Skip to comments.Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu
Posted on 07/11/2009 8:04:25 AM PDT by kellynla
An outbreak of swine flu occurred in Mexico this spring that eventually affected 4,910 Mexican citizens and resulted in 85 deaths. By the time it spread to the United States, the virus caused only mild cases of flu-like illness.
Thanks to air travel and the failure of public health officials to control travel from Mexico, the virus spread worldwide. Despite predictions of massive numbers of deaths and the arrival of doomsday, the virus has remained a relatively mild disease, something we know happens each year with flu epidemics.
Worldwide, there have only been 311 deaths out of 70,893 cases of swine flu. In the United States, 27,717 cases have resulted in 127 deaths. Every death is a tragedy, but such a low death rate should not be the basis of a draconian government policy.
It is helpful to recall that the Centers for Disease Control with the collusion of the media, constantly tell us that 36,000 people die from the flu each year, a figure that has been shown to be a lie. In this case, we are talking about 300 plus deaths for the entire world.
This virus continues to be an enigma for virologists. In the April 30, 2009 issue of Nature, a virologist was quoted as saying,Where the hell it got all these genes from we dont know. Extensive analysis of the virus found that it contained the original 1918 H1N1 flu virus, the avian flu virus (bird flu), and two new H3N2 virus genes from Eurasia. Debate continues over the possibility that swine flu is a genetically engineered virus.
Naturally, vaccine manufacturers have been in a competitive battle to produce the first vaccine. The main contenders have been Baxter Pharmaceuticals and Novartis Pharmaceuticals, the latter of which recently acquired the scandal-ridden Chiron vaccine company.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
There are much safer ways to protect oneself from this flu virus, such as higher doses of vitamin D3, selective immune enhancement using supplements, and a good diet."
And always remember what your mother used to say, "WASH YOUR HANDS!"
I have no intention of getting this vaccine.
Never forget we live in Obamaworld now. Anything they say is “for our own good” should be avoided like the plague.
I decided right then and there that I would never get any flu shot and neither has my wife or our children. Guess what? None of us have ever got the flu either (praise the Lord!). We still get a cold or allergy problems once in a while, but we try to eat right, wash our hands often when the flu is going around, and take general precautions, and so far it has worked.
I never felt that a vaccine made from last year's flu strain was any sure proof against the current year's flu anyway, so I am not willing to take the chance of being injected with a tainted vaccine. I'd rather deal with the flu (on the off-chance I would even get it). I just don't trust flu shots.
Tamaflu works well. I got the flu this past year, but had a very short run because I was in tuned enough to the aches and pains to know I was coming down with it. Went to the doctor, test came back negative, but he gave me a Rx for Tamaflu anyway - just in case it was incubating. I got it filled. Sure enough, 2 days later, I had a full-blown case. Took the Tamaflu - pretty much over it 2 days later. Great stuff!! Won’t take any vaccines feds recommend. Doctor recommended maybe, but not feds.
Ten years ago I would get colds, flu, back strains, all of the “normal” maladies.
After 10 year with full vitamin and mineral regimen, NO COLDS, NO FLU, heal quickly after sprains and strains, plusmore energy, etc.
Unless I break a leg, have rare disease, or need a coroner, I will continue to READ THE MEDICAL JOURNALS.........and treat myself......leave me alone Barry!
And what's the worse than can happen if you “catch the flu”...you're ill for a week to ten days as opposed to getting “immunized” and possibly winding up like your friend...”confined to a wheel chair till his death!”
How sad! Sounds like Guillain-Barré syndrome:
All I know is that none of our family have received any flu shots over the years and none of us have come down with the flu, either.
But instead of all the vitamins etc. I just made sure to go out once a month to a good prime rib dinner and a whiskey.
No problems for the last 10 years.
They don't make it from last years flu. Despite what so many on FR think doctors are neither fools nor evil.
Never said they were. I've heard reported stories on both radio and television that indicate that the flu shot you get this year is derived from the strain of the virus that everyone else caught last year. While that may or may not be true, I've never even once heard that a current flu shot was available that was specifically made to protect against the current strain of flu going around. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. Either way, I haven't had a flu shot at any time in my adult life (I may have had one when my parents made me get one) and I don't get the flu. Neither do my wife or children.
Unlike a lot of other people, Russell Blaylock seems to be a credible voice.
So we’re basically between a rock and a hard place. You have to weigh whether you think the swine flu is more dangerous, or whether you think the vaccine is more dangerous.
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For JLLH (and anyone else) — here’s some information about this - Tamiflu. You might take note of the “resistance” that they mention in the article, and also, I’m not sure about the effectiveness for the H1N1 virus, as I haven’t had the time to look at that yet. It may or may not be effective.
Neither have I taken it. I just heard about it, mentioned by another FReeper who said they had taken it. I just thought I would pass it on to anyone interested. It does sound like it might be something worthwhile for some FReepers to consider (of course, hopefully not having an allergic reaction to it, like you did...).
