Posted on 07/11/2009 7:43:38 AM PDT by Publius
“He suggests they simply expropriate his mills, and they recoil in horror. He asks how he can produce if he produces at a loss; Ferris says he will produce because he cant help himself. Jim says that Hank will do something to fix the problem and the last piece fits. Francisco was right he is the guiltiest man in the room because he had accepted the reality that these men had created.”
My co-workers (colleagues and management) are fully aware of my world view as I make no effort to hide it (monogamous heterosexual evangelical Christian). I dont smack them in the face with sanctimonious ravings, but they have no doubt where I stand. As for my work product, they are counting on the fact that I simply cannot coast; I have be engaged and productive even if they do not value my contributions I will continue to produce as they withdraw their support.
But more interesting is their behavior regarding things outside my work product. They think of me (and have told me to my face) that my orthodox Christianity is creepy and intolerant, and that anyone who does not abide by an existentialist, hedonistic lifestyle or is a Darwin skeptic is retarded. Yet I have encountered numerous instances when one of them softly knocks on my office door, asking to come in and receive my counsel when they need someone honest and genuinely caring to listen and help them solve a problem in their lives.
Further, my coworkers know that I am a 2nd Amendment absolutist, I own and shoot guns, and even worse, Im a preparedness end of the world nut!
Here comes the truly fascinating part: they expect my own faith and honor to be their ace in the hole! Of course my preparations for coming hard times is nutty and proof of my paranoia. But, they have also made it known (quietly) that when the Schumer Hits the Fan, they will come to my house and expect me to take them in and care for them because in their demented minds how could I do anything else as a Christian ? Implicit is their idea that You have to do the right thing. Your beliefs command you to take care of me.
Wow, are they in for a surprise. As I told one of them, “So you ridicule my beliefs even as you expect them to cause me to bail your behind out?”
I remember being at a Winter Party (pagans do not celebrate Christmas and have no difficulty insulting or offending those who do) in December 1999. One of the higher-ups breezed into the room and invaded my conversational group, kvetching about Y2K. She asked me if I was ready. Since as a matter of practice we have a freezer and larder full of food, my generator is in working order with a good supply of fuel, and my security devices are nearby and ready to employ, sure I was ready for a couple months if necessary.
Oh, if things get really bad, can I come to your house? she asked breathlessly.
Sweetly I replied that if she was unprepared for disruption, she would be on her own out in the street with everyone else.
I suspect the look on her face was similar to that on the looters in the Wayne Falkland Hotel that evening with Hank.
There was a labor confernce recently where SEIU crashed the gate and attacked the attendees. People were injured and one person suffered a heart attack. And this was against their “union bretheran”! The local county home care workers held an election here in Fresno to decide if SEIU or a breakaway union would reperesent the workers. There were accusations of intimidation and threats of violence made by SEIU against workers.
Your mistake is in letting people who you have no intention of saving from their own stupidity know you have adequate SHTF resources. Loose lips sink ships. It’s best to let them think you’ll be just as up a creek as them. It’ll be bad enough to help your loved ones out.
This is again an example of the trap Rand set for herself. Of all the industries taken over by government, steel is treated as the first one in which physical violence was needed. Considering the animosity expressed by Jeff Allen, the tramp from Twentieth Century Motors, one expects some serious violence in such a situation. Greed was the motive for the Starnes’ actions. They suffered no losses when they wrecked the wages of their employees. Iris Starnes, in particular, got to personally destroy anyone she didn’t like, which was everyone.
So where were the riots? Rearden suspects that something strange is happening when he is confronted by his family and by the various looters, but he can’t see what it is. This is hard to believe. With all of the companies and industries that failed around the world, no one expressed his anger with violence after a Paul Larkin ended thier careers.
Rand also demonstrates that while she spent plenty of hours researching steel and railroads, she learned whatever she knew about firearms from watching silly cowboy movies. Francisco D’Anconia seems not to have mastered rifles. Odd.
The story in this part is the predictable outcome of the events. Rand is using the characters she created to illustrate between good intentions and Hell. Her focus is on a single story arc, which defines good story telling, but it opens itself to criticism for the appearance of deus ex machina.
Exactly. My dad, while not exactly a government-o-phile, thinks that business will screw everyone all the time if not adequately regulated, and that government should be regulating them more, but are too corrupt to do so (I guess you could call this the "RIAA Paradigm"). I ask him if it makes sense to him that people in government, many of whom have never worked in a given industry, would be the most likely to make the best decisions about how that industry should be run, but I don't seem to be making any headway. I mean, if you were really good at something, wouldn't you go do that thing, rather than look for a position where you have to try to tell others less talented and intelligent than yourself, how to do it??? If I were in a position like that I'd be bald in a day, and quit in frustrated rage in a week.
Thanks for all the work on these threads.
Thanks for all your work on these threads!
