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Husseinís Gun May Go on Display at Bush Library
ny slimes ^ | 7-5-09 | DON VAN NATTA Jr.

Posted on 07/08/2009 12:27:03 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

Many American presidents have kept prized possessions within reach during their White House years. Franklin D. Roosevelt cherished a 19th century ship model of the U.S.S. Constitution. One of Dwight D. Eisenhower’s favorite gifts was an engraved Steuben glass bowl from his cabinet. And sitting on John F. Kennedy’s desk in the Oval Office was a paperweight made from a coconut shell he had carved with a distress message after his PT-109 was sunk during World War II.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; bush; bushlibrary; hussein; library; museum; saddam; souvenirs

1 posted on 07/08/2009 12:27:03 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Obama has a gun?


2 posted on 07/08/2009 12:30:16 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: WOBBLY BOB

When I read the title, my first thought was “Obama Has A Gun?”


3 posted on 07/08/2009 12:31:05 PM PDT by Ueriah
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Interesting that it was a Glock. I have seen several clips of him firing a pistol in the air and it was always a Browning Hi-Power.


4 posted on 07/08/2009 12:34:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Mr. Russell said Mr. Hussein had been crouched on all fours, the gun on the floor. The soldiers kept the rare pistol, which can fire bullets automatically, with two AK-47s found in the farmhouse, he said.

Wow. That is rare. Most Glocks require the trigger to be pulled in order to fire bullets.

5 posted on 07/08/2009 12:34:51 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: WOBBLY BOB
The gun, a 9 millimeter Glock 18C, was found in the spider hole where the Iraqi leader was captured in December 2003 by Delta Force soldiers, four of whom later presented the pistol to Mr. Bush.

I'm pretty sure that Hussein was captured by 1st Artillery Division soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas. Not sure where this Delta Force business comes from.

6 posted on 07/08/2009 12:35:54 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: WOBBLY BOB
‘In early 2004, one of the soldiers came up with the idea of presenting the gun to Mr. Bush. On March 1 that year, the Delta Force men surprised the president with the pistol at an Oval Office meeting.’

It was illegal to bring back any war trophies at that time. I doubt Pres. Bush ‘owns’ it. It's probably part of the DoD inventory.

7 posted on 07/08/2009 12:36:26 PM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
A measely Glock? Where are the gold-plated AKs? Personally, I'd love to have Saddam's gold-plated Tommy gun. Talk about kitch.
8 posted on 07/08/2009 12:37:39 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: VRWCmember

You mean the 1st Cav Division. Actually, it was a combined op with the 4th ID and SOCOM’s Task Force 121.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 12:39:39 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Sarah Palin: Sun Tzu of Politics)
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To: yarddog
I have seen several clips of him firing a pistol in the air and it was always a Browning Hi-Power.

Me too.
Switcheroo?

10 posted on 07/08/2009 12:40:02 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: TADSLOS

I guess I meant 4th Infantry Division, now that you mention it.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 12:43:34 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“This my rifle, this is my gun...”


12 posted on 07/08/2009 12:49:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Somehow I had it in my head that it was a 1911.

Glock 18s are cool though, he needs one of the 33 round magazines for that baby.


13 posted on 07/08/2009 12:52:19 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: VRWCmember

>>>> captured by 1st Artillery Division soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas. Not sure where this Delta Force business comes from. <<<<<

It’s pretty well documented that Saddam was captured by JSOC Task Force 121/145 out of Balad with regular Army in support.

Delta/SEALS/Rangers/SAS.

Mark Bowden wrote an “excellent” article about TF121 for The Atlantic a couple years ago.

By the way there was a photo on the Internet some years ago showing Saddam being perp-walked through his palace and a crowd of 30+ JSOC guys. They were definitely not regular Army.


14 posted on 07/08/2009 12:54:12 PM PDT by angkor
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RE: TF121

See my #14 above.


15 posted on 07/08/2009 12:55:59 PM PDT by angkor
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To: VRWCmember
I'm pretty sure that Hussein was captured by 1st Artillery Division soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas. Not sure where this Delta Force business comes from.

It could have been both. I recall a 'trophy' photo where several 'soldiers' had their faces edited out. That's usually an indication of CIA or a Special Forces Operator.

There was a task force that was created to act an intelligence clearing house that pretty much identified the farmsted on which Saddam was found.

16 posted on 07/08/2009 12:56:41 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: angkor
They were definitely not regular Army.

Nope. LOL!

