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Engineering unemployment soared in 2Q to 8.6%
eetimes ^ | 07/07/2009 | George Leopold

Posted on 07/08/2009 9:20:44 AM PDT by Zathras

WASHINGTON — U.S. engineering unemployment soared to a record in the second quarter of 2009, nearly doubling on a quarterly basis to 8.6 percent, the IEEE-USA said Tuesday (July 7), citing government figures.

The previous quarterly record for joblessness among U.S. electrical and electronic engineers was 7 percent, reached in October 2003.

EE unemployment previously peaked in 2003. (Source: Ron Hira)


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: unemplyment
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I remember 2002 and it is much worse now.
1 posted on 07/08/2009 9:20:46 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Zathras

Yeah, maybe these people can get jobs at Wal-Mart, they’ll be competing against former doctors once “healthcare” kicks in. Hows that Hope and Change thingy working out?


2 posted on 07/08/2009 9:23:14 AM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Zathras

And still we import H1Bs who “do the work that Americans won’t do,” including high-paying engineering jobs. I was priced out of a job last year by H1Bs, who took 1/2 of my pay (which was about the going market rate), but were less qualified.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 9:23:17 AM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: Zathras

The Obamaloons believe that engineering can be done outcountry.

The only persons that should be provided jobs are those with no abilities whatsoever - and there’s jobs in the congress, government, MSM, and ACORN for these losers.


4 posted on 07/08/2009 9:23:20 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Zathras

shovel ready...


5 posted on 07/08/2009 9:24:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zathras

Thankfully the stimulus passed, otherwise the rate would be over 10% by now.


6 posted on 07/08/2009 9:24:55 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: Zathras

We’ve absolutely screwed ourselves when it comes to engineering.

The suits running businesses have gleefully offshored engineering jobs. I suspect there was some small measure of payback in those decisions. You know, teach those smart engineering guys who’s boss. Pay them back for all the mocking of business majors. So, engineering jobs were offshored if it saved $1.37 a year.

The long term effect is that people bright enough to be engineers avoided engineering in college because they want to be employed when they graduate.


7 posted on 07/08/2009 9:26:46 AM PDT by brownsfan (The public schools and the SRM, they are killing us.)
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To: Zathras; martin_fierro

That sure as HELL isn’t true in Silicon Valley.

(Unless they only count people with H1-Bs as engineers, and only then because an unemployed H1-B is subject to deportation)


8 posted on 07/08/2009 9:27:34 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 169 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Zathras

And still we IMPORT engineers via H1Bs. The world has gone mad.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 9:27:50 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: thesharkboy
And still we import H1Bs who “do the work that Americans won’t do,” including high-paying engineering jobs. I was priced out of a job last year by H1Bs, who took 1/2 of my pay (which was about the going market rate), but were less qualified.

On my last full time job, I was replaced by THREE H1-B's.

10 posted on 07/08/2009 9:29:48 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 169 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Zathras

I’m worried about my friends at Sun/Oracle.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 9:35:35 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: null and void

Sounds right...
I work Comcast Business technical support along side a laid off engineer.


12 posted on 07/08/2009 9:37:08 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Zathras

In 2002 I was out for 16 months .. BUT I was still getting 5-6 interviews a month. This time I have been out since Oct 2008 and I have had 2 interviews. I passed the first but then was told that the company had pulled the req. I have not heard back from the second. Both companies are very large


13 posted on 07/08/2009 9:41:05 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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To: Zathras

Judging by the number of help-wanted ads on DICE.com (where 90% of the IT help wanted ads are placed), I’m thinking that the economy is headed for very very tough times in the next year.

IT jobs are a bellweather indicator — when the economy cools off we are the first to be fired. Likewise, if the company sees any uptick, they soon hire to catch up on projects and upgrades that were put off.

At any rate, according to the number of help wanted ads I’m seeing... it’s gonna be tough for a while.


14 posted on 07/08/2009 9:43:48 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: miliantnutcase

“I work Comcast Business technical support...”

My condolences. Yes, I’ve had to call your support number, and yes, I’m sorry if I was THAT grumpy...


15 posted on 07/08/2009 9:45:02 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: clamper1797

“I passed the first but then was told that the company had pulled the req.”

Yup... last week I got two such phone calls... “Yeah, you’re the prefect guy for the job, but the company postponed the hire...”


16 posted on 07/08/2009 9:46:01 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: thackney; stevie_d_64

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17 posted on 07/08/2009 9:48:18 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Buck Farak Ofama)
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To: Zathras

It “soared” to below the national rate. While it still sucks it’s actually an indication that the industry is doing OK.


