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Swine flu shots at school: Bracing for fall return
Yahoo News ^ | July 09, 2009 | LAURAN NEERGAARD

Posted on 07/09/2009 4:55:26 PM PDT by Man50D

U.S. swine flu vaccinations could begin in October with children among the first in line — at their local schools — the Obama administration said Thursday as the president and his Cabinet urged states to figure out now how they'll tackle the virus' all-but-certain resurgence.

"We may end up averting a crisis. That's our hope," said President Barack Obama, who took time away from the G-8 summit in Italy to telephone another summit back home — the 500 state and local health officials meeting to prepare for swine flu's fall threat.

No final decision has been made on whether to vaccinate Americans, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius stressed. That depends largely on studies with experimental batches that are set to start the first week of August — to see if they're safe and seem to work and to learn whether they require one or two doses.

But if all goes well, the federal government will buy vaccine from manufacturers and share it for free among the states, which must then "try and get this in the arms of the targeted population as soon as possible," Sebelius said.

First in line probably will be school-age children, young adults with risky conditions such as asthma, pregnant women and health workers, she said. Unlike regular winter flu, the swine flu seems more dangerous to these groups than to older people.

"Schools are natural places" to offer those vaccines, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said.

Go home and get schools, mayors and other community leaders to spread that message, Sebelius said.

"The last thing we want is millions of parents to be surprised" the day the get-your-kid-vaccinated-at-school note comes home, she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: duncan; fascism; flu; flushot; flushots; h1n1; hhs; influenza; obama; school; sebelius; swineflu; vaccination; vaccinations; vaccine
This is another manufactured crisis to impose more government control and intrusion into everyone's lives. it will be used as an excuse to invoke The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act: so that states will force residents to get flue shots. An excerpt from the article provided at the link above.

Under the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, upon the declaration of a "public health emergency," governors and public health officials would be empowered to:

1. Force individuals suspected of harboring an "infectious disease" to undergo medical examinations.
2. Track and share an individual's personal health information, including genetic information.
3. Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases.
4. Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a "substantial risk" to a "significant number of people or cause a long-term disability." (Note: Neither "substantial risk" nor "significant number" are defined in the draft.)
5. Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases. 6. Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and--this is key--property rights.
7. Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices.
8. Mobilize all or any part of the "organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state's orders."
9. Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities.
10. Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders.


Thirty eight states have passed a total of 66 bills or resolutions that include provisions from or closely related to the Act. The extent to which the Act's provisions are incorporated into each state's laws varies.The status of these bills by state can be seen at www.publichealthlaw.net

Additionally an Austrian Investigative reporter by the name of Jane Burgermeister ecently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America.The link to this articel is whitewraithe.wordpress.com

More links to this potential conspiracy can be found at http://countusout.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/the-greatest-crime-in-the-history-of-humanity-president-obama-named-as-a-defendant and http://preventdisease.com/news/09/042709_swine_flu.shtml


I would be very leery of announcing a possible vaccination many months ahead of time given the type of administration that is attempting to destroy our Democratic Republic by imposing socialist bills designed to expand government and exert more control over the people ans considering a report WHO warns swine flu 'unstoppable' from as recently as 7/3/09 states the following passages:

"The WHO says most H1N1 cases are mild, with many people recovering unaided". "She stressed that the overwhelming majority of patients experienced mild symptoms and made a full recovery within a week, often in the absence of any form of medical treatment."

Why would the BO administration make such statement this far in advance if most cases are mild and most people recover unaided within a week? Don't be surprised if this is used as an excuse could to convince people to support socialist health care reform or prevent them from congregating in large groups such as tea parties. Be very skeptical folks.

1 posted on 07/09/2009 4:55:26 PM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

Didn’t we have a swine flu vaccine last go where the cure was worse than the disease???


2 posted on 07/09/2009 5:05:18 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Man50D

After many years of homeschooling, my daughter would like to go to high school this fall. I am very worried about this scenario and my husband and I are going to sit her down and in no uncertain terms let her know that she is NEVER to accept an injection without our express written consent and/or presence. If anyone tries to coerce/pressure her, she is to resist and call us immediately or leave if necessary. I can honestly see them have some sort of ‘assembly’ to tell the students about the dangers of the flu and then lining them up to receive the vaccine- probably as a condition of staying in school. If it comes down to it, we will pull her out and homeschool again. We always told our kids that after 8th grade, they would have the choice to continue homeschooling or go to high school, but now I am having serious doubts if any kind of ‘mass vaccination’ program targeted at school kids is in the works.


