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Pool Boots Kids Who Might "Change the Complexion" (Black kids kicked out)
NBC ^ | july 8, 2009 | Karen Araiza

Posted on 07/08/2009 1:16:54 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus

More than 60 campers from Northeast Philadelphia were turned away from a private swim club and left to wonder if their race was the reason.

"I heard this lady, she was like, 'Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?' She's like, 'I'm scared they might do something to my child,'" said camper Dymire Baylor.

The Creative Steps Day Camp paid more than $1900 to The Valley Swim Club. The Valley Swim Club is a private club that advertises open membership. But the campers' first visit to the pool suggested otherwise.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcphiladelphia.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: philadelphia; poolclub; privateproperty; racism; summercamp; swimming
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1 posted on 07/08/2009 1:16:54 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus
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To: Titus-Maximus

I read this story on Drudge and found it confusing. Were these kids kicked out because they were black, or because they weren’t members of a private club?


2 posted on 07/08/2009 1:18:30 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Titus-Maximus

Truthfully? I don’t care...I suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye...However, occuring in Philadelphia - I just don’t care...


3 posted on 07/08/2009 1:18:54 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Titus-Maximus
I saw almost the exact same thing happen! When I was a teenager my friend and I were smoking cigarettes trying to look cool at the local park...

And there were all these white kids with their slightly overweight moms playing at the park. Then like 20 black children with NO PARENTS ANYWHERE IN SIGHT kind of like stormed the park. They were like 20 10 years olds boys with cornrows.

Anyway, the white children looked terrified and ran to their moms. And their Moms, perhaps justifiably so, got their kids and got the hell out of there.

4 posted on 07/08/2009 1:20:49 PM PDT by exist
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To: Titus-Maximus

If the story is accurate, this is the sort of thing conservatives should condemn, loudly...private club or not.

If true, this stinks.


5 posted on 07/08/2009 1:20:50 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Gaffer

I am inclined to agree, especially as seeing as it comes from NBC, the antithesis of truth.

If facts warrant otherwise, I will change my opinion, but my guess is that this is NBC “creating” a story.

Not the first time they have done this.

Disclaimer: I did not read the article in question;-0


6 posted on 07/08/2009 1:21:09 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Gaffer

“Truthfully? I don’t care...I suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye...However, occuring in Philadelphia - I just don’t care...”

And that’s what happens when you have the likes of Sharpton constantly “crying wolf.”


7 posted on 07/08/2009 1:21:20 PM PDT by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: exist

Why did they do that? (run away) from those innocent black children....that’s terrible.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 1:23:17 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Also posted here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2288074/posts


10 posted on 07/08/2009 1:25:15 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ozzymandus

That’s what I am wondering.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 1:25:55 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
"The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately."

Suuuuuuuurrrre they did...

12 posted on 07/08/2009 1:26:43 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: ozzymandus

They weren’t members, but they have bought the right to swim there. What I’m wondering is whether it was their behavior, more than their color, that caused this. We’ll never know, because the media will never tell the other side.


13 posted on 07/08/2009 1:28:01 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Titus-Maximus
"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club,"

Poor choice of words, but did he mean they didn't want dark complected kids, or did he mean that they didn't want a ton of kids. If the nature of the club was adults and kids, then an influx of a whole bunch of kids of any color would definitely change the complexion of the club.

I once had a membership to a local YMCA pool where I would swim laps. Come the summer, and they started busing in poop loads of (mostly white) kids from day care centers. They sure changed the complexion of the water.

I quit. If I wanted to swim in a toilet, I could do it at home.

14 posted on 07/08/2009 1:29:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: Titus-Maximus

Hard to spin the story too much in either direction.

No matter what, the school paid for the visit or temp membership for the kids to swim, they showed up and were asked to go.

Could have been rowdy, could have exceeded lifeguard safty limits or......whatever.

It ain’t lookin’ good for the pool folks.


15 posted on 07/08/2009 1:29:49 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: norge

You don’t think private clubs should be able to exclude people because of their race?