17 posted on 07/08/2009 12:58:55 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Sarah Palin: Sun Tzu of Politics)
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To: TC Rider
I had a chance to fire one of those at a local machine gun shoot. I don't know what the rate of fire is but it is very fast. It was useless without the buttstock.
18 posted on 07/08/2009 1:04:26 PM PDT by smithandwesson76subgun (full auto fun)
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To: yarddog

“Interesting that it was a Glock. I have seen several clips of him firing a pistol in the air and it was always a Browning Hi-Power.”

The Hi-Power was probably used by his impersonators. Only the boss got to use the Glock. No sissy pistols for Saddam.


19 posted on 07/08/2009 1:18:08 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Chet 99

Obama has a gun?

Yeah, that was my first thought too. But then, that would make him a hypocrite and we all know how impossible THAT would be, huh!


20 posted on 07/08/2009 1:23:51 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: angkor; Tallguy
Google Archive Search:
Saddam Hussein captured (Dec 15, 2003)

The US army's 4th Infantry Division said Saddam was captured without incident in an underground hole near Tikrit. Two other people were also seized, as well as two AK-47 assault rifles, a pistol and $US750,000 ($A1.02 million) in US currency.

US officials said Saddam was taken into custody at 8:26pm local time last night (0426 AEDT Sunday) after a raid on a compound in the town of Ad Dawr, just south of Tikrit in northern Iraq, by US troops backed by a secret squad of Saddam trackers.

Fox News - Saddam Hussein Captured Near Tikrit (12/14/2003)

"He was caught like a rat," said Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno (search) of the 4th Infantry Division at a separate press conference in Tikrit.

FoxNews: Fourth Infantry, Commandos Capture Saddam (12/14/2003)

WASHINGTON — Eight months and four days after the fall of Baghdad, it fell to soldiers of the 4th Infantry Division (search) and a secretive team of commandos to pry Saddam Hussein (search) from a hole in the ground far smaller than the craters made by U.S. bombs that missed him on the war's opening night.
FoxNews: Military Releases Details of Saddam's Capture (12/15/2003)

ADWAR, Iraq — When darkness fell, the Americans moved into position, 600 of them, from infantrymen to elite special forces. Their target: two houses in this rural village of orange, lemon and palm groves. Someone big was inside, they were told.

All the articles that I could find mentioned the 4th Infantry Division (if they identified any specific unit at all) and other forces, special forces, etc. (That explains why I remembered the Infantry Division from Fort Hood -- even though I was mixed up initially between 1st and 4th.) While I didn't find the specific reference in my search just now, I also distinctly remember a particular soldier as being identified as the soldier that actually found and captured Saddam in the spider hole. When Hussein identified himself, the soldier replied "President Bush sends his regards." I was pretty sure that soldier was a 4th ID soldier from Fort Hood.

21 posted on 07/08/2009 1:51:41 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Oldpuppymax

Sadam was captured, that’s news to me, based on the news I hear the war was a failure.


22 posted on 07/08/2009 1:53:49 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: VRWCmember

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/red-dawn.htm

Operation Red Dawn
December 13, 2004

Forces from the 4th Infantry Division, coalition forces and special operations forces captured former Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, at approximately 8 p.m. local time December 13, 2003 in a remote farm house near Tikrit, Iraq.

Operation “Red Dawn” was launched after gaining actionable intelligence identifying two likely locations codenamed Objective Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2, near the town of Ad Dwar. The First Brigade Combat team of the 4th ID, in addition to Special Forces from Task Force 121 were assigned the mission to capture or kill Saddam Hussein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dawn

Operation Red Dawn
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Red Dawn was the U.S. military operation conducted on 13 December 2003 in the town of ad-Dawr, Iraq, near Tikrit, that captured Iraq President Saddam Hussein, ending rumours of his death. The operation was named after the film Red Dawn, (1984) by Captain Geoffrey McMurray.[1] The mission was assigned to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 4th Infantry Division, commanded by Col. James Hickey of the 4th Infantry Division, with joint operations Task Force 121 - an elite and covert joint special operations team.

And the best discussion is here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WOJAaV5qJy8C&lpg=PA259&dq=%E2%80%9CRed%20Dawn%E2%80%9D%20%22Robin%20Moore%22%20121&pg=PA259

Hunting Down Saddam
By Robin Moore


23 posted on 07/08/2009 2:43:38 PM PDT by angkor
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To: VRWCmember; TADSLOS
Here you go.

http://newnews.co.uk/middle_east_photos/saddam_capture_images/saddam_capture_image26.html


24 posted on 07/08/2009 3:15:21 PM PDT by angkor
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