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Not So Fast With Those Electric Cars
IBD Editorials ^ | July 7, 2009 | Investor's Business Daily

Posted on 07/08/2009 5:07:23 PM PDT by WhiteCastle

Alternative Energy: A government report says reliance on electric cars will do little to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and may merely shift our dependence on foreign sources from one set of dictators to another..."If you are using coal-fired power plants, and half the country's electricity comes from coal-powered plants, are you just trading one greenhouse gas emitter for another?" asks Mark Gaffigan, co-author of the GAO report. The report itself notes: "Reductions in CO2 emissions depend on generating electricity used to charge the vehicles from lower-emission sources of energy."

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1 posted on 07/08/2009 5:07:24 PM PDT by WhiteCastle
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To: WhiteCastle

They’re not just coming to this conclusion, are they? Seriously.


2 posted on 07/08/2009 5:11:08 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: WhiteCastle

Someone in Washington finally figured out how to do a material and energy balance.

Lo and behole! It’s not nice to try to fool Mother Thermodynamics.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 5:11:18 PM PDT by Ole Okie (American)
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To: WhiteCastle

here’s a novel thought.

Get our own oil and gas from our own backyard.

foreign oil problem now solved.

In the meantime we research and look at different energy in not a speedy way and we will get it right


4 posted on 07/08/2009 5:11:35 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: WhiteCastle

Gosh, I hate to show my ignorance but I have to ask what the hell’s wrong with nuclear? Other than the waste problem it seems to be a whole lot better for environment than anything that has to deal with byproducts that clog the air. I’m serious. How have the environmentalist been able to stymie nuclear production of electricity for so long? Seems to me like the answer, for now anyway, is electric cars with the electricity being provided by nuclear energy.

OK, go ahead and fire away. I know I’m missing something. Can it really be simply the power of the environmental lobby?


5 posted on 07/08/2009 5:12:06 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: WhiteCastle

The combination of that EESTOR super capacitor and electricity generated by modern nuke plants sounds awfully good to me.


6 posted on 07/08/2009 5:13:20 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: WhiteCastle

Yep, those “non-polluting electric car” hucksters show their ignorance or delilberate deception by saying there is no pollution, just plug it into the nearest electrical outlet. So where does the power come from? coal, natural gas, atomic energy...all BAD BAD power sources.


7 posted on 07/08/2009 5:13:57 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: WhiteCastle
No such thing as a free lunch.

-Milton Friedman

True for energy as it is for everything else. Anyone with any technical education(and not a crook or charlatan) has always known this.

Now if we had lots more nuclear power plants and electric cars we have a different calculus.
8 posted on 07/08/2009 5:14:43 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: FoxInSocks

Unbelievable! I’ve been banging this drum for more than a year. At least it didn’t take a $20M “gummint study” to figure it out.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 5:15:43 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: jwparkerjr

Your not missing anything.

Nuclear is the way to go, and a good portion of the world’s Uranium is located in Colorado, of all places.

Guess what? The government and environmentalists won’t let them mine it. True story.

Instead, you guessed it, we IMPORT IT.


10 posted on 07/08/2009 5:16:51 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: GreyFriar
coal, natural gas, atomic energy...all BAD BAD power sources.

You can add hydro-electric to your "bad" list. It has been dead to the envirowhackos for years and in their eyes as evil as nuke.

11 posted on 07/08/2009 5:17:16 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: WhiteCastle

At least we own the coal—if we’ve got the will to use it.


12 posted on 07/08/2009 5:23:14 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: WhiteCastle

You see, yesterday the worry was “emissions”.

But modern power plants emit almost nothing.

So they’ve moved the goal post, created a fake problem that you can’t solve. You’ve lost the game the moment you agree to play.

The answer is “all of the above”. There is an enormous amount of oil offshore California (where it just seeps up through the ocean floor whether you drill for it or not) and offshore Alaska. There is an enormous amount of oil shale that we’ve placed off limits... again, placing limits on ourselves when we didn’t need to. There is an enormous amount of coal that can be converted to diesel if we just want to. There is enough, in other words, that we could easily replace the amounts we get from the middle east. If we just want to.

And we can build nukes to power electric cars. Lithium may be the cats meow today, but we’ll find something else the week after. The point is, don’t wring our hands, do it.

The only thing that is a waste of time is what they seem to be pushing, which is solar and wind. Both of these have their place as a niche source, but neither is of any use beyond that. They take up enormous amounts of land. Power you could produce on 40 acres with a natgas plant requires 4000 acres using photovoltaic panels. Even a solar thermal plant is wasteful of land, and none of them produce after the sun goes down. Dang.

All of these things are possible, and all of them are under attack the moment you decide to do them, including solar and wind power. The environmentalists hate them too (and in that case, I agree with them). The greens only favor wind and solar if you’re building a natgas plant; the moment you try to build a solar or wind plant they come out of the woodwork to stop you there too. They are children, the rank and file, and OPEC hacks, the leadership. They’ll tie you in knots if you try to make them happy; they will never be happy so you have to defeat them.


13 posted on 07/08/2009 5:27:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: Ole Okie

Overall system efficiency has to be calculated. Coal fired turbines are more efficient than Otto engines, and electric power is pure work, while most electric motors meet or beat 90% efficiency. Weighing against that is transmission losses.