16 posted on 07/08/2009 1:30:51 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: freekitty

It’s a private club. But the private club management agreed to let the kids from the day camp use the pool. The consideration was $1900.

But then the kids showed up and club members freaked. So management decided to refund the money and not let them use the pool.

What a go@tfreak!


17 posted on 07/08/2009 1:32:55 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: lady lawyer
It's a horse $hit story. I've read several variations of it today.

The private club opened their pool to several different groups and didn't know they would get such a flood of kids all at once.

The black kids aren't the only ones that were told that there would be no more open swimming.

Everyone, regardless of color, is welcome to join the club at the regular $600 yearly fee.

18 posted on 07/08/2009 1:35:31 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Titus-Maximus

If true this is, in this day and age - absolutely disgusting!


19 posted on 07/08/2009 1:36:31 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: lady lawyer

We will never know if it was their behavior. However, with 60 inner-city kids showing up at once, I would say it’s a strong possibility.


20 posted on 07/08/2009 1:38:33 PM PDT by kara37
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To: Titus-Maximus
The Pool in question.
21 posted on 07/08/2009 1:38:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: AppyPappy

FWIW this comment is from the Philly TV website-——>>>

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim_Club_Turns_Kids_Away_Fearing__Change_of_Complexion__Philadelphia.html#comments

I was at this event. The children in question were unruly, tearing up the place and the parents were not accountable. instead they wanted to cry race where none existed. Control your brats and juvenile delinquents and don’t cry race when your lack of being a parent ins the worst offense of the entire event. The the black gal who kept crying we won’t go...guess you went. Now go ruin your own hoods complexion. Not ours, we paid


22 posted on 07/08/2009 1:40:41 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: ozzymandus

They had paid for the membership. (When reading the story note how the club offered to return the membership fees)


23 posted on 07/08/2009 1:43:54 PM PDT by the long march
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To: dennisw

If Jesse Jackson had one of his illegitimate kids in a private pool when 60 inner city kids jumped in, I’m guessing he’d pull his kid out of the water too.

Does anyone really believe attendants told the kids “we don’t allow blacks here”

Waiting for more info


24 posted on 07/08/2009 1:45:12 PM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: Boiling Pots

No. NOr their religion. Why not rent Gentleman’s Agreement and watch it tonight. Then check yourself.


25 posted on 07/08/2009 1:47:00 PM PDT by the long march
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To: norge

Excuse me, condemn a private club for deciding who it allows to be members or use its facilities? I think not.

I don’t have to agree with someones decisions, but a private club has every right to decide who can and who cannot be members or use their facilities by any criteria they choose.

Biggots want to form a club and hang amongst themselves and call themselves the KKK that’s fine as long as they aren’t physically assaulting other folks. Mentally ill folks want to form a club and hang out amongst themselves and call it a gay bath house.. as long as they aren’t assaulting other folks, they are free to do so.

I don’t agree with a lot of folks decisions, but I’m not going to condemn them for it, their club, their decision. If you aren’t a member of the club, then frankly its none of your damned business or concern either.


26 posted on 07/08/2009 1:49:54 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: the long march

Then you do not believe in the freedom of association.

If one cannot choose with whom they want to associate with, then there is no freedom.


27 posted on 07/08/2009 1:52:03 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: icwhatudo

I don’t know if it happened, but it certainly could have. Its a PRIVATE club, it is free to refuse membership to anyone it wants to.

The hunt club out by Irwin has the same policy, and has no issues telling anyone who asks blacks may not be members.

You don’t have to like it, but its their right to associate with who they want or don’t want to, and allow membership to who they do or don’t want to.


28 posted on 07/08/2009 1:52:13 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Titus-Maximus

My BS meter is buzzing.


29 posted on 07/08/2009 1:53:33 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Boiling Pots

I think we should CONDEMN it, but not make it illegal.

People should ALWAYS have the freedom to associate with anyone they want, but the state should have no part in preventing or promoting it.


