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Report: Bush surveillance program was massive
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/10/09 | Pamela Hess - ap

Posted on 07/10/2009 5:12:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal inspectors general reported Friday, questioning the legal basis for the effort but shielding almost all details on grounds they're still too secret to reveal.

The report, compiled by five inspectors general, refers to "unprecedented collection activities" by U.S. intelligence agencies under an executive order signed by President George W. Bush after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the IGs pointedly say that any continued use of the secret programs must be "carefully monitored."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; counterterrorism; fisa; massive; surveillance
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1 posted on 07/10/2009 5:12:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the IGs pointedly say that any continued use of the secret programs must be "carefully monitored."

It was just terrible I tell you, but we can still do it.

2 posted on 07/10/2009 5:14:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (_Resident of the United States and Kenya's favorite son, Baraaaack Hussein Obamaaaa...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Kept us safe for years.


3 posted on 07/10/2009 5:15:01 PM PDT by doc1019 (Sarah in 2012, our only hope.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bush’s surveillance program may have been massive, but you ain’t seen nothing yet. And, the motivation will be quite different.


4 posted on 07/10/2009 5:16:55 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: NormsRevenge

2 Points.

#1 - No more attacks in the US.

#2 - How many US citizens have been prosecuted for crimes OTHER than terrorist related acivities due to these programs?


5 posted on 07/10/2009 5:17:03 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: doc1019
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

--Benjamin Franklin

6 posted on 07/10/2009 5:18:18 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Two Ravens

Just say’n ;-)


7 posted on 07/10/2009 5:19:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (Sarah in 2012, our only hope.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This probably explains why we never had the promised 09-11-01 II while President Bush was in office.


8 posted on 07/10/2009 5:20:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: NormsRevenge

So then are we to assume that Obama is not using the same techniques? or he is only because its Obama its OK?


9 posted on 07/10/2009 5:21:08 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (CBO reports that OBAMANOMICS = FAIL)
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To: doc1019

This is being made public now for the following reason: Nobama’s poll numbers have been tanking, so it’s time to drag Big Bad Bush out of the closet so The Kenyan can demonize him - again. The political game that is being played with our national security is astounding. And, disgraceful as well.


10 posted on 07/10/2009 5:24:02 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: NormsRevenge

This is nothing new. We already knew all about this. What we are seeing here is just the drive-by digging up a corpes and dragging it around the courthouse square to divert attention from zero’s meltdown economy. It’s all kabuki theater. Makes me want to puke.


11 posted on 07/10/2009 5:24:24 PM PDT by davetex (If it's in stock, we've got it.)
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To: joejm65

Beat me by 22 seconds. You are spot on.


12 posted on 07/10/2009 5:26:08 PM PDT by davetex (If it's in stock, we've got it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Okay.

He kept us safe for nearly 8 long years, regardless of the democrats efforts to undermine the war and our own country.


13 posted on 07/10/2009 5:26:58 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: joejm65

This is being made public now for the following reason: Nobama’s poll numbers have been tanking, so it’s time to drag Big Bad Bush out of the closet so The Kenyan can demonize him - again. The political game that is being played with our national security is astounding. And, disgraceful as well.

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Indeed! And have you noticed the lazy Southern drawl is back at times?

Anyway, didn’t Obama decide to continue this surveillance?


14 posted on 07/10/2009 5:29:45 PM PDT by JavaJumpy (Go get 'em, Sarah! http://www.howobamagotelected.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thank God for President Bush....He did the job he was supposed to do....COMMANDER IN CHIEF means you do what you gotta do!!


15 posted on 07/10/2009 5:30:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Two Ravens

Wrong context.

so you have been on freepr since Feb of this year...and have no qualms about Obama’s destruction on a massive scale of our society...yet use this quote in relation to Bush?

TROLL lurking.


16 posted on 07/10/2009 5:31:46 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Boola boola boola Bush, the boogey man.


17 posted on 07/10/2009 5:33:00 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: NormsRevenge
I will say this...a year ago I used to go to bed at night knowing there were a great many people out there doing stuff I was NEVER going to know about...and I slept better because of it.

Now, not so much...

18 posted on 07/10/2009 5:36:05 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: joejm65

I guess they finally decided that Nixon was really dead, they kept dragging him out of his grave when convenient, now it’s Bush.


19 posted on 07/10/2009 5:36:52 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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McClatchy takes a shot at it..

Report: Effectiveness of Bush wiretap program in dispute

20 posted on 07/10/2009 5:38:56 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: Bryan24

“2 Points.

#1 - No more attacks in the US.

#2 - How many US citizens have been prosecuted for crimes OTHER than terrorist related acivities due to these programs?
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Excellent points..


21 posted on 07/10/2009 5:41:46 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: NormsRevenge

Gentlemen don’t read other people’s mail, but since you have already, what did they write?


22 posted on 07/10/2009 5:42:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Two Ravens

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
—Benjamin Franklin
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Do you suppose they had jihadists capable of delivering dirty nukes back then? Just askin’...


23 posted on 07/10/2009 5:42:55 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: Typical_Whitey

So then are we to assume that Obama is not using the same techniques? or he is only because its Obama its OK?
++++++++++++++++

Another great question for the freakin’ hypocrites...


24 posted on 07/10/2009 5:44:15 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: NormsRevenge

They had to get Bush back in the headlines now that O’s polls are slipping! The way the media is covering for the recent G8 ogling photo is disgusting.


