc45a
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To: MSSC6644

> The word “graphic” has no negative connotations.

Right.


23 posted on 07/08/2009 12:41:53 PM PDT by MikeGranby
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To: org.whodat

I see nothing offensive in that T-shirt whatsoever.


24 posted on 07/08/2009 12:48:30 PM PDT by kingpins10
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To: tc45a

If you can’t see a difference between the two, I’d be wasting my time arguing with you. And I’m far from being a libertarian. Since you mentioned goatees and earrings, I’m betting I was in school before you were. We couldn’t do the things you listed, either.

There’s a big difference between political speech and obscenity, taking a position or causing a disruption. Sensible people can tell one from the other which explains why most public schools today have a one-size-fits-all policy on most everything. It keeps the administrators from having to think. So, a drawing of a gun = a gun, and your kid gets expelled.

You strike me as one of those who would disallow everything to everybody because it;s easier than actually having to make a judgement call. I call that laziness.

Incidentally, you didn’t mention the clerk grabbing this girl by the arm and yanking her around. The good old days you are yearning for also allowed paddlings and other corporal punishments, usually unsupervised and often much more than was called for. I can remember being smacked in the back of the head with a text book for goofing off in class; I probably deserved it but I wouldn’t be in favor of bringing that sort of teacher behavior back, would you?


25 posted on 07/08/2009 12:52:29 PM PDT by beelzepug (It's not what you said, it's how you said it.)
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To: tc45a

“...and we never thought the gov’t was taking away our rights.”

You never thought. That about covers it.


26 posted on 07/08/2009 12:54:33 PM PDT by beelzepug (It's not what you said, it's how you said it.)
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To: The Unknown Republican
Sometimes I really think I’m on a liberal board here...

Ditto. It's downright creepy sometimes. Sure, we're chronically infested with stealth trolls, but that's not the whole story. Sometimes you have to wonder if there are any good guys left.

27 posted on 07/08/2009 12:58:45 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: kingpins10
I see nothing offensive in that T-shirt whatsoever
28 posted on 07/08/2009 1:37:16 PM PDT by tc45a
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To: kingpins10
I see nothing offensive in that T-shirt whatsoever

Would you have a problem with a student wearing a "F**k Christmas" t-shirt or a pro gay or pro choice shirt(with crude pictures)?

29 posted on 07/08/2009 1:38:08 PM PDT by tc45a
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To: The Unknown Republican
I don't think the public schools should be subjected to social engineering. That would include Pro-Life shirts or Pro Abortion shirts. The child may well have that opinion, but the public school is not the place to wear them.

I believe that discussion on such matters are acceptable in the classroom if it is part of the curriculum.

I would be highly offended if a student in my child's school wore a shirt supporting abortion on demand.

There's a time and a place for everything.

30 posted on 07/08/2009 1:38:50 PM PDT by Stars&StripesNE
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To: beelzepug
Incidentally, you didn’t mention the clerk grabbing this girl by the arm and yanking her around. The good old days you are yearning for also allowed paddlings and other corporal punishments, usually unsupervised and often much more than was called for. I can remember being smacked in the back of the head with a text book for goofing off in class; I probably deserved it but I wouldn’t be in favor of bringing that sort of teacher behavior back, would you?

It's funny, I was only cracked one time and looking back I deserved it and the teacher warned me 2-3 times to stop what I was doing. You know what? I never did get in trouble agin.

All the kids that got cracked deserved it. Yes we need paddling back in school instead of time out in a corner.

As for the clerk grabbing this girl by the arm and yanking her around I would like to see what really happened and get the clerks side of the story.

Many young kids today have an arrogant attitude and you know it.

31 posted on 07/08/2009 1:46:38 PM PDT by tc45a
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To: tc45a

“Many young kids today have an arrogant attitude and you know it.”

I can’t argue with you there. I’d like to know more about the girl’s motivation to wear the shirt. If it reflects her own personal beliefs, more power to her. If she was doing it for her mother, that’s a different matter, although I still believe it is protected speech. The thing is, the left can get away with this sort of thing every day of the week, and if you dare to criticize, you’re being “intolerant”.

Funny thing, getting disciplined in school fifty years ago usually also resulted in a phone call home after the fact and if you had parents who really cared about raising you right, there was probably a second whacking waiting for you when you got there.


32 posted on 07/08/2009 2:47:17 PM PDT by beelzepug (It's not what you said, it's how you said it.)
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To: tc45a

I would have a problem with a T-shirt with profanities, yes. I do not have a problem with a t-shirt that says something like, “I hate Christmas”, as long as my child can wear one that says “I am pro-life.”

So yes, profanities should never be permitted.


33 posted on 07/08/2009 4:38:19 PM PDT by kingpins10
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