3 posted on 07/09/2009 5:07:47 PM PDT by usmom
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To: usmom

Okay, this scares me. Are they to seriously believe that we trust them enough to have all of a sudden come up with a vaccine for Swine Flu? and then to put it in our children to use as guiena pigs. This man has completely lost his ever lovin mind.


4 posted on 07/09/2009 5:15:58 PM PDT by GoCards (Behind Sarah 100%)
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To: dawn53

What are the DEMS planning this fall? WATCH CONGRESS CAREFULLY! What is Obama up too?


5 posted on 07/09/2009 5:23:12 PM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: dawn53
Didn’t we have a swine flu vaccine last go where the cure was worse than the disease???

There was a swine flue outbreak in 1976. One died from the flu and 20 died from the vaccine.
6 posted on 07/09/2009 5:28:04 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: JenB

Homeschool ping!!


7 posted on 07/09/2009 5:28:08 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: usmom

Even without the threat of that, government school just isn’t a good idea.


8 posted on 07/09/2009 5:43:48 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: GoCards

The are sneaky. The vaccine they force on the kids will be okay in order to convince us getting them later all is well.

I have bever seen a campaign to start vaccinations way in advance of any crisis.

I do not trust this government. It is tyranny.


9 posted on 07/09/2009 5:51:21 PM PDT by dforest (Anyone dumb enough to have voted for him deserves what they get.. No Pity!)
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To: dawn53
Didn’t we have a swine flu vaccine last go where the cure was worse than the disease???

Not swine flu vaccine this year (at least "yet"), but bird flu vaccine proves similar results...

Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland

Snippets: 02 Jul 2008 The medical staff, from the northern town of Grudziadz, are being investigated over medical trials on as many as 350 homeless and poor people last year, which prosecutors say involved an untried vaccine to the highly-contagious virus.

The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.

10 posted on 07/09/2009 5:51:28 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: usmom

No need to worry. Public schools cannot even give children a tylenol without parental/physician approval. If the vaccinations are offered at schools, each child will have to have parental permission to receive a vaccination. No permission, no shot. The laws have changed radically since I was in school and they routinely came around with those guns that gave vaccinations for every child. In Georgia, schools have to have a physician approved release for a child to get tylenol or even neosporin. My wife is not even allowed to give lotion to a student.


11 posted on 07/09/2009 6:09:29 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: GoCards

This is the same as the flu vaccinations each year. They are created yearly, so each season’s vaccination is different. They are created quickly and rolled out in the fall. There is nothing different about creating a vaccine for this flu. They just had a little less time.

They are targeting the vaccination of children, because children are being affected much more severely with H1N1 than with a seasonal flu. The vaccinations will be optional for school children, and offered at school as a convenience.

Honestly, the fact that there is going to be a vaccine this fall is very, very good news. My job requires me to get the vaccine, but most people have a choice. If you don’t think this flu is a risk, then don’t get the vaccine. You will still benefit from the people that do. The more vaccinated people, the fewer to transmit this flu.


12 posted on 07/09/2009 6:15:04 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: usmom

There’s not a chance that she will be vaccinated without your written permission. Now whether or not there is an assembly - well that’s possible - but a shot? Nope.


13 posted on 07/09/2009 6:18:41 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: ga medic

On the whole, that’s correct. They can’t even give tylenol to a kid without parental permission. But they can give condoms to minors in many school systems. And in many states, they can take a kid to a clinic for an abortion without notifying the parents.

So, I suspect that if the government really wants to do this, they will find a way to do it, one way or another.


14 posted on 07/09/2009 6:22:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoftballMominVA

They gave my daughter a HiB vaccine in high school without me knowing a damn thing about it. I found out about it that night when she was complaining the the injection site hurt.


15 posted on 07/09/2009 7:01:36 PM PDT by Marie
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To: Cicero

They won’t. Their goal is to allow as many as possible to receive the vaccination without an associated inconvenience or cost. If the vaccinations are free and received at school, a large number of students will be vaccinated. This is the goal, and it should be enough to effectively limit transmission of the virus.