30 posted on 07/08/2009 1:57:35 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: HamiltonJay; Boiling Pots

You both forget one thing, and that is they rented it out to the organization.

Hey, I am in agreement. They can do whatever they want. I didn’t suggest they can’t. But when something stinks, it stinks, and I reserve the right to say so.


31 posted on 07/08/2009 1:58:31 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: the long march

I don’t agree.

“Gentleman’s Agreement” was a ground-breaking film, but people shoule ALWAYS be free to PRIVATELY associate with whom they want, FOR ANY REASON AT ALL.

When the government gets into discrimination, we’ve got a problem.
When government tries to control our personal/private discriminations, we’ve got a problem as well.


32 posted on 07/08/2009 1:59:57 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: norge

You reserve the right to say something stinks, and they reserve the right to refuse admittance. Funny how respecting others rights doesn’t always leave a good taste in ones mouth, far too many people think it should.


33 posted on 07/08/2009 2:01:30 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: the long march

Ancient Order of Hibernians

Sons of Italy


34 posted on 07/08/2009 2:03:12 PM PDT by diefree
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To: the long march

Sorry, then you are functionally ignorant of the very foundations of western civilization and the American Ideal.

Private property rights and freedom of association are at the fundamental root of a free society. Someone is free to be biggotted against someone else for whatever reason they choose, don’t have to like it, but that’s reality.

A private club certainly has every right to decide who may be members and who can or cannot use its property, its really no more complicated than that. You may not like their decisions, but your desires have absolutely no right to have any influence on theirs.

If some private club says hey, no Jews, no Muslims, no Gays, No wasps, no Blacks, no Asians, no Hispanics, no Whites, no people with piercings, no people with vestigial nipples.... or whatever, that’s their right. Individuals are free to associate with whoever they want, and not associate with whoever they want and you nor the government, nor anyone else has any right to tell them otherwise.

A business or public accomidation fine, but a private club? Absolutely has every right to admit or deny whoever the hell they want for whatever reason they want.


35 posted on 07/08/2009 2:08:00 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Boiling Pots

“You don’t think private clubs should be able to exclude people because of their race?”

I think I wouldn’t want to associate with someone who doesn’t want to associate with someone because of their race.


36 posted on 07/08/2009 2:08:21 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: SJSAMPLE

“... FOR ANY REASON AT ALL...”

Including treason? Including terrorist attack planning? Your understanding of the law and of the Constitution are obviously limited. Have fun being a libertarian, you are certainly no conservative


37 posted on 07/08/2009 2:08:24 PM PDT by the long march
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To: HamiltonJay

You still haven’t addressed the issue of the club renting out the place to an inner city Day Camp.

And yes, I think discrimination in any form should be condemned.


38 posted on 07/08/2009 2:09:37 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Boiling Pots

Be sure to include Al Capone and his boys. They freely chose to associate with each other.

Some folks just plain don’t get it. They are bigots and there is no excusing that


39 posted on 07/08/2009 2:10:14 PM PDT by the long march
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To: norge

“If true, this stinks.”

I tend to believe the black parents. This is not really unusual. In most cases it is the white parents that DO instill racism in their children. And seeing that this was an elite Swim Club it does not surprise me at all. Just my opinion.

I have a childhood that gave me the experiences to see this type of racism. Lived in Princeton and most of my childhood friends were black as Princeton Elementary was predominently black. We moved to Arlington, VA and it was like entering a totally racist “movie” for me. It was the first day that the junior high was allowing black kids into the school and my blonde haired, blue-eyed, History teacher, Mr. Harper wore a red KKK band on his upper arm over his shirt and he was only “suspended” for 3 days. He taught us a totaly different Civil War History (the South shall rise again, etc) and at dinner my parents were flabbergasted when I told them my daily experiences at school. I have seen much racism around the world as my father was a high ranking naval officer and we lived all over the world.

For people to think that this does not still exist is a bit naive on their part.