I have had one flu shot in my life and that was the only year that I have gotten the flu. I felt like death warmed over, I told my husband that I was going to lay down and for him to check on me in an hour to see if I was still alive. He woke me later and I had a temp of just over 104 degrees. He spent the day with me trying to get the temp down, at one point carrying me up the stairs to put me in a tub of cool water. I barely remember those 2 days, I am lucky I didn’t have lasting effects from it.
I do however worry about one of my sons. He has allergies and asthma and will catch any bug within 50 miles. Not sure where he got them, neither my husbands family or mine have any allergies or asthma history. None of the other 5 hardly get even the sniffles.
Thanks for the info. Knowledge is always a good thing. I was grateful for the drug, however, as it got me well in no time flat (and prevented my high fever from spiking even higher and forcing me into the ER).
Something else about Tamiflu...
Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 1
Viruses resistant to oseltamivir (Tamiflu) identified
8 JULY 2009 | GENEVA — WHO has been informed by health authorities in Denmark, Japan and the Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong, China of the appearance of H1N1 viruses which are resistant to the antiviral drug oseltamivir (known as Tamiflu) based on laboratory testing.
These viruses were found in three patients who did not have severe disease and all have recovered. Investigations have not found the resistant virus in the close contacts of these three people. The viruses, while resistant to oseltamivir, remain sensitive to zanamivir.
Close to 1000 pandemic H1N1 viruses have been evaluated by the laboratories in the Global Influenza Surveillance Network for antiviral drug resistance. All other viruses have been shown sensitive to both oseltamivir and zanamivir. WHO and its partners will continue to conduct ongoing monitoring of influenza viruses for antiviral drug resistance.
Therefore, based on current information, these instances of drug resistance appear to represent sporadic cases of resistance. At this time, there is no evidence to indicate the development of widespread antiviral resistance among pandemic H1N1 viruses. Based on this risk assessment, there are no changes in WHO’s clinical treatment guidance. Antiviral drugs remain a key component of the public health response when used as recommended.
I lived through many flu outbreaks over the last 60 years...got a bug...lived through it..no big deal...
then 10 years ago my company gave us free flu shots....
thanks to the shot I have guillain barre syndrome and am a near cripple for 10 years.
no more vaccines for me or my family unless its for a life threatening immediate outbreak.
Right with you. Nearly 50 and have lived through several flu outbreaks. EVERY time I got a flu shot, I got sick as hell. When I don’t get the shot, I might get a case, but it’s bearable. Back in the 70’s during the swine flu outbreak, more people died from the vaccine that the flu itself.
MAN! I am sorry to hear that!
well, I've only had one inoculation since I was discharged from the Marine Corps and I got the flu after receiving the shot so I don't get ‘em any more...
FTA: “Baxter had released a seasonal flu vaccine containing the bird flu virus, which would have produced a real world pandemic, to 18 countries. Fortunately, astute lab workers in the Czech Republic discovered the deadly combination and blew the whistle before a worldwide disaster was unleashed.”
FTA: “Despite these two deadly events, WHO maintains an agreement with Baxter Pharmaceuticals to produce the worlds pandemic vaccine.”
Super mega damn.
And then you hear people just get the flu anyway. I’ll take my chances with the flu.
I found an article regarding lavender oil, three drops rubbed into each foot. Apparently years ago when the bubonic plague killed so many in Europe, one city where they manufactured lavender oil, nobody got sick. I’m going to get some and rub it on my hands as well. I wash my hands a lot.
I don’t either and I refuse them, as does my husband. He and I havenever had the flu and my doctors keep hammering me about it. I won’t do it. You don’t know what’s in the vaccine or how many children’s lives have already been affected.
Doctors don’t know what’s in half the stuff they give us. I’d feel better if more of them researched the contents. The evil ones are the pharmaceutical companies.
Wow, Vaquero, I’m so sorry to hear that. Just one more reason for us to avoid these shots. Thank you for letting us know. I pray you will recover!
My husband always refuses them. He tells the doctor he doesn’t want to catch the flu.
My husband always refuses them. He tells the doctor he doesn’t want to catch the flu.
“I just don’t trust flu shots.”
I don’t either, I barely survived the Hong Kong flu in 1968 at the age of twenty four. It was much worse than this flu seems to be. Since then I have not had a vaccination and I don’t think I have had the flu even though I have had a couple of short illnesses that gave me MILD flu-like symptoms. I don’t ever intend to take another flu shot.
The bubonic plague was carried by FLEAS -
fleas don't like lavender.
And then, there's the "Three Thieves Vinegar" -
Seems there were 3 thieves that would rob the dead and yet, never came down sick.
They were caught and offered immunity if they would tell their secret. Turns out, they splashed on a mix of vinegar with garlic, wormwood, and sage ...
Keeping the fleas at bay may not do much good in avoiding the flu bug. ;o)
Makes one wonder, especially regarding the nasal spray with the live virus, if this isn’t deliberate to spread the flu widely.
If so, it may be only for profit motives - many in DC, including the obamamama, bought early stock in the vaccine, even before it was developed. The more that’s used, the more money for the stockholders.
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