Not that I agree with it, but the theory behind giving birth control and abortion without parental consent is that kids won’t talk to their parents about sex. This excuse does not apply when talking about the flu.


16 posted on 07/09/2009 7:07:43 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: SoftballMominVA

There’s not a chance that she will be vaccinated without your written permission. Now whether or not there is an assembly - well that’s possible - but a shot? Nope.

Some schools in our area do an opt out form that needs to be filled out instead of a permission form. I would assume same there. They actually take insurance information. The year my son was going part time I told them that if he had an emergency hosptialization to say he was fully insured, but that there was NOTHING that the school could to to him without my knowlege and consent.


17 posted on 07/09/2009 7:07:57 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: Marie

If you don’t mind my asking, when and where did this occur. I am almost positive that it is illegal to vaccinate students without parental consent in all 50 states. You could probably sue the school district and easily win.


18 posted on 07/09/2009 7:09:32 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: usmom

What state and which school district will your daughter be attending?


19 posted on 07/09/2009 7:24:03 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Cicero

So, I suspect that if the government really wants to do this, they will find a way to do it, one way or another.

That is what I’m afraid of. People keep telling me not to worry because they can’t do it without ‘permission’, but it could easily happen. They would just claim there was a mix-up with the paperwork or it was just too urgent a matter to wait for permission slips in the interest of ‘public health’ and then what do you do? The deed is done. Once again, we will have a talk with her- no shots at school- no matter what. Luckily this is high school and not elementary where younger kids might not understand or remember and just plain would go along with whatever teachers or others in authority told them to do. I find this to be a truly scary and Orwellian situation that I even need to be worrying about this.


20 posted on 07/09/2009 9:03:01 PM PDT by usmom
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To: usmom; ga medic

Just so. It depends on what their motives are. If they are simply concerned about protecting the children’s health from a possibly serious flu epidemic next fall, then there should be no problem. But if Obama wants to bend the laws, as he has already done several times, as in the Chrysler and GM takeovers, then there could be difficulties.

I don’t trust him. But hopefully this is on the up and up. If he tries to push through forced immunizations of children, he could stir up a lot of resentment and political trouble for himself.


21 posted on 07/09/2009 9:11:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2Jedismom; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; Antoninus; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself) The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail metmom to let her know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.
22 posted on 07/09/2009 9:15:01 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Man50D
Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu


By: Dr. Russell Blaylock
Newsmax
Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Link

An outbreak of swine flu occurred in Mexico this spring that eventually affected 4,910 Mexican citizens and resulted in 85 deaths. By the time it spread to the United States, the virus caused only mild cases of flu-like illness. Thanks to air travel and the failure of public health officials to control travel from Mexico, the virus spread worldwide. Despite predictions of massive numbers of deaths and the arrival of doomsday, the virus has remained a relatively mild disease, something we know happens each year with flu epidemics.

Worldwide, there have only been 311 deaths out of 70,893 cases of swine flu. In the United States, 27,717 cases have resulted in 127 deaths. Every death is a tragedy, but such a low death rate should not be the basis of a draconian government policy.

It is helpful to recall that the Centers for Disease Control with the collusion of the media, constantly tell us that 36,000 people die from the flu each year, a figure that has been shown to be a lie. In this case, we are talking about 300 plus deaths for the entire world.

This virus continues to be an enigma for virologists. In the April 30, 2009 issue of Nature, a virologist was quoted as saying,“Where the hell it got all these genes from we don’t know.” Extensive analysis of the virus found that it contained the original 1918 H1N1 flu virus, the avian flu virus (bird flu), and two new H3N2 virus genes from Eurasia. Debate continues over the possibility that swine flu is a genetically engineered virus.

Naturally, vaccine manufacturers have been in a competitive battle to produce the first vaccine. The main contenders have been Baxter Pharmaceuticals and Novartis Pharmaceuticals, the latter of which recently acquired the scandal-ridden Chiron vaccine company. Both of these companies have had agreements with the World Health Organization to produce a pandemic vaccine.

The Baxter vaccine, called Celvapan, has had fast track approval. It uses a new vero cell technology, which utilizes cultured cells from the African green monkey. This same animal tissue transmits a number of vaccine-contaminating viruses, including the HIV virus.