I was driving south on I-95 this afternoon between Savannah and Brunswick, GA (didn’t note the mile marker, unfortunately), and saw a very visible billboard asking this question:
“WHO IS JOHN GALT?”
There were no other words visible on the billboard.
Offhand, I’d say that the word is getting out.
Relatively speaking, it won’t be long now before the Obama administration and the Democrat Congress pi$$ off enough people to force a “shift,” shall we say, in the direction of the US government.
Obozo is at -8 on the approval/disapproval scale now. I wonder what the tipping point will be?
I cannardly wait! For the tipping point, that is.
It will be interesting!
Wish you had a camera with you for that billboard!
A glaring parallel with Jim Taggert's outburst with the violent destruction of an antique vase (the value of which could have fed a family for a year) in the previous chapter is enlightening. Jim and Lillian are mental twins.
Oh, nice observation! I wouldn’t steal it, of course, but that Publius feller, why, you never know... ;-)
This is a concrete action by Rearden that demonstrates Rands 'check your premises' advice. I am aware there are many other such instances in the book but this one stands out in my opinion. Perhaps because it took him such a long time to come to the realization of his true situation.
Thanks for bringing this up as a topic of discussion. It begs a deeper question that has bothered me from the beginning of the novel.
Rand seems to imply that only the top producers are capable of 'finding a way' to produce under adverse circumstances. From my observations, this is way off the mark, there are many people who, while not being a top producer, will find a way to be productive in an adverse environment.
The importance of this is most obvious when viewing the world of Atlas Shrugged with our present world conjointly.
The meeting in which this conversation takes place is toward the end of a long destructive feeding frenzy hosted by the looters. There are few crumbs left (not that Rearden is a crumb, mind you :) and Rearden is one of the last to be targeted. In our world, however, the people who can be productive in adverse situations is seemingly unlimited. This changes the dynamics and the toughest crumbs will never be sought out. There are far too many easy targets. Though I agree with Rands take on 'the guiltiest man in the room' idea, I submit that those who would provide sustenance to the Looters are 'the guiltiest people in the nation'. As to the problem of the latter group having a simultaneous epiphany, well, it just won't happen.
Went by so fast I didn’t have a chance. Next time, I’ll get a picture.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, MOVE in Philadelphia, and recent headlines read - 'More than 400 children have been rescued from a polygamist sect on a remote Texas ranch'.
While not necessarily complicit, the willingness of some law enforcement to endanger entire families in order to go after criminals is obvious. No knock warrants undeniably endanger immediate family members.
Is the movie scheduled to come out soon? This is exactly how Hollywood would hype a movie in advance.
(Private FReepmail on the way to whodathunkit.)
LOL!
On that note, we can look at history. Even in harsh systems with slavery, humans built the pyramids, the Taj Mahal, Notre Dame. How did it work? IMHO, it worked because people still believed in a God or Gods, in allegiance to a King (who was God on Earth). In other words, there was some motivation for them to continue. Those who design such creations, were often members of a noble class, thus they had greater freedom.
What I think Rand is describing the world of the old Soviet Union, or China during Mao. Or the more modern society of North Korea. In those times, the "Group" was all, and those societies produced nothing that they didn't steal first.
What Rand is saying is that when the "People" become predominant in a person's mind, the motivation of the human spirit dies. The drive to be creative is squashed by the overwhelming power of the group mind. You will do as you are told and what has been planned for you. As this death of motivation spreads, all progress will stop.
This is the danger our current society faces. From our leaders (you know the names) who extol us to "give back to the community", who plan how to control every aspect of your life from what temperature you can keep your home to what food you are allowed to eat, to when you allowed to have children. Progress may not stop entirely, but it could slow to an imperceptible level. A new Dark Age is never out of the question. That is what Rand is warning us about.
I agree that...
Our real world will never follow AS exactly, but parts might.
There are many people commenting on the similarities of AS with current events. I find myself trying to discover a practicable solution in Rand's writing but so far I have come up short. The only option I can see so far is to practice Objectivism on a personal level and demonstrate to others that it is possible to live an enjoyable, moral life.
Progress may not stop entirely, but it could slow to an imperceptible level. A new Dark Age is never out of the question. That is what Rand is warning us about.
Again I agree, that is why I wanted to compare AS with the real world. For us, unfortunately, there is no end in sight, be it Looters or Gulchers, just a never ending slug fest. I fear we will easily go beyond 1100 pages!
We see this happening in banana republics regularly. Zimbabwe & Venezuela come to mind most quickly. Leftists simply cannot comprehend the concept that a nations wealth comes only partially from the natural resources. The second piece of the puzzle is the people who manage what resources they have at their disposal. No, they seize the resources, run out the successful people who they don't outright kill, then divid the spoils to their supporters. But the supporters didn't work for the wealth, didn't develop it, don't appreciate the value of it, and so they squander it.
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