25 posted on 07/10/2009 5:50:33 PM PDT by 38special (I mean come on.)
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To: SeattleBruce
Modernists love to cite contemporary reasons as to why every one of our founding principles are no longer relevant. But those principles will always apply
26 posted on 07/10/2009 6:00:48 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Two Ravens

I doubt Ben would apply that to our enemies. But a lefty would.


27 posted on 07/10/2009 6:02:40 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Bryan24

“#2 - How many US citizens have been prosecuted for crimes OTHER than terrorist related activities due to these programs?”

There you go - introducing logic. You might as well sprinkle holy water on a vampire as confront a liberal with logic...


28 posted on 07/10/2009 6:03:21 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Do two ravens make a right? Nah...didn’t think so!


29 posted on 07/10/2009 6:04:12 PM PDT by ltrman61
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To: 38special

Ergo, BO is free to sniff teenage butt.


30 posted on 07/10/2009 6:04:15 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: ltrman61

I agree with your assessment.


31 posted on 07/10/2009 6:05:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I doubt Ben would apply that to our enemies. But a lefty would.

There were real dangers aplenty when Franklin made that quote, and he was certainly aware of them. Foundational principles don't change

32 posted on 07/10/2009 6:10:09 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Two Ravens

That doesn’t address my statement.


33 posted on 07/10/2009 6:14:42 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: 38special
They had to get Bush back in the headlines now that O’s polls are slipping! The way the media is covering for the recent G8 ogling photo is disgusting.

They even had a pic of W with his arms stretched out posted on Yahoo Mail all day...gee, you'd think with Barry and his bride visiting the Pope and all.
34 posted on 07/10/2009 6:19:08 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: DJ MacWoW
That doesn’t address my statement.

I posted the Franklin quote to apply founding conservative wisdom to the case of a modern liberal president (Bush). Your personal views concerning "lefties" are off topic and of no interest to me.

35 posted on 07/10/2009 6:19:32 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Bryan24
How many US citizens have been prosecuted for crimes OTHER than terrorist related acivities due to these programs?

Come to think of it....people in my neighborhood disappeared regularly during Bush's evil reign!
36 posted on 07/10/2009 6:25:40 PM PDT by roses of sharon (It is not actual suffering but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Hoffer)
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To: DoughtyOne

These apparently are not the IGs who have been fired for not playing along with the Democrats.


37 posted on 07/10/2009 6:26:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Democrats have returned to their game of supporting totalitarian regimes. Now they're muslim.)
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To: Two Ravens

What liberty has anyone given up?


38 posted on 07/10/2009 6:27:27 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Democrats have returned to their game of supporting totalitarian regimes. Now they're muslim.)
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To: Two Ravens
I posted the Franklin quote to apply founding conservative wisdom to the case of a modern liberal president (Bush). Your personal views concerning "lefties" are off topic and of no interest to me.

And you are dodging. I said, I doubt Ben would have applied that statement to our enemies. But a lefty would. You've danced but not addressed what I said.

39 posted on 07/10/2009 6:28:21 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: NormsRevenge

No terrorist attacks after 911 in the United States.

Nuff said.


40 posted on 07/10/2009 6:30:03 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: NormsRevenge

If it kept innocent American citizens from being murdered, I don’t care if they found out every single thing about me.


41 posted on 07/10/2009 6:30:21 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Democrats have returned to their game of supporting totalitarian regimes. Now they're muslim.)
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To: Two Ravens

Benjamin Franklin wsnt dealing with people flying airplanes into buildings and killing 3,000 people.


42 posted on 07/10/2009 6:31:19 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: DJ MacWoW
And you are dodging. I said, I doubt Ben would have applied that statement to our enemies.

"Our enemies" existed when Franklin made his statement, and what he said applies now the same as when he spoke. It's not complicated.

43 posted on 07/10/2009 6:33:02 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Two Ravens
So you think that Ben wouldn't spy on our enemies?

You're either a nut or a troll.

44 posted on 07/10/2009 6:34:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Venturer
Benjamin Franklin wsnt dealing with people flying airplanes into buildings and killing 3,000 people.

That is precisely the sort of moral relativism that has lead to the trashing of our Constitutional principles in almost every regard.

45 posted on 07/10/2009 6:35:22 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: NormsRevenge
Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe.

God bless President Bush and our brave troops.

46 posted on 07/10/2009 6:36:38 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Venturer; Two Ravens
Benjamin Franklin wsnt dealing with people flying airplanes into buildings and killing 3,000 people.

Franklin was referring to our own citizens and not enemies of our country. A fact that seems to have slipped by the noob.

47 posted on 07/10/2009 6:37:33 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Two Ravens
What is your solution for the evil terrorists living among us? How do you expect us to know what they are doing? The only goal of the government is to protect us from domestic and foreign enemies and that is what President Bush had done for the last eight years.

God bless President Bush and our brave troops.

48 posted on 07/10/2009 6:40:46 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Two Ravens
I suppose you agree with reading terrorists "their" Miranda rights too.

The quote from Franklin was referring to our own citizens and not terrorists.

49 posted on 07/10/2009 6:42:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
So you think that Ben wouldn't spy on our enemies?

Franklin would have never approved of eavesdropping on American citizens inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying.

50 posted on 07/10/2009 6:42:46 PM PDT by Two Ravens
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