The Baxter company has been associated with two deadly scandals. The first event occurred in 2006 when hemophiliac components were contaminated with HIV virus and injected in tens of thousands of people, including thousands of children. Baxter continued to release the HIV contaminated vaccine even after the contamination was known.

The second event occurred recently when it was discovered that Baxter had released a seasonal flu vaccine containing the bird flu virus, which would have produced a real world pandemic, to 18 countries. Fortunately, astute lab workers in the Czech Republic discovered the deadly combination and blew the whistle before a worldwide disaster was unleashed.

Despite these two deadly events, WHO maintains an agreement with Baxter Pharmaceuticals to produce the world’s pandemic vaccine.

Novartis, the second contender, also has an agreement with WHO for a pandemic vaccine. Novartis appears to have won the contract, since their vaccine is near completion. What is terrifying is that these pandemic vaccines contain ingredients, called immune adjuvants that a number of studies have shown cause devastating autoimmune disorders, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus.

Animal studies using this adjuvant have found them to be deadly. A study using 14 guinea pigs found that when they were injected with the special adjuvant, only one animal survived. A repeat of the study found the same deadly outcome.

So, what is this deadly ingredient? It is called squalene, a type of oil. The Chiron company, maker of the deadly anthrax vaccine, makes an adjuvant called MF-59 which contains two main ingredients of concern—squalene and gp120. A number of studies have shown that squalene can trigger all of the above-mentioned autoimmune diseases when injected.

The MF-59 adjuvant has been used in several vaccines. These vaccines, including tetanus and diphtheria, are the same vaccines frequently associated with adverse reactions.

I reviewed a number of studies on this adjuvant and found something quite interesting. Several studies done on human test subjects found MF-59 to be a very safe immune adjuvant. But when I checked to see who did these studies, I found—to no surprise—that they were done by the Novartis Pharmaceutical Company and Chiron Pharmaceutical Company, which have merged. They were all published in “prestigious” medical journals. Also, to no surprise, a great number of studies done by independent laboratories and research institutions all found a strong link between MF-59 and autoimmune diseases.

Squalene in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome. On August 1991, Anthony Principi, Secretary of Veterans Affairs admitted that soldiers vaccinated with the anthrax vaccine from 1990 to 1991 had an increased risk of 200 percent in developing the deadly disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also called Lou Gehrig’s disease. The soldiers also suffered from a number of debilitating and life-shortening diseases, such as polyarteritis nodosa, multiple sclerosis (MS), lupus, transverse myelitis (a neurological disorder caused by inflammation of the spinal cord), endocarditis (inflammation of the heart’s inner lining), optic neuritis with blindness and glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease).

The second ingredient, and one that greatly concerns me, is called gp120, a glycoprotein. Researchers found when it was mixed with squalene, the glycoprotein became strongly antigenic—that is, it produced a powerful and prolonged immune response to the vaccination. In fact, their studies show that with each dose, the intense immune reaction lasts over a year.

Now for the shocker—the glycoprotein-gp120, a major component of MF-59 vaccine adjuvant, is the same protein fragment isolated from the HIV virus that is responsible for the rapid dementia seen in AIDS patients.

Studies have shown that when gp120 is taken up by the microglia cells in the brain, it causes intense inflammation and makes the brain subject to excitotoxic damage—a process called immunoexcitotoxicity. This is also the cause of the MS and optic neuritis associated with vaccines that contain MF-59.

So, how would the gp120 get into the brain? Studies of other immune adjuvants using careful tracer techniques have shown that they routinely enter the brain following vaccination. What most people do not know, even the doctors who recommend the vaccines, is that most such studies by pharmaceutical companies observe the patients for only one to two weeks following vaccination—these types of reactions may take months or even years to manifest.

It is obvious that the vaccine manufacturers stand to make billions of dollars in profits from this WHO/government-promoted pandemic. Novartis, the maker of the new pandemic vaccine, recently announced that they would not give free vaccines to impoverished nations—everybody pays.

One must keep in mind that once the vaccine is injected, there is little you can do to protect yourself—at least by conventional medicine. It will mean a lifetime of crippling illness and early death.

There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet.

23 posted on 07/09/2009 10:18:18 PM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: ga medic

Almost two years ago in Lampasas Texas. It might not have been the HiB. It was the hepatitis B shot.