40 posted on 07/08/2009 2:12:16 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: HamiltonJay

The steam coming from your ears has clouded your thinking


41 posted on 07/08/2009 2:13:50 PM PDT by the long march
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To: norge

Again, you are free to condemn it, and they are free to do it. Isn’t it funny how that works?

In terms of them renting out the pool, if they entered into an agreement to rent the pool and broke it, that’s a matter of contract law and they are free to deal with that in court.


42 posted on 07/08/2009 2:16:27 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: the long march

There is no steam coming from my ears, and my thinking is quite clear.

Please, you believe my thinking is unclear, you show me where private property rights and freedome of association are not fundamental principles of liberty.

You nor the government, nor anyone else has any right to tell private individuals who they can or cannot associate for whatever reason they decide.

I suggest you read the first ammendment of the Constitution if you think otherwise.

The right of the people peaceably to assemble with whoever they choose is a fundamental right.

Private Property rights are also fundamental to liberty, you cannot be free from opression if anyone holds any right to your personal property.

Private Clubs are free to allow or disallow anyone they want for whatever reason they want, and are just as free to allow or disallow whoever they want to use their property. The Catholic Church is free to refuse to rent its assembly halls to an abortion rights group, and if entered into a contract with them by mistake could break the countract and the only recourse is the violation of contract law, not that they are not allowed to do so, its that if they do they face a penalty for it. Its not a penalty of criminal law, but of civil law.

You are free to not like that people can decide who they do or don’t want to associate with, but of course you’re on the wrong side of liberty on that one, but hey, when you know better how everyone else should live their lives, you are so far on the other side of liberty that the concept is completely foreign to you anyway.


43 posted on 07/08/2009 2:25:17 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Titus-Maximus
Is this really how it was?

I know that there are still a few people out there who are very racist. Having said that, I would be willing to bet that this account is highly overblown if not made up out of whole cloth. I suspect the campers were causing trouble, being loud and obnoxious, and when action was taken against them, they choose to try to blame it on racism.

44 posted on 07/08/2009 2:26:00 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: HamiltonJay

What do you expect in the blue appendage of an otherwise red state?


45 posted on 07/08/2009 2:27:15 PM PDT by smokinleroy (Eccl. 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: exist

“white children looked terrified and ran to their moms”
_________

Yeah, black children can be terrifying.


46 posted on 07/08/2009 2:27:20 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: Snurple
Why did they do that? (run away) from those innocent black children....that’s terrible.

I wasn't there so I dunno. But I can tell you that there is a lot of racial animosity simmering under the surface in places like Philly. White people moved out to the suburbs in droves from areas that used to be nice ethnic neighborhoods in North Philly and other places, as these places "went black" and turned into gang-infested ghettos.

So I'm sure this incident provoked those fears in the white folks there--whether it was merited or not.

And if these kids were not on their best behavior, that would've just served to reinforce old attitudes. Not saying anyone was right or wrong here--again I wasn't there--but I'm trying to explain why white folks in Philly and in the Northeast especially (which is still pretty white) are real touchy about this kinda thing.

It might have been different in some other area of the city that has been integrated for a long time.

47 posted on 07/08/2009 2:29:29 PM PDT by Claud
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To: norge
they rented it out to the organization.

Typically, saying they 'rented it out' implies that the organization had exclusive use of the facility for a period of time. That was not the case here.

48 posted on 07/08/2009 2:31:37 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: the long march
The poster made it perfectly clear that you can have your own club or group AS LONG AS you aren't assaulting others. I would hope you know al capone and his cronies assaulted people.

You are working hard not to get it.

49 posted on 07/08/2009 2:34:18 PM PDT by Grenada
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To: MEGoody

You are making a rather broad assumption, but nevertheless, I presume they “rented it out” to the day camp organization for use one day a week for a set period of time (which is unknown to me).

Call it what you will, they did what they did, and I would guess, with knowledge up front with whom they were dealing.


50 posted on 07/08/2009 2:38:35 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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