18 posted on 07/08/2009 9:48:19 AM PDT by discostu (Tommy can you hear me)
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19 posted on 07/08/2009 9:50:52 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: TWohlford

I’ve been in the industry for 30+ years .. I have NEVER seen it ANYWHERE as bad. All H1B’s need to be sent back home RIGHT NOW


20 posted on 07/08/2009 9:52:26 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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To: TWohlford; clamper1797

I was on the other side of that fence and had to pull a req right when I had selected the perfect candidate and was making an offer.

Believe me, it’s difficult from the management side in that you feel like a real ass for wasting the interviewer’s time and getting their hopes up. I could have really used that new hire...


21 posted on 07/08/2009 9:56:55 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: martin_fierro

Yep. Many computer programmers are die hard liberals. They are getting what they asked for but are too stupid to know it. They are brain washed enough to say this is Bush’s fault. It wouldn’t matter if 100 years went by with Obama in office, they would still claim it to be Bush’s fault.


22 posted on 07/08/2009 9:57:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: martin_fierro
Yep but I am slowly seeing changes.
Our CEO is now giving indications he is very sorry he backed Bambi.

23 posted on 07/08/2009 9:58:00 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: clamper1797

“I have NEVER seen it ANYWHERE as bad.”

In my area, Denver, 2001 was worse, far worse.


24 posted on 07/08/2009 9:58:20 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: discostu
It “soared” to below the national rate. While it still sucks it’s actually an indication that the industry is doing OK.

Hey! For guys that spent their Friday nights in the Science Library until closing time, we expect to have lower unemployment than the riff-raff!

 

25 posted on 07/08/2009 10:14:12 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Zathras

Great!:(
My granddaughter just graduated w/ a mech. engineering degree.
She’s unemployed at the moment.


26 posted on 07/08/2009 10:33:00 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: clamper1797
All H1B’s need to be sent back home RIGHT NOW

Actally, I've recently worked with numerous H1B's, and they're losing their jobs in droves as well.

The actual H1B workers are as abused as any by this system. I worked with one last year who was required to leave home on the East coast to LA for a week the very night that his wife had a miscarriage. She was forced to somehow carry on, with the twin fetuses still in her body, without even having him at home. Very sad and very inhumane.

27 posted on 07/08/2009 10:36:44 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: CodeToad

Denver is NOT Silicon Valley


28 posted on 07/08/2009 10:48:01 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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To: clamper1797
All H1B’s need to be sent back home RIGHT NOW

Respectfully, and politely....if companies don't want to spend the $$$ on American workers, and scrimp by hiring H1B's....

What makes you think that said companies will spend money to hire Americans if all of the H1B's just get sent home?

My bet - from past experience - is that they'd just eliminate the positions altogether. Maybe hire a couple of overworked entry level guys that are too dumb to know how bad they've got it.

I saw it first hand with outsourcing. Company outsourced the IT dept - everyone kept the same desk, just switched employers. The conditions sucked, so everyone left. Replacements were not brought in until things completely broke down, then the few that came in just got pummeled.

Then, I left too. Dunno how the story ended. :-)

I guess what I'm saying is that things can always be worse. :-) Now, if you'd like to dump H1B's during boom times, when companies are willing to spend some cash....I might get behind that.

29 posted on 07/08/2009 10:51:07 AM PDT by wbill
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To: null and void; thesharkboy; Zathras
On my last full time job, I was replaced by THREE H1-B's.

Who probably couldn't accurately do half what you are capable of, but boy were they cheap!
30 posted on 07/08/2009 11:05:08 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Zathras

I’m bracing for another round of lay-offs this quater too..... µ


31 posted on 07/08/2009 11:07:44 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Zathras

Very misleading headline:

the 8.6% unemployment rate is for electrical engineers, not all engineers.


32 posted on 07/08/2009 11:14:12 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: clamper1797
In 2002 I was out for 16 months .. BUT I was still getting 5-6 interviews a month. This time I have been out since Oct 2008 and I have had 2 interviews.

I've had a similar experience.

According to: JOB DESTRUCTION NEWSLETTER No. 2036 -- 7/07/2009

"Unemployment for electrical engineers continues to increase. The 8.6% unemployment is bad enough, but the number is an underestimate because it doesn't include EEs that are underemployed, or who found a job in a lower paying non-engineering job.

There is plenty of evidence that unemployment statistics for engineers and computer/IT are error prone because these individuals are usually more resourceful than the general population at finding survival jobs."
33 posted on 07/08/2009 11:18:18 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: thesharkboy

“...And still we import H1Bs ..”

that was my first thought - if all foreign engineers were sent home, what would the unemployment rate be??


34 posted on 07/08/2009 11:19:42 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Redbob
Thats very true however EE times is the electronics bible for Silicon Valley and the semiconductor world.