She had not been vaccinated for that because she was born in 1991. The shot wasn’t routine as part of the vaccination sequence until a couple of years later. (I do know my son got it and he was born in ‘93.) Because she was homeschooled, it had never come up.

I don’t have anything against vaccines, but I do have issues with not being told. As far as the new vaccine goes, I don’t want my kids to be at the vanguard.

There’s a reason one shouldn’t buy the first model year of a new car. All the problems come out when it is released to the public.


24 posted on 07/10/2009 5:30:42 AM PDT by Marie
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To: Marie

What happened with your daughter is unbelievable. I have no doubt it was against the law, and you have a case against them. WE have laws against this kind of thing, and I would have made a big deal out of it if my child had an immunization without my approval. BTW Hepatitis B is a series, I believe. Did they continue with the rest of the series too?

As for the first year vaccine, your analogy to a car is a little flawed. The flu is a season virus, and it mutates extremely rapidly. The flu vaccine for each year is different based upon which flu is expected to be prevalent. It changes each year. Waiting is not really an option. The vaccine is usually available in the fall. By the spring, the flu season is over, and a new vaccine must be created for the next year’s strain. You have to get the flu shot when it comes out in the fall, or you shouldn’t bother to get it at all.

I have to get a flu shot as a requirement of my job. Usually my kids get it too, but not always. I haven’t ever had a problem with the shot, and no one in my family has gotten the flu in at least 10 years.


25 posted on 07/10/2009 6:21:40 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: Marie
Why you didn't bring a suit against the school is beyond me. I would have had a lawsuit at the desk of the school superintendent the next morning.
26 posted on 07/10/2009 7:17:24 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Man50D
How the vaccine will work:


27 posted on 07/10/2009 7:20:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I don't believe anything anyone says about anything anymore.)
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To: Marie

Are you &%$* kidding?

I would sue the hell out of them and I hate our litigious society!


28 posted on 07/10/2009 8:17:46 AM PDT by stentorian conservative (I'm tired of being Johnny B. Goode and I'm gonna start being Johnny Reb.)
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To: stentorian conservative
They're showing you their endgame hand, don't think for a second they don't have an atrocity like this in them, otherwise your trust might very well be the death of you and your families.

If any FReepers think that this whole Swine Flu episode is even remotely rational, then I'm flabbergasted.

Be vigilant people, at best you're gonna be guinea pigs, or victims of genocide at worst if you take this vaccination.
29 posted on 07/13/2009 8:18:32 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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They're showing you their endgame hand, don't think for a second they don't have an atrocity like this in them, otherwise your trust might very well be the death of you and your families.

If any FReepers think that this whole Swine Flu episode is even remotely rational, then I'm flabbergasted.

Be vigilant people, at best you're gonna be guinea pigs, or victims of genocide at worst if you take this vaccination.
30 posted on 07/13/2009 8:19:20 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: Man50D
When health care, school, or other government officials tell you that the law requires your children to receive potentially harmful, or even lethal, vaccinations (such as Hepatitis B and others), they are lying to you. Anyone who is in a position to tell you that vaccinations are required also has in his/her desk drawer the government's formal waiver form. They are required by law to lie to you and try everything to coerce you into vaccinating your children; but to allow them to do so is a violation of your civil and religious liberties. The following form is even better than the official government form, and sets forth legal reasons for you to refuse to allow your children to be vaccinated. Feel free to copy this form and reformat it as necessary for your use.

Vaccine Exemption Forms Online - by State or Country



And I'd like to know why there's a vaccination for Chicken Pox?
31 posted on 07/27/2009 12:35:51 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree and think 25 to life would be appropriate.)
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To: dawn53

-————Didn’t we have a swine flu vaccine last go where the cure was worse than the disease???-—————

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/03/dayintech_0324

Dunno if your question has already been answered, haven’t read through the rest of the posts yet.


32 posted on 07/29/2009 3:51:51 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Was General Cronkite the most powerful man who ever lived?)
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To: Man50D

“There was a swine flu outbreak in 1976. One died from the flu and 20 died from the vaccine.”

Pandemic! Pandemic! (Running in circles waving arms)


33 posted on 07/29/2009 8:05:16 PM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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