14 posted on 07/08/2009 5:29:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Think of the D Party as what it really is: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: jwparkerjr

A nuke plant emits zero emissions. Its still bad, if you listen to the crazy people.

We’ve place our own uranium off limits, but thats solveable too. You just have to have the political will to fight that battle and win it. We were once the largest producer of uranium in the world. We could be again if we defeat the crazy people.


15 posted on 07/08/2009 5:30:30 PM PDT by marron
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To: WhiteCastle
Windy Pickin's

These "wind farms" are real eyesores that do little to solve the energy problems. Just a big money deal for the enviroloony wackos.

If we're going to have these goofy electric cars, we better get busy building nuclear power plants.

16 posted on 07/08/2009 5:38:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: WhiteCastle

Electric Cars? — Nuke the B*st*rds.


17 posted on 07/08/2009 6:11:48 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: manc

THere was just a story yesterday saying that under North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana there is a 500 billion barrel reserve of sweet light crude oil. If it never replensihed itself (which oil underground does, btw) we’d have about 2000 years worth of oil.

To put the size of this in perspective, this reserve is estimated to be 8 times the Saudi oil fields.

We need to crush the ecolib terrorists in our country. they don’t want us energy independent. Andthey don’t want us using this oil.

Of course they hate us using any kind of energy. They hate wind because it kills birds and its ugly. Nuclear has no emissions but we’re all going to die via the CHina Syndrome. (Forget much of europe is nuclear, France is 80% nuclear power.) Coal plants in the US are very clean burning but that just encourages people to use more energy so that’s no good. Natural gas, it’s explosive but they like it that it’s expensive. Then oil. The most evil thing mother earth ever made and man refined.

The econuts need to be brushed aside for national security and cheap abundent energy needs of citizens and businesses make life here affordable and prosperous.


18 posted on 07/08/2009 6:18:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yeah, and it’s not just the eyesore aspect, there’s weird whooshing sounds if you live near them, very irritating. Some folks that lived closer to them have sold out (before the housing market tanked) because they could not sleep.

There were some ear pressure phenomena associated with those wonderful ECO-friendly machines that, connected together have a HUGE footprint not counting the maintenance, buried lines, grid integration, the list is l-o-o-o-n-n-g. But oh well, who cares, they look so NEAT!


19 posted on 07/08/2009 6:18:54 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: brushcop

You haven’t lived until you’ve driven through that massive “wind farm” near Sweetwater, Texas. What were those morons thinking when they allowed that to happen? All those windmills should be packed up and shipped to T-Bone Pickings. That is some seriously sick stuff.


20 posted on 07/08/2009 6:22:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: NicknamedBob

The obvious solution is to build vehicles with huge rear tires and small front tires. That way they are always going down hill. To keep them from reaching uncontrollable speeds install a generative braking system to generate electricity. The slower you drive the more power will be generated. I just can’t figure out how to transfer that electric power to the grid while the vehicle is moving. Gosh, how can I be so brilliant but be stumped by such a minor detail? I may have to call on Joe Biden for a solution.

I got the idea for this while I was contemplating Obama’s brilliant stimulus plan.


21 posted on 07/08/2009 6:28:41 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

great post


22 posted on 07/08/2009 6:30:52 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That’s exactly where I had in mind when I went to a friend’s funeral (actually to Post but via Sweetwater, etc.) a couple of weeks ago and speaking with folks that live at, near or under thost things.


23 posted on 07/08/2009 6:33:55 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: brushcop

Yeah. I went throught there in May. I hadn’t been through that area for about three years. I could not believe what they did. Someone should have said, “Enough already!” a few years ago.


24 posted on 07/08/2009 6:37:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: RipSawyer
Don't forget to always stop for hitchhikers at the tops of hills, and drop them off at the bottom. You get free use of all their potential energy.

I'd like a vehicle with four motor-generators at the corners of the vehicle, with a "fifth-wheel" motor-generator that cycles opposite to the drive wheels!

When the vehicle slows, the fifth wheel speeds up. When the vehicle takes off again, the fifth wheel slows down.

When you come to a stop at a traffic-controlled intersection, you can download your extra energy the way horses used to.

25 posted on 07/08/2009 6:38:59 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I have yet to hear anybody clearly finger our biggest energy problem; namely, eco-nuts. Where do they get the leverage they have over us? Can’t they just be ignored?


26 posted on 07/08/2009 7:25:03 PM PDT by balls ("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
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To: balls

They are stealth funded by lots of rich liberals. Also much of the heavy lifting is done by groups that do not show a liberal ‘front’, they appear reasonable to the uninformed. Like Sierra Club. World Wildlife Fund. But lots of rich libs, especially hollywood and media ones, send a lot of money towards these groups under the radar. They also buy up huge tracts of land to take them off the market. They push for states and the federal government to set up land buying programs and once the state or feds have the land, they make it off limits.

every once in awhile the feds actually kill a holdout family that doesn’t sell to them. I remember a story out west where a guy had thousands of acres and wouldn’t sell, they trumped up something against him and raided his place in the middle of the night, and shot him while he was trying to arm himself to defend against intruders. Read it here or on rense.com.


27 posted on 07/08/2009 9:08:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: WhiteCastle

Freeway Love

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/photos/1713039,gallery_freeways_jo081209.photogallery


28 posted on 08/14/2009 3:46:55 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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