35 posted on 07/08/2009 11:21:04 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: brownsfan
The suits running businesses have gleefully offshored engineering jobs. I suspect there was some small measure of payback in those decisions.

Well, yeah -- the payback comes from a focus on "looking out for the share-holders." Lower costs and all that, and thus (supposedly) higher stock prices.

Their payback is in the form of higher bonuses and stock options.

There seems to be no room in such decisions for the longer-term considerations, such as what happens when the domestic manufacturing base goes away; and the "service economy" business model runs afoul of the fact that the hard capital needed to run it has moved overseas.

This is the sort of stuff Lenin was talking about when he said that capitalists would sell him the rope he used to hang them.

36 posted on 07/08/2009 11:21:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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Yep. Many computer programmers are die hard liberals. ...

That's interesting. The IT / EE people I hang around with are mainly uber conservative; I've always thought that the few die hard liberals I've met were the exception that made the rule.
37 posted on 07/08/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: CodeToad

Yep, Denver 2001 was a bad one!


38 posted on 07/08/2009 11:23:00 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Redbob

They don’t say what field of EE they’re talking about either -

I’m betting power is WAAAAAY down.

My brother is an ME, and says that all coal plant construction has been halted or cancelled.


39 posted on 07/08/2009 11:25:11 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: elpadre
that was my first thought - if all foreign engineers were sent home, what would the unemployment rate be??

Probably about the same. The H1B engineers mainly represent needed skills, rather than lower costs. My suspicion is that there is a shortage of Americans able to provide the same level of support.

If that's true, a lot of H1B slots would probably go unfilled, or be shipped overseas, rather than filled by American engineers who may not have the necessary qualifications.

40 posted on 07/08/2009 11:25:52 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: MikeWUSAF
Believe me, it’s difficult from the management side in that you feel like a real ass for wasting the interviewer’s time and getting their hopes up.

I was once the 'perfect candidate' for a project and two hours into the assignment the bean counters E_MAILED my manager and informed him that the funding was pulled!

I was impressed by the professional way the manager handled it. Damn bean counters seem to have no respect for anyone!
41 posted on 07/08/2009 11:27:28 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: elpadre
if all foreign engineers were sent home, what would the unemployment rate be??

If we sent all H-!B's and L-1's home (including visa overstays), there would probably be no unemployment in EE or IT.
42 posted on 07/08/2009 11:30:54 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

To me about 2/3 are liberal. Many THINK they are conservative until you start getting into details with them.


43 posted on 07/08/2009 11:32:01 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: algernonpj

Fortunately the candidate had another offer and was still able to move into an employed position, they were currently unemployed. I’ve been on both sides and don’t appreciate people jerking me around so I try not to do it to others.


44 posted on 07/08/2009 11:32:41 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: wbill
Maybe hire a couple of overworked entry level guys

Can't do that with my job ... I'm a chip designer not an IT guy :

It takes YEARS of experience to do my job. Entry level would NOT cut it.
You can't design a chip without the stuff I design in it ... it can't be cut out
I have trained my replacement before ... it took over a year with an experienced H1B

H1Bs are NOT American workers and NOT protected ... send them home

45 posted on 07/08/2009 11:33:56 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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To: r9etb

“This is the sort of stuff Lenin was talking about when he said that capitalists would sell him the rope he used to hang them.”

And the sort of stuff that some of us on FR have been posting about for years. At first we were ridiculed. Then the attacks got to be more personal and vicious.

Now, it’s gotten strangely quiet.


46 posted on 07/08/2009 11:34:39 AM PDT by brownsfan (The public schools and the SRM, they are killing us.)
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To: r9etb
The H1B engineers mainly represent needed skills, rather than lower costs.

While there are a few exceptions, this is mainly globalist bull sh*t!

Most H-1B's are hired because they are CHEAP!
47 posted on 07/08/2009 11:35:50 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: r9etb
The H1B engineers mainly represent needed skills, rather than lower costs.

Bullcrap. Name a skill and you'll find an American with that skill. H1Bs are imported for lower costs.

48 posted on 07/08/2009 11:35:53 AM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: brownsfan
Now, it’s gotten strangely quiet.

Yeah, well, eventually reality has a way of asserting its traditional dominance over ideology.

49 posted on 07/08/2009 11:37:31 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: clamper1797

Respectfully ... if you are not in the industry (not you personally) ... you do NOT know what your talking about. If you want to what’s really going on in the electronics industry and your not in the industry I would suggest you refrain from commenting on something you know very little about (except for asking questions) and just sit back and listen to those of us who do ...


50 posted on 07/08/2009 11